Falluja women, children in mass grave

[TomClash]

Falluja women, children in mass grave


Many corpses remain unburied, Falluja residents say

Residents of neighbouring Saqlawiya village have told Aljazeera that they helped bury the bodies of 73 women and children who were burned beyond recognition.

"We buried them here, but we could not identify them because they were charred by the use of napalm bombs used by the Americans," said one Saqlawiya resident in footage aired on Sunday.

There have been no reports of the US military using napalm in Falluja and no independent verification of the above statements.

It remains unclear how the women and children were killed. The resident, who helped in the burial, told Aljazeera all of the bodies were buried in one mass grave.

Late last week, US troops in Falluja called on some residents who had fled the fighting to return and help bury the dead. However, according to other residents who managed to flee the fighting after US forces entered the city, hundreds of bodies still lay in the streets and were being fed on by packs of wild dogs.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/24EBE5BB-CA3F-462B-8279-546BC1D9B7E6.htm

[leftchick]

1. bush*'s mass graves....

beat saddam's mass graves by the thousands. At least saddam did not slaughter them while promising 'freedom and democracy'!

:(

[amber dog democrat]

2. I love the smell of Napalm in the morning

it smells like Freedom is on the march.
What have we become ?

[Laughing Mirror]

6. This would not be the first time US has used napalm in Iraq

Uncle Sam loves his napalm. It is a weapon of mass destruction that no country on this earth uses, except the US.

Genocide: we've done it before, we'll do it again. That's what we have become.

[kcwayne]

13. It could also be a phosphorous bomb

But any technology will do. This is the "values" of the right to life administration

[saigon68]

25. WP (white phosphorus) or WILLIE PETE IS "worse" Than NAPALM

Usually we keep the gloves on," said Army Capt. Erik Krivda, of Gaithersburg, Md., the senior officer in charge of the 1st Infantry Division's Task Force 2-2 tactical operations command center. "For this operation, we took the gloves off."
Some artillery fired white phosphorous rounds that create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water. Insurgents reported being attacked with a substance that melted their skin, a reaction consistent with white phosphorous burns.

Kamal Hadeethi, a physician at a regional hospital, said, "The corpses of the mujahedeen which we received were burned, and some corpses were melted."

Link to article



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/10/MNG6P9P3ER1.DTL


SAIGON SAYS READ IT AND THROW UP

"The operation is going very precise and with a very small number of casualties," he said. "In every place, we finish an operation, our forces start to distribute aid, food, clothes, blankets and even money. ... We are very sure that we are moving in the right way and will do the tasks we are asked to do very precisely."


LIKE GOOD LITTLE WAR CRIMINAL MURDERERS

[saigon68]

29. WARNING THIS IS WHITE PHOSPHORUS 'extreme graphic violence"

This is the shit that post #3 addresses.

These people smell real nice too, as their wounds run and fester and become infected. Any medical people who treat burn victims chime right in with your back-up to my observations.

[indepat]

56. Oh, the humanity of it

[RedCon1]

57. That's fu**ing hideous. I'm nauseous now.

Are those children Iraqi victims? I assume they are. Are they victims of US bombing? Again, I assume they are. You need to share these pictures with the fine folks at American Conservative forum, the Naked Conservative, True Conservative, Conservatives for freedom, etc, etc, etc. They will claim that these children are victims of the Iraqi insurgents who are indiscriminately using car bombs in civilian areas BTW.

[Swamp Rat]

66. Yes they are victims of US bombing

It's GOOD that these photos make you sick because your tax dollars paid for it.

[TomClash]

3. Truth is, Americans don't care

Everyone is a terrorist. Welcome to 1984.

[lil-petunia]

20. a bait and switch of criminal proportions. This is so vile, so sad.

we are truly destroying a nation to "save" it in christian eyes.

[GetTheRightVote]

51. I need an FW symbol to put on my truck

where do I get one, please let me know.

[leftchick]

52. wow! second request today!

