Reply #11: ok, so at least you see what I was saying [View All]

[Cocoa]

that's a start.

But then you go on to say this:

Arrogant groupthink pervade these discussions. The voters are viewed as some kind of different species, separate and distinct from the Diebolders. Many times voters are discussed in the condescending and/or disparaging terms the technically proficient reserve for clueless users. Users are the great brainless, unwashed masses who are at best pitied, and at worst held in contempt.

This might be a place where you would provide examples. The example you did provide is exactly the quote I excerpted in the other thread, as evidence of exactly the opposite of what you're saying.

Yes, the overwhelming portrait of Diebold is basically an evil company, but I've just presented counter-evidence to this. And to answer the counter-evidence you just state an impression without the examples.

I don't doubt that you can find examples that could be interpreted as arrogance. As someone in the computer field, I can tell you that it's a huge part of the field. There's even an SNL character that personifies this attitude.

But BBV is not that Diebold is arrogant, BBV is that there is proof that crimes were committed, so I don't see the point in discussing Diebold's arrogance.

And to tell you the truth, they don't seem overly arrogant to me. Not just the excerpt I posted, but overall.