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[Kelvin Mace]

since I was addressing the questions you raised.

but I've just presented counter-evidence to this. And to answer the counter-evidence you just state an impression without the examples.

I was presenting an observation, not an impression. As to providing examples, I did not feel that it was necessary to establish my credibility on each such observation.

But, since you insist:

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Here we find posted a joke ridiculing the elderly, Cuban-Americans (described as "banana boat bums") who are told to "learn freakin' English."

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/salestalk.w3archive/200011/msg00002.html


"Is there a way to have a "demonstration loop" that does not allow a user to "go back too far" and end up outside the demonstration area? Something really simple and idiot-proof."

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/rcr.w3archive/200205/msg00025.html


"I've threatened to put a password on the .mdb before when dealers/customers/support have done stupid things with the GEMS database structure using Access."

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/support.w3archive/200110/msg00122.html


"I just hope that the actual voters in PA are as stupid as the people giving us this information on how to vote, so they are not confused."

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/rcr.w3archive/200005/msg00043.html


"The suggestion, from Duval County, is that the on a two sided ballot, it would be nice to reject a ballot that was not voted on one side or the other, presumably inserted by the ignorant, uninformed, or elderly voter, that only voted one side of the ballot."

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/support.w3archive/200110/msg00099.html


"We have too many politicians in Maryland. Their job, in their opinion, is challenge whether or not the sky is blue. Once they have enough excitement over the debate, they request money to create a new government agency to study the issue."

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/bugtrack.w3archive/200206/msg00000.html

Here they are defending TS voting machines:

"Isn't the county full of senior voters?Social Security and Medicare are big issues there, right?Is the county all retirement communities?Is the typical voter there an elderly white female liberal?"

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/support.w3archive/200203/msg00041.html

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Shall I go on? I can provide dozens more.


But BBV is not that Diebold is arrogant, BBV is that there is proof that crimes were committed, so I don't see the point in discussing Diebold's arrogance.

As the person who coined the term "black box voting", I believe I am the one who gets to define what it means, which is:

Any voting system in which the mechanism for processing and/or tabulating the vote are hidden from the voter, and/or the mechanism lacks a tangible record of the vote cast.

BBV can be used to facilitate fraud, but it has nothing to do with any conspiracies. Of course, I have no control over how others use the term.

And to tell you the truth, they don't seem overly arrogant to me. Not just the excerpt I posted, but overall.

ar·ro·gance (noun): a feeling or an impression of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or presumptuous claims.

I think Diebold certainly qualifies as arrogant under the "presumptious claims" part.