Reply #17: I will 3rd party this as to not make it a personal attack [View All]

[Megawatt]

But some of the hyperbole on DU is just so over the top.

I would suggest that people who really believe that a new Hitler is in power and has stolen 2 elections are on the moral equivalency of the good Germans in the 1930s. Why do I say that? Because if people really believe the above nonsense - why are they wasting time posting on an internet bulletin board instead of being part of an armed insurgency against said fascists? I would suggest it would be a lack of moral courage and unwillingness to risk your comfortable lifestyles. Read what the signers of the Declaration of Independence put on the line when they went up against the regime - by force of arms.

I know for a fact that if I really believed Nazi's had stolen 2 elections - I would part of or instigate whatever violent movement was needed.

American government and political policy can be compared to a huge ocean liner. The inertia insures that the most it can be steered is 10 degrees right or left. When Bush starts injecting dye into brown eyed children to see if he can make them blue, then you can believe we have a new Hitler. So far he has lowered the marginal income tax 2% lower than what you would like it and started an unpopular war - which in regard to popularity is like every other war in our history except WWII - unpopular with a good segment of the populace. Read a little history on the first war after our revolution - the New England states almost seceded rather than be part of a new war against the Brits.I also told my conservative friends at work that the country would survive John Kerry - when democrats run a billionaire that wants to confiscate people's assets in excess of $1 million dollars - then we are probably on the road to true revolutionary change anything else is just the ocean liner steering 10 degrees right or left.

The body politic is self correcting - the neocons day is passing. I doubt one could even secure the nomination after 4 more years of treasure and lives spent on what now being touted by the neo-cons as a Wilsonian inspired jihad to bring democracy to the planet (whether that is the real reason isn't important - thats what is being sold)-- Well guess what - most real conservatives don't believe in that crap(interfering in foreign affairs for any reason but true self defense/self interest) and most liberals don't believe that is the motivation. So like I said the neo con movement is on the downslide IMO.

Well I've got my flame suit on and my walking boots since I'm sure it's apparent I'm not a progressive democrat - I am someone who's sick of the neo con foreign policy, and someone who would like to see politicians working for us instead of corporations.

Republicans can probably hold power for a generation and do whatever they want with social policy - since those issues never really mattered to me - here is how you can get back to at least a divided goverment , which based on the 90s seems to work better than what we have now.

Run someone who is going to put our economy first--

Start controlling our border. Instead of an unlimited supply of illegal immigrant labor willing to work at $4 an hour, make the meathouses and other corporations figure out that if you pay $15 an hour American citizens WILL do those types of jobs. The larger the supply of labor the greater the downward pressure on wages - rule #1 of economics. American citizens will bus restaurants, wash dishes etc for livable wages - happens all the time in state like North Dakota. You just have to pay a decent wage. There is no such thing as a job an American won't do - just jobs that Americans won't do at the prevailing wages corporations and rich white Los Angelenos on the west side want to pay their gardeners. If there are jobs citizens won't do - said rich white Americans can learn to cut their damn grass themselves.

Secondly run someone willing to back out of all this free trade. If a country doesn't pay its manufacturing base comparable wages to what we pay ours - then corporations can't import goods from said country. Rebuild what has been the best source of good paying jobs through our history - manufacturing. American elites didn't give a rats ass when the steel mills in Youngstown started closing in the 70s, in fact they welcomed the disappearance of those noisy polluting smokestacks. Now suddenly its a crisis when it's computer programming jobs going overseas. Find a way to re-connect with Joe six pack - the guy that doesn't want to go to college, doesn't want to program computers, doesn't want to write articles for Move On - just a guy that wants a good paying job. Run someone who promises to stop trading with China and other 3rd world sweat shops, someone with the balls to do that - and enforce our border, and he will win 60% of the vote. That person could have a D or an R after his name. If it's a D , I suspect that person will be more likely to fund social programs, stay out of our bedrooms etc - all of which can be the by product of a revived manufacturing based economy. Or we can go the way wer'e going - laying to waste our manufacturing base, outsourcing everything we can and making sure that the service jobs left over are manned by a labor pool supply that is so much greater than demand that the prevailing wage becomes $5. The race to the bottom can be turned around but its not going to be unless some party gets the message.

Ok , its probably apparent that I'm not a progressive democrat, I'm conservative but just disillusioned with the neo cons so I'm sure I will be locked out, I do want to say that everyone has been very gracious to me here. But back to my original point - the hyperbole about Bush here is not backed up by ANYONE'S actions - so therefore I conclude that either moral courage is lacking or the melodramatic hyperbole is not really believed by those spouting it.