Here you go....http://www.cafepress.com/fwstickers

oh and it stands for Free World...if your grandma asks! ;)

edit: I forgot to welcome you to DU! :)

[RedCon1]

59. Thanks for that site.

Just in time for Christmas too!!!

[DELUSIONAL]

4. The website falluja pictures has photos of what looks like burned bodies

http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/

Reporters (remember when reporters were thought to be the witnesses -- the eyes of the people -- so that armies would be reminded not to repeat the sins of the Nazis?) -- reporters were kept out of Falluja -- so there are no independent witnesses. Anyone seen moving was ordered killed -- or so we read.

It certainly is possible that something like napalm was used to "flush" out any moving creature.

The skull and other body parts seen in the photos at the website certainly look like they were extensively burned.

Who the hell are the terrorists?

[lindashaw]

11. We are...I'm shaking my head. I don't know...

[BlueStatesForever]

5. Yes, it's true, they don't use napalm..exactly

It's something other than, but very similar to napalm. Can someone help me remember what it is?

I also saw recently that they were using phosphorus, an acid.

[jmcgowanjm]

18. Napalm by another name: Pentagon denial goes up in flames

The Pentagon no longer officially uses the brand-name
Napalm, a combination of naphthalene and palmitate, but
a similar substance known as fuel-gel mixture contained
in Mark-77 fire bombs was dropped on Iraqi troops near
the Iraq-Kuwait border at the start of the recent
war.

On March 22 a Herald correspondent, Lindsay
Murdoch, travelling with US marines, reported that napalm
was used in an attack on Iraqi troops at Safwan Hill, near
the Kuwait border.

He was apparently referring to Vietnam-era Napalm-B,
which consisted of inflammable fuel thickened with
polystyrene and benzene. The inflammable fuel in Mark-77
fire bombs is thickened with slightly different chemicals, and
is believed to contain oxidisers.

A Pentagon official told Agence France-Presse on Thursday
that US forces used the Mark-77 fire bombs against Iraqi
forces in their drive towards Baghdad and defended their use
as legal and necessary.

The official told AFP: "It is like this: you've got enemy
that's hard to get at. And it will save your own lives to use
it." There were no international conventions against it, the
official said.

"The generals love napalm," the paper quoted Colonel
Randolph Alles, the commander of Marine Air Group 11,
as saying. "It has a big psychological effect."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/08/1060145870882.html?oneclick=true

[donkeyotay]

49. Isn't this what triiaaall llawyers do?

If napalm is outlawed, you make an alteration and call it naypalm and keep using it.

[xchrom]

7. quelle surprise!

there is no brutality in this conflict that will be left unexplored.
and americans have themselves to blame.

fellow liberals, this is what the conservative revolution has brought -- ain't it pretty -- and oh so morally correct.

you can blame bush -- but it is past time to take a good, long, hard look at the character of our fellow country men and women.
the brutality is in the american spirit -- and it's past time to buck up and look at it -- really look at it.

[Pepper32]

8. This is sick!

Reading articles like this is making it harder and harder for me to support the damn troops. I know they are just following orders.

However, right is right and wrong is wrong. And this is just WRONG!

I often wonder what if the entire military over there refused to carry out these sick orders, what will happen? (fat chance I know, but I just wonder)

This has to end before they kill them all.

[riverwalker]

9. White Phosphorus

also known as Willie P. is being used against civilians in Fallujah.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/10/MNG6P9P3ER1.DTL

"Some artillery guns fired white phosphorous rounds that create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water. Insurgents reported being attacked with a substance that melted their skin, a reaction consistent with white phosphorous burns.
Kamal Hadeethi, a physician at a regional hospital, said, "The corpses of the mujahedeen which we received were burned, and some corpses were melted."

[leftchick]

36. and the point of using this willie p on people is what exactly?

instant cremation? What a fucking country I live in! It is beyond sickening....:puke:

[Farmgirl]

39. Hi Leftchick...

Where did you get the "FW" logo? I'd love to get that as a subversive bumper sticker.

