Lawmaker tries to block mental-health screening

[denverbill]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41511

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is making a final attempt this week to lessen the impact of a new program that calls for all the nation's children to be screened for mental-health problems, offering language to the federal omnibus spending bill that would require parental consent before such testing could be done.

<snip>

Critics of the plan say it is a thinly veiled attempt by drug companies to provide a wider market for high-priced antidepressants and antipsychotic medication, and puts government in areas of Americans' lives where it does not belong.

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Lord knows I rarely agree with WND, but I think it's pretty f'ing funny when Republicans slam through a drug-company bonus referral program disguised as 'mental health screening' and then freepers run crying to their mothers about it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1283036/posts

[qanda]

1. It is hilarious

Maybe it will wake some of them up.

[George_S]

2. EUGENICS

That's what it really is.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. Actually it really is Thought Control. Big Brother is screening you. . nt

[JohnOneillsMemory]

37. Big Nurse is helping Big Brother. 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'

meets '1984.'

Instead of controlling masses with machine guns, American fascism uses....SCIENCE! so the masses welcome it.

Aldous Huxley warned of this in a 1962 speech about the 'Final Revolution' of mind control.

audio streaming for a half hour speech at UCBerkeley-
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=6

What Congress and all Merkins SHOULD be tested for is
Fascism Receptivity as defined by this 1950 questionnaire-
http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm

[wordout]

54. lol, a whining rotter..

Score:1.7333333333333334

You are a whining rotter.


http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm

[George_S]

42. Partly, sure, because mind control is needed for eugenics

Google eugenics and feebleminded for more.

[Habibi]

3. Another side-effect of this screening:

(apart from the stone outrage of it)should you be "diagnosed" with something pharmacologically treatable, you will be on record with a pre-existing condition. Makes getting health and life insurance harder on down the road.

[Cobalt Violet]

16. Makes getting a gun harder too.

If your on the mental list.

[DBoon]

25. And a security clearance as well

eom

[ilovenicepeople]

51. But you will still get one of those "chips"

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!

[SeattleDem]

4. Check out this snippet of info

"...The program in question was proposed by the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, which President Bush established in 2002. The New Freedom Initiative recommends screening not only for children but eventually for every American...."

Oh, but right, the regressives running Congress now aren't interested in bigger government or telling us how to run our lives. What's next, no driver's license or voting privileges unless you bring in your mental health screening results?

on edit: adding this:

"...recommended comprehensive mental-health screening for consumers of all ages," including preschool children."

consumers??? wonder why they chose that word. This is outrageous!

[George_S]

5. Not only that, the law already pass in Illinois

IL school mental health screening nears

Wednesday, August 25, 2004

By Rhonda Robinson, Leader correspondent

SPRINGFIELD -- The deadline is fast approaching when Illinois schools must comply with the new mandates under the Illinois Children’s Mental Health Act, signed by Gov. Rod Blagojevich into law last year.

Calling CMHA an “unfunded mandate,” Superintendent of Urbana School District #116 Gene Amberg, also a member of the Illinois Children’s Mental Health Partnership, told IllinoisLeader.com, “School districts that are strapped financially and economically will have a tough time."

By August 31, all Illinois school districts must, according to CHMA, “develop a policy for incorporating social and emotional development into the district's educational program. The policy shall address teaching and assessing social and emotional skills and protocols for responding to children with social, emotional, or mental health problems, or a combination of such problems, that impact learning ability.”

But, "there is a difference between policy and administrative regulation,” said Amberg. “How do you translate a board’s policy… and a school district actually doing it in rules and regulations?”

[OneBlueSky]

6. read more about this here . . .

there have been several good discussions about this on DU . . . summarized in this post . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2714569&mesg_id=2714636

[Walt Starr]

7. I hope it actually passes and is signed into law

Let the rightwingnutballs choke on the full horor of their decision.

[LiberalFighter]

38. What horror??

That most of the mentally unbalanced are repugs?? That would be great!!!

[Booster]

43. Actually I think you're right. If this screening process is done

properly, the first people to be put away will be fundamentalists; you know damn good and well Pat Robertson could never pass a mental test. They will have to put in there that Bush followers are exempt from the screenings.

[LiberalFighter]

46. Wouldn't that be grand to have all those religious nut cases locked away

in a mental institution?

