Reply #35: I used a wiki definition to provide something "concrete" to discuss. [View All]

[LooseWilly]

I understand the culture as well as any half breed quarter adopted into it can... and I still think the Magic Negro argument is a weak attempt to try to diffuse criticism of Obama by casting any who criticize him as trying to "recast" him as... a Magic Negro. A casting which I used wiki definitions to argue against. If you don't like the wiki definitions.. please supply some others, and I will re-appraise the argument in terms of the alternate definitions you provide.

If you want to have a discussion without any concrete notions upon which to base said discussion... I can do that too.

I think attempts to deflate criticisms of Obama as "Magic Negro Expectations" are a cheap attempt to deride all criticisms as a "white" cultural attempt to "deride" Obama... I think Obama himself would be offended to hear that criticisms are being dismissed thusly, as this sort of dismissal is an insult to his capacity to act as President just the same as any other (white, brown, yellow, red, black, or half-breed combination of any of the above).

As long as we're being de-tethered from any sort of "definitions" to justify our comments, I think my black step father would also be rather offended that criticisms of Obama's behavior on policy were being dismissed as a mere attempt by white people to make the black man fix their mess (isn't that the implication of the Magic Negro expectation meme?).
This is a national problem... sure, most of these problems were created by asshole white guys... but the notion that Obama should consider "He who shan't be named"s letter asking for unabashed fighting is hardly a call for him to Magically fix the white "ex-protagonists'" mess... but rather a call for a tactic that is hoped will be of use in his successful championing of the rest-of-us in the struggle... for everyone, including a couple of lucky white assholes who might've been part of the problem and who stand to gain from recovery of real estate prices, stock market prices, etc. ...

I am still curious to hear someone specifically talk about why "he who shan't be named"s letter isn't worth at least deconstructing so as to deny the viability there of. It's a call for a tactic. Argue yes or no. Tell me about how it is better for Obama to "pull his punches" with Blue Dawgs... something.

But, if you're going to try to belittle me for quoting some sources for my arguments... why not just call me an "oreo" and get it over with?

That's really the gist of this argument, isn't it? I'm acting "too white" by quoting something to back up what I'm saying? Are you going to tell me that that attitude isn't part of "the culture"? Or maybe being a half breed who lived for all too long in Oakland... is still just a half breed? No matter which communities said half breed might've lived amongst? Like... say... Obama living on the South Side?...

Picking and choosing those who are allowed to speak?... so as to control the message?...

If I were more paranoid, I might actually believe the above charges... ;)