Reply #48: It's pretty simple, and it's already the law in many places... [View All]

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simply require the person with the permit to inform the officer that they are carrying, and have their status of having a CCW permit come up when their information is run checking for outstanding warrants et cetera.

In order for somebody to be stopped for DUI, there must be probable cause. Same deal for somebody suspected of carrying a concealed weapon while intoxicated.

You say: "Laws alone -- the honour system: thou shalt not carry a firearm in a bar -- obviously don't stop this from ever happening. They do deter some people from doing it."

Exactly right. And people who have CCW permits are exactly the kind of people who follow the honor system....they've indicated it by in fact GETTING a CCW permit. Remember, if the gun is concealed, how would somebody know if they had a permit or not, since they never see the gun? The people who jumped through the hoops have shown that they follow the law by getting the permit. In other words, they're low risk people to begin with. And remember, being a "habitual drunkard" is a disqualifying factor for firearms ownership in the first place.

Take the Dimebag Darryl situation. The guy who decided to shoot people didn't have a permit, was basically going on a suicide run anyway, and didn't CARE if it was illegal to take a gun into the bar. The guy who HAD the ccw permit didn't take the gun into the bar because it was against the law, and so had no ability to resist the badguy with the gun. The guy who didn't take his gun into the bar showed that he was trustworthy (because he obeyed the law, stupid as it is). The guy who killed the people showed that he was NOT trustworthy, because he broke the law by carrying a gun without a permit, by taking the gun into the bar, and then by shooting people. what I'm talking about wouldn't have made things easier for the shooter, because he was already breaking the law.