Ohio Finds Possible Double Votes, Counts

[sled]

Ohio Finds Possible Double Votes, Counts

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1104/188519.html

UPDATED - Thursday November 18, 2004 12:49am

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Election officials in one Ohio county found that
about 2,600 ballots were double-counted, and two other counties have
discovered possible cases of people voting twice in the presidential
election.

Prosecutors were trying to determine Wednesday whether charges should
be filed against a couple in Madison County accused of voting twice.
In addition, Summit County election workers investigated possible
double votes found under 18 names.

In the other case, Sandusky County election officials discovered that
about 2,600 ballots from nine precincts were counted twice, likely
because of worker error, elections director Barb Tuckerman said.

Tuckerman believes the votes were counted twice when they were
mistakenly placed alongside a pile of uncounted ballots. The room
where the ballots were being fed into optical-scan machines on
election night was so crowded that ballots had to be placed on the
floor, Tuckerman said.

[Ferretherder]

1. But, aside from...

...verifiable incidences of MASS VOTE FRAUD, the election was declared glitch free!

[jdj]

3. yeah, our soldiers are over in Iraq dying (and killing others)

just for the freedom to have their vote not count.

[Mokito]

19. Or counted twice (when of "right" party affiliation, of course)

[Komrade _azul]

2. Kerry conceded too quickly.

This is a pipe dream but what if Kerry had waited for the recount?

[Dr Ron]

4. Concession doesn't matter

If Kerry hadn't conceded, Republicans and the conservative media would be attacking him daily. If it turns out he still loses, they'd continue to hold it against him.

If the final counting (provissional and overseas absentee) as well as recount show Kerry does win, he would sitll win. He would also be in a better position to get public support as the victim, who conceded early (for the good of the country) based upon false information.

The middle position is if there are the votes to win, but it takes a court fight due to problems gettilng them all counted. He left himself a way to do this by saying at the time of the concession that they owe it to the voters to make sure all the votes are counted. His lawyers can challenge decisions, or do whatever else needs to be done, without Kerry being open to attack.

[Kahuna]

6. It matters to *. He will claim,, possession is nine tenths of the law..

and refuse to concede. :puke:

[Dr Ron]

16. Electoral College most important

If the final vote in Ohio does go to Kerry and he is granted the electoral votes, it doesn't matter who has or has not conceded. If the electoral college picks Kerry, there is no dispute.

Of course it remains a rather big "if" that the final vote grants Kerry the Ohio electors.

[Jo March]

17. Electoral College is important - remember Gore?

LOL idiot right wingers would like us to forget that

[Ducks In A Row]

23. what I like about kerry's conceding (which isn't binding)

the rethugs are shooting themselves in the foot right now.

getting rid of the filibuster rule for judge nominations, and all.

then kerry will be prez. then the rethugs will scream "we need to filibuster" and be so clearly seen for the morons they are.

[Ganja Ninja]

5. Concession speeches aren't binding.

It doesn't matter if Kerry conceded or not. If the final count shows Kerry is the winner then election results can be amended. Even if the wrong man is sworn in on January 20th it's a simple matter for him to resign and allow the winner to be sworn in. That is what an honorable man would do, bow to the will of the electorate. Of course honorable isn't a word you could associate with George W. Bush.

[annabanana]

7. ...sure....THIS is the fraud that gets attention............

But the huge discrepancies?... not a peep...

[bunkerbuster1]

22. You're expecting the SCLM to do its job?

I'm not.

[SeekerofTruth]

8. What's wrong with voting twice?

We do it here in Chicago all the time.:-)

[bushisanidiot]

15. Double voting repukes throw their "morals" out the window when

it comes to elections. hatred drives them to the polls and they will lie, steal and cheat to "win".

bunch of "moral values" hypocrites..

[MileHiStealth]

9. Just curious ... how many "isolated incidents" does it take ...

before it's no longer considered an isolated incident ?

[Stephanie]

25. It was a GLITCH, MileHi

There have been numerous GLITCHES in the vote-counting, but each GLITCH was an isolated GLITCH. Look over there! Nicolette Sheridan is naked!

[Ripley]

10. Ah, the daily "Ohio double vote counts" post.

They should be adding up to fraud pretty soon now.

[On the Road]

11. Exactly How Would They Discover This?

I understand how they would uncover too many votes, but to identify an individual stack of ballots and where they were placed?

This is actually very good news if they can reconstruct the counting process down to this level. It will allow much a more thorough investigation.

[JudyM]

12. Hmm hopefully they weren't in a highly democratic precinct.

[TryingToWarnYou]

13. That doesnt matter... Fraud is still fraud.

I dont care who gets the illegal votes..its still fraud and if we have to win by accepting 'cheated' ballots then did we really have a chance in the first place?

[JudyM]

14. Agreed - just hoping they were Bush-heavy ballots, since the count is

still live.

[jbnow]

21. Sandusky B 17,824 Kerry 13,909

This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/2004/gen/pres.htm
as retrieved on Nov 17, 2004 03:12:23 GMT.

[ismnotwasm]

18. Dude, I want my country back

I'm sure voter fraud has always existed, but that fact that we even have to go through this sickens me. At the very least I hope we come out with a system where every vote does count, and one vote for person. I have a friend who works as a social worker in a nursing home. She was working her ass off getting provisional ballots for some of the folks who otherwise would not be able to vote. (By the way, the folks at this particular nursing home were mostly pro-Kerry!)

[progressivebydesign]

20. To those that think Kerry can "unconcede"...

I guess many here are forgetting how Bush ACTUALLY got the presidency in 2000. It wasn't vote counts, it wasn't numbers, it wasn't fancy legal wrangling. It was his rights, as the Supreme Court interpreted them, to EQUAL PROTECTION. He WON because he BELIEVED he was president! They ruled that because he had been declared president already, that it would do irreparable harm to him to have it taken away. Now.. anyone with fantasies that Kerry is going to get into the White House in January, are just fantasizing. Kerry's concession and refusal to FUCKING FIGHT BACK, has set Bush up to win.. again.. regardless of the electoral vote in Ohio. You'd think his lawyers would have been smarter than that.. But I think Kerry's ego couldn't handle losing, and he walked away. I don't agree that Kerry shouldn't have fought this. By handing Bush the win, without a whimper, without a question, without hesitation, gave Bush the presidency, regardless of Ohio's outcome. The Supreme Court gave the win to Bush last time, with nowhere near as much belief that Bush had won, they would do it again.

All we can hope for now is that Ohio exposes the rampant fraud, incompetence, and crimes, of the Republican Party's voting mechanisms. Sad but true.

[Supersedeas]

24. but but but the Sec of State says the OH election was GREAT, before

votes are recounted and subtracted