[dmr]

47. That depends on who is doing the screening

This evaluation might be skewered where they find free thought and free will as a danger to oneself or society. I'd surely fail that test.

[Native]

8. I've been inundated with emails from every freeper

I know about this - all of them urging me to write to my representatives. They are completely freeping out. And you're right, the irony is exquisite.

[BeHereNow]

12. Oh Yeah...

Their BLIND faith in the anti-christ is about to
catch up to them.
I, for one, can't wait.
Soon enough they will pay for their ignorance and arrogance.
Soon enough, THEIR children will be sent to the quagmire
and returned to their hate-filled homes in body bags.
Let's see what they have to say then.
They support the troops as long as the troops are
someone elses kids.
I say send THEIR kids and let my nephew come home.
They have confused the troops, our children
with our government. Our government
does not give a shit about our troops, no
more than they give a shit about the kids they plan to
drug with this criminal act of forced mental health
screening, all to line the pockets of the pharma-cartel.
Those drugs have been outlawed in other countries
for use in children.

Note to lurking freeper arm chair warriors:
Supporting our troops does NOT mean supporting the
corporate criminals who are abusing them, the same
way they plan to abuse the children sbujected to
this ridiculous screening.
If you truly support our troops-
Bring them HOME NOW or get YOUR ass over there.

bhn

[Eloriel]

9. I think this is SO dangerous

it scares the hell outta me. It scares me so bad I want to tell my son and his wife to think again about whether they have kids (tho they plan to home school -- wonder if that would make a difference?).

I think this is about FAR more than just more profits for drug companies -- if not sooner, then later.

[dkofos]

10. Go get em Ron Paul

One of the only thinking repugs in texas

[Gruenemann]

50. One of the only thinking repugs ANYWHERE

not just TX.

[ilovenicepeople]

52. God bless Ron Paul!

:kick:

[el_gato]

11. the freeptards realize this is the cost of their ignorance

"bush is god" yeah, he owns your ass now and he's gonna let pharmaceutical corps take your children away, literally.

[denverbill]

14. Freepers will NEVER wake up. EVER.

Seriously, if Bush rounded them all up and sent them to concentration camps, as they were waiting in line for the gas chamber, they'd be saying stuff like "Well, I don't mind this concentration camp thing as long as a Republican is in charge. But what if a DEMOCRATS took over!!"

[prolesunited]

17. I laughed at that at first

And then the full horror of that statement hit me. Unfortunately, all too true.

[The Minus World]

27. One Freeper's Mind.

I'm sure a few would, but I doubt that most Republicans have truly fallen into the "round up everyone who disagrees with me, and kill 'em all!" mentality - although some may possess a caustic and uncomfortable sense of humor which might lead one to believe such a thing. If we demonize the opposition, we run the risk of becoming the selfsame monster we hope to defeat.

My belief is that most Bush voters pulled the lever for a "conservative," not a religious extremist. As the veil is pulled farther back, and Bush reveals his true agenda to the people over time, it will become less appetizing to a great majority of his constituency, although a handful will continue to support him. That handful of people may be accurately called "Nazis."

Remember the RNC, where they paraded out the "moderates" for the stage-show, although the actual Republican platform was much more abrasive? Once they alienate all of the true conservatives - and even those who we duped into voting for Bush because they believed he was conservative - they'll have a real problem on their hands: the illusion of popular support will have been destroyed.

That's the problem with the Bush agenda. It's based on illusion, and it requires the constant maintainence of a facade - one that has been chipped away at, and punctured into, over the last four years.

My sister is rabid about supporting Bush, but one needs to understand that such fervor is less of a characteristic of one's political beliefs, and more of a flaw in one's reasoning.

Once the message is loud and clear that Bush is supporting an extremist agenda, my sister will fight just as rabidly to get him out of office.

[Mist]

29. That's just it--a facade

A facade requiring lots of manufactured consent through a state news apparatus, and lots of manufactured/bought support from politicians. I keep thinking the whole thing is going to come tumbling down just because it IS so expensive and time-consuming to keep going.

[The Minus World]

33. A quote from a very smart man.

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."

~ Frank Zappa, 1977

[Trajan]

35. I aint buying this crap ...

Demonize ? ...

Sheeesh ...

FUCK the goddamned Republicans: FUCK the GOP enablers ....

FUCK Bush Voters: right up their 'moderate' Right WIng arseholes ...