God this war makes me sick to my stomach. As if I wasn't already sick already from * being supposedly "re-elected" (by Roveco.), now we, just by the shear virtue of being Americans and paying our taxes, also have blood on our hands.

I want no part of this war. I want no part of this administration. It sucks.

[leftchick]

40. Here is the link Farmgirl....

http://www.cafepress.com/fwstickers

and welcome to DU!

:toast:

[Farmgirl]

43. Thanks Leftchick....do you want to hear something funny

When my husband and I saw the "FW" logo, we did not think "Free World", we thought "F*ck W" -- (that's about one in the same though, isn't it!!)

[booksenkatz]

10. Next thing you know

we'll have an orchestra playing for the women and children as we march them to their deaths.

Remind me again how we are different from the Nazis? I visited the yad vashem website yesterday and, forgive me, but I can't help but see so many similarities. (You're not allowed to point it out, though, because you are called hysterical or hyperbolical. So let's pretend I didn't even type this paragraph... shhhhhhhhh!)


I despise what my country has become.:(

[leftchick]

53. I see no difference at all...

perhaps the Nazis were actually more up front about their bigotry and hatred. This administration tries to convince people they are 'moral and Godly'. :mad:

[MountainLaurel]

60. A lot don't

There have been a lot of posts on DU from people with family, neighbors, and who themselves lived through the Holocaust, who are scared as fuck because to them it's 1930s Germany all over again.

[Cooley Hurd]

12. What would the average American (read: war supporters) say...

...if they saw these pictures on FauxNewsCorp?

Sadly, it would sound something like this:

Woo! We're winning the war! Lookit all them dead Eye-rackies!"

I fucking hate it here... :grr:

[Pretty_in_CodePink]

17. I don't think that is true.

A big part of the problem is that most Americans are not seeing any of these images or getting this information. You have to make a real effort to get true information and photos about the war. What most see and hear is about the barbaric insurgents and terrorists who troops are flushing out and killing - often in self defense. Americans do not even see the coffins of our own dead troops. I think there could be a huge turning point in the support for this war if the media were to extensively report stories such as these and show photos such as the one in a later post of the injured children.

[jmcgowanjm]

22. exactly why the USMedia won't report

You can tell we're losing simply by
checking leads.

For instance, 8:07C, top of the hour, we're talkin' about Bush's bodyguard. (BTW-the inauguration will look like a cross between
an Imperial Police State and Hitler's Nuremberg
Review) Then Pistons/Pacers/Fans.

Meanwhile: IRR 112004

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent outside al-Fallujah
reported that the US vehicles ringing al-Fallujah on
Saturday stayed firmly planted in their places - a very
important point for the people of al-Fallujah, since the
movement of the vehicles means that the US forces
are embarking on some concerted effort to break into the
city. When the vehicles stay put, however, it means that they
will have a certain lull in the American efforts to drive on their
city.

US forces withdrew 250 heavy vehicles from the
concentration around the city during the last four days,
sending them off in the direction of Mosul in the north of
the country, where the Resistance has opened a new front
of action against the occupation forces.

The people of Iraq hope that the Resistance will continue to
defy the American aggressors for another week because that
will mean, according to political observers, the collapse
of American power.

http://uruknet.info/.?p=m7455

[DELUSIONAL]

14. pictures of "insurgents"?

Of course we know that the blame for all of this blood shed and misery falls on the shoulders of one little man -- GW bushie.

Meanwhile he is chumming it up with world leaders of the Pacific rim.



The Arab and Islamic world is seeing these photos -- but Americans must be "protected" for the reality of war. Sanitized -- killers turned into heroes -- feeding the people they displaced by orders from Rummy? or bushie himself?

[susu369]

19. Respectfully disagree

"the blame for all of this blood shed and misery falls on the shoulders of one little man -- GW bushie"

Indeed it does, but the blame also goes to the people who voted for the miserable "little man." The people who voted for bu$h* have blood on their hands and I try to tell those I know just that.

