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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:27 PM
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55-year drug sentence 'obscene'
Calling the sentence "unjust, cruel and even irrational" - but saying Congress had tied his hands by requiring mandatory minimum sentences - a federal judge in Utah has sentenced a first-offender marijuana seller to a 55-year, no-parole prison term.

US District Judge Paul G Cassell, appointed three years ago by President George W Bush, imposed the sentence yesterday on Utah rap record producer Weldon H Angelos, 25, and issued an impassioned 67-page opinion urging the president to commute the sentence to no more than 18 years.

Cassell wrote that the federal sentencing guidelines usually yield "tough but fair" sentences.

In Angelos' case, however, three gun-possession counts involving a concealed weapon he carried during marijuana sales to an informant triggered mandatory minimums Angelos must serve consecutive to what should have an eight-year term on the drug conviction.

"This case is different," Cassell wrote. "It involves a first offender who will receive a life sentence for crimes far less serious than those committed by many other offenders - including violent offenders and even a murderer - who have been before me."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/55year-drug-sentence-obscene/2004/11/18/1100718140200.html
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:30 PM
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These mandatory sentences are and always have been...
a really, really bad idea.

Eliminates inconsistency, you say? Not really, and any inconsistency omitted is not worth the price. I want a judge to evaluate every case individually, usually his JUDGMENT; that is what I pay him or her for. All factors should be taken into consideration during sentencing. This is a classic case.

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:30 PM
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1. Sorry, dupe.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 11:30 PM by LawStudentMom
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:32 PM
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2. Totally insane
murderers get away with far less in many states!
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:03 AM
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7. And some murderers aren't even tried...
depending upon their role in government.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:33 PM
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3. Bush is pretty heartless.
I doubt there is any chance he will commute this man's sentence.

For someone who is a recovering alcoholic/addict, Bush has shown an unusual unwillingness to show compassion or leniency.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:37 PM
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4. Earlier that day in the same courtroom, a man was convicted of murder
and received 25 years.

We live in bizarro world here. You can do more time for a DUI with no accidents than manslaughter with a gun in Alabama (10 years for a third DUI in a lifetime).

Catering to the "holier than thou's" is a full time job for American polititians. I just wish they'd get as pissed off about violent crime as they do about someone catching a buzz.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:06 AM
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15. reminds me of that case where a man came home
and found his wife in bed with another man; he shot her and killed her, and the judge gave him 9 months, and said "I would have done the same exact thing."
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:41 PM
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5. F*cked -up
snip>'urging the president to commute the sentence to no more than 18 years.'


NO MORE THAN 18 YEARS - are we insane!!!!... oh yeah, we are.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:44 PM
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6. Absolutely fucked up. n/t
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:30 AM
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8. Australian Press Reporting United States F*Cked Up Laws
I am sure somewhere in America this story is being talked about, maybe in the Prisons.
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DavidFL Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:03 AM
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9. It was tonight on Anderson Cooper 360...
This guy's sister and his lawyer were on. The sister said she believes the arresting officer -- the only police witness the AUSA had -- lied about her brother having a gun on him. Anderson was shocked, just shocked, that she would say that the cop had lied on the stand and then started asking all these questions which were worded in a way that it was apparent he thought she was nutty. It's one of the many things I can't stand about his show and CNN in general. Anyone who questions authority, or what the government says, is treated as a nutty conspiracy theorist. But considering the audince AC is aimed at, primarily young adults, it sends a bad message.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:10 AM
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10. The judge could have sentenced him fairly anyway
It would have taken bravery beyond this man's capacity, however.

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drunkdriver-in-chief Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:37 AM
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11. Bush and cheney are convicted drug criminals
They both have convictions for drunk driving - the worst of all drug crimes since DUIs are killers and maimers. But they never did a day in prison for their drug crimes.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:50 AM
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24. Great point.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:07 AM
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12. Geez, wonder if Tom DeLays kid ever got caught doing this they would
change the law so no time was done.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:18 AM
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13. Impossible. Delay spawned roaches, not children.
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Niccolo_Macchiavelli Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:25 AM
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14. perhaps he gets the serve in military deal ? (nt)
nt
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Sin Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:35 AM
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16. wow i think
The guy in midnight express had a shorter one compared to that.

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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:46 AM
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17. that is obscene
stop the prohibition
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:00 AM
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18. Cassell is a Scalia flunky from way back
clerked for him, IIRC. He also tried to have Miranda overturned about five years ago but even with his mentor's help, the court upheld it.

I bet that impassioned opinion for leniency will be used for toilet paper.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:11 AM
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19. This is a travesty!!!
:grr: :grr: :grr:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:20 AM
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20. 55 YEARS?! For a 1st offense?!
I am getting the fuck out of this corrupt, hollow country. These mandatory minimums are the fucking dems fault; we controlled both house & senate when this legislation passed in the 80s. I can't fucking stand this shit!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:36 AM
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21. DAMN! I was so hoping to click on this story and see the name "Limbaugh"
but alas that was not to be :(

On a serious note, yes, these mandatory sentences are ridiculous, particularly in this case where someone is merely profiting from the sale of an organic plant put here as a result of "intelligent design..."
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:39 AM
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22. Public expenditure of some $2,000,000 to incarcerate this offender is good
use of public monies in the eyes of the "tough on crime" touters.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:42 AM
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23. It's obscene. It's insane.
Our priorities are so out of whack.
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:59 AM
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25. What a nightmare. What the hell is going on in our court system?
Between the three strikes rule and this mandatory sentencing, justice and logic have been thrown out the window.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:26 PM
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28. There is hope
SCOTUS is hearing two cases this year on the constitutionality of mandatory minimums.
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:05 AM
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26. Fucking Reagan and his war on drugs. eom
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:17 PM
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27. appeal it!
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ekhunter Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:41 PM
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29. look at the bright side, another drug dealer off the streets.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:03 PM
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30. That's not bright :(
I would definitely celebrate a heroin dealer off the streets. That's about it though.

The War on Drugs must end! Mandatory Minimum Sentences are wrong, they don't help ANYTHING, they only add to the numbers in prisons.

Disgusting. Disgusting! 55 years?! I don't care what number offense, that is just wrong...

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Malebolgia Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:27 PM
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31. Like a sign said on an episode of The Simpsons:
"If you murdered someone, you'd be home already."

Murderers get out of prison in, what, ten years? Why does a pot seller get 55 fucking years?????
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:27 PM
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32. Cruel and unusual. eom
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