And FUCK anyone who would dare stop us from 'demonizing' republicans .....

I cant believe this shit ....

We have had our faces POUNDED into the fucking mud for DECADES, by the likes of Hannity, O'Liely' Rushbo and et al ....

and WE must 'be quiet', because we wouldnt want to appear to be 'meanies' ??? ...

FUCK that ....

[The Minus World]

53. Many of us

have to co-exist with "GOP enablers," and the unfortunate reality is that many of these people are otherwise honest individuals who happen to be terribly misled by years and years of right-wing propaganda.

Go ahead and "fuck" people like myself: ones who are calling for a rational solution to the problem; but you must understand:

- Not every Republican is (name your favorite reactionary right-wing talk-show host here).
- Not every Republican is a (name your favorite reactionary right-wing talk-show host here) listener.
- Not every (name your favorite reactionary right-wing talk-show host here) listener would jump off a cliff if (name your favorite reactionary right-wing talk-show host here) told them to.
- Not everyone who voted for Bush is aware that their vote pushed America one step closer to fascism.

Yes, there are rabid, aggressive individuals who would crack up laughing if all liberals were rounded up and thrown into the gulags - that's who we should be fighting tooth and nail. If someone is trying to "POUND us into the fucking mud," I suggest that we fight back with everything we have at our disposal. I've never suggested anything short of that.

Surely, you can make the distinction between the deluded soccer-mom "GOP enablers" (as you put it) and the Hitler-spawn neo-fascists? Surely there are shades in between the two extremes, worthy of appraisal, before we start painting every Bush voter with the same brush of unmitigated hatred.

There are some right-wingers that are worth educating, and there are some that are far beyond redemption. The former are not worthy of demonization; the latter should be the focus of our scorn. I have never said anything different, and I don't think you would disagree.

[TexasChick]

48. I don't know about that, denverbill. Check out this other thread on the

same subject. blueblitzkrieg posted a Freeptard thread about the very same subject from www.freetardrepublic.com:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2719438#2719652



Check out mine and vetwife's response under it! These asshats are gonna pay for this. It's time they suffered like the rest of us! Damn, these Freeptards!

[n2mark]

13. Scarry

This is scarry stuff! It is not mental health, I'd call it a cover up for "mind control."

[Ima]

26. ..

Yes it will be mind control, dumbing down, money for big pharmaceuticals, a giant leap in government control of you children, and a terrific way to find out what goes on in you household.


1984...kids turning their parents in to win an 'award'.



Think about the kind of questions that will be asked.

[Demeter]

15. Start With Screening the GOP

If there ever was a population in need of serious medical intervention, the GOP is it.

[lil-petunia]

22. A SOMA a day keeps the blues away! Now, Kneel in prayer, and praise

our beloved Tsar of America, Richard Cheney! Hail to Cheney, Hail to Cheney, Hell with Cheney!


What was his curse, Beget yourself?

[OhioChick]

18. Bush should be

first in line for 'this' screening.....

[bunny planet]

19. The royal twins need to be screened too.

[Sanity Claws]

20. Parental consent

Isn't it ironic that parental consent is not needed for this screening, even though the Repugs tag or try to parental consent on things like birth control and abortion?

[hatrack]

39. Oddly enough, Dylan Klebold was Prozacked to the gills

Didn't stop Columbine, though. Then there's that little thing about SSRIs' links to suicide.

Oh well, we've got to move these pills to SOMEBODY once the next generation of tranks comes along - first things first!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. Too much opportunity for Mischief and selective application

It becomes too easy to jigger the results so the Johnny goes on meds and if the parents object, then Johnny has to take the meds in the Nurse's office and the parents may find it difficult to retain parentship of Johnny if they don't shut up and make like sheeple. If this draconian authoritarianism gets implemented, there will be good reason to do statistical studies to determine if there is bias in the results.

Given the stated desire to extend it to all "consumers" (adults), where does it end?

Has the Surgeon General resigned yet?

The new order would be "Big Brother is Medicating You". (An opportunity to photoshop the old 1984 posters or Bush.) Consumers would have to consume their meds in front of the internet-cam and wave the RFID sensor over their stomach to verify that they actually swallowed them since each pill would contain an RFID device, coded to the consumer.

[The Minus World]

24. Cowardly New World.

Medicate those who show the likelihood of straying from the accepted norm; allow a corrupt government to control the standards of said norm.

This isn't just a wink and a nudge to the big pharmaceutical companies - this is a direct affront to human nature.

What can ethically be considered unacceptable behaviour? Wouldn't a program like this have to be based on a sweeping standard of sanity passed down from on high? It looks as though we're in the full blown "dystopian" phase of American history, indeed.

I seem to remember someone quoting a Bush/Cheney spokesman here, once. It went something like: "Hey, and if people don't like what we're doing to this country, that's what Prozac is for." Strange that "values" and "morality" were such core issues to their campaign, yet they're now openly discussing the benefits of a drugged-out population.

It's a wonder why the FReepers are so up in arms about this. It seems to me that it fits right in with their desire for a world of group-thinking, Republican-voting, religious zombies.

[TO Kid]

28. Hoping it gets nipped in the bud

I think this idea will be buried. Even the freepers hate it.

[__Inanna__]

31. Interview with Rep Tom Tancredo on this subject

If anyone is interested, Tom Tancredo was on Alex Jones this a.m. discussing this (he is opposed, I am assuming). I didn't hear it, but AJ mentioned that he'd been on discussing it before I turned on the show. There is a repeat of the show each night from 9p.m. to midnight, M-F, and you can listen to it on the Internet, short wave, and there are radio affiliates throughout some states. For more info, the web site is www.infowars.com.

I was pooh poohed by a member of this board for listening to AJ's show, but much of what ends up here regarding the encroaching police state is also discussed on his show, so I thought I'd share. Additionally, there are more videos and audio interviews at that web site that I am sure would be of interest to many here.

For instance, the National ID card is dead, for now(?). If it gets approved in this round, it will a stripped down version. But the jury isn't in for sure. Here's a link...http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/171104nationalid.htm

[havocmom]

30. Am I the only one who recalls a story early in the bush* admin about DOD

trying to devise ways to administer calming drugs to mass urban populations, supposedly to make it easier to fight an enemy in urban settings?

Now they wanna force screening of kids; adults to follow? Guess who will get the safe, fun jobs. Guess who will be cleaning the toxic waste sites? Guess who will be locked away and left to become institutionally retarded?

Orwell is in the ether saying "Why didn't I think up a plot like this?"

[Ima]

36. Somebody did

"
Orwell is in the ether saying "Why didn't I think up a plot like this?"


Read 'Margret Atwood'.I think it's called 'A handmaids tale'.

It is chilling, and we are about there. Read it.

[havocmom]

45. have read it

and given several copies away

[conflictgirl]

58. I remember it too.

I had a site featuring that story bookmarked on my computer, in fact, but the page is no longer active.

[arabella]

32. Adopt me?

Can someone from the Orkney Islands adopt me and my two pixies (and cats, bettas, guinea pig, hamster, mouse, and anole)? Better yet, I'd like off this planet.

[Zorra]

34. Any child that does not fully understand christo-fascist principles

will be taken to a Bushler Youth Camp for re-programming.

[Zhade]

40. Wow, Freepers finally open their eyes, a little.

Of course, DUers were all over this before it appeared in the laughable WorldNutDaily.

[The Flaming Red Head]

41. O.D.D. = possible dissident nt

[bacchant]

44. I still can't imagine how they plan to accomplish this

How do you get everyone in the US tested? Do they use census data to start, then update a new database as they go, with the names and results of those who have complied. What do they do with the millions of uninsured?

[Cronus Protagonist]

49. More work by the testing kit lobby

Your politicians at work making sure the testing kit makers get to keep their mansions. New blood test... woops! Your child has ADD, ADHD, Homosexual tendencies and a proclivity to diabetes and anal cancer.

Here, take seven pills a day for the rest of your life and report to your local church for faith-based counselling on that faggot thing.


http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

[PsychoDad]

55. Want to stop this dead in it's tracks?

Spin this as a liberal agenda.

Tell the freeps that it will be liberal, evolution beliving scientists who will be doing the testing.

Mark of the beast and all that. Weed out the christians for the camps.

etc, etc...

There will be such a backlash.

[baba]

56. Mental health screening is a GOOD idea

As a mental health professional, I have to say that I think this is a good idea. Why all the outrage? I agree 100% that parental consent should be required. Mental health is as important as physical health.

[r3verberate]

57. If for some reason you were looking for one big issue where you could ..

.. agree with Republicans, then this is your issue.