[DELUSIONAL]

61. I agree with you -- Bush and the people who voted for him

ALL have blood on their hands.

I've told my husband that his cousin (a rabid GOPig) had better NEVER call -- because I will tell him that he is responsible for the murder of Iraqis -- their blood is on his hands. And if his Army grandson is called up again -- that is HIS problem.

Bush is a killer and so are his supporters (they are enabling him to be a serial killer).

People who harm innocent children are the lowest of scum -- I can't even think of words to describe how low these bastards are.

The Iraqi children will bear physical and/or emotional wounds from the US invasion of their country for the rest of their lives.

[Todd B]

34. So sad.. all this death and destruction for what?

This is so sad; I feel so heartbroken for the meaningless slaughter of human life. I just hate George Bush and this war so much for what he is doing to innocent civilians - why is no one bring *him* up on war criminal charges?!? :(

The sad thing is that, while George Bush is "waging war" on other nations for "possessing" weapons of mass destruction, we are continuing to build and maintain a stockpile of them at home. How is that for hypocrisy?

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

42. OIL and the spread of Judeo-Xtian ideology

This is nothing more than a clash of religious ideology and a grab for diminishing resources by superpower eager to maintain world dominance.

People don't matter in the grand scheme of those like Wolfashitz, Cheney, and like-minded neocons. We are but pawns in a game of Stratego for these sick motherfuckers.

JB

[Massachusetts]

15. The "average American"

doesn't give two shits. For the most part they are self absorbed in their pathetic selfish lives.:grr: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: ROME IS BURNING..we just haven't smelled the smoke yet.

[teach1st]

21. I placed a few of the pictures online on my teacher site...

..to force reality. It doesn't work. I received the "in every war there are civilian causalties, but it's for the greater good" type reply. My efforts to figure out what the "greater good" is bought replies about 9/11 and terrorists. When I pointed out the fallacies in that, it was ignored. One poster pointed out that the pictures were "faked" propoganda.

These are teachers. Good people who mostly care about children. Facts and reality don't work anymore, at least not right away.

[Massachusetts]

27. "that pictures were faked propaganda."

The individual who is insinuating that the pictures are "faked propaganda", is the type of, "I don't give two shits" American that I speak of. They are insulated, self centered pseudo intellectuals who can't see beyond their own boorish interests,and sadly their children are well groomed in that train of thinking. My wife is a HS English teacher, and it makes me sick to see the inquisitions she has to go through with these parents who are defending the poor performance of these students (i.e plagiarism is the biggy).
:dunce:

[Protagoras]

45. It's a lot easier for the ignorant to deny the truth

than to understand it. Our education system didn't fail, it was sabotaged. The sheep should never get too informed.

God is in the Television.

[jmcgowanjm]

28. Don't worry, This is everyone learns History time

One way or another.

The 1st exam should come Thanksgiving Eve:
during the 3:45PME news dump.
ROTFLMAO take on RedStates:

Now some of you may have a problem with the gas-them-
all theory, because most Middle Americans are quite nice
when you meet them in person. Nicer, in fact, than city folk in
the Blue States. If they saw you bleeding on the side of the
road, they'd help nurse you back to health rather than run
you over like in the LA or New York. But as Ash would say, "It's
a trick." These people want to swallow your soul, quite
literally.

The fact is that if these people ran America, it would have
been like Bolivia, just a shitty Third World country with a
resentful local population and a few big unfinished public
works projects sitting idle. Middle America only exists because
of the coastal states. The rest of the country provides nothing
but cheap labor and farm land. But now, thanks to
genetic engineering and cheap Chinese labor, we don't
need you fucks anymore. So it's off to heaven with you. Fire
up the crop dusters and prepare the Trident-IIs for
launching, blue America. With the eXile solution, the world
is about to become a better, safer, and leaner
place.

http://www.exile.ru/2004-November-13/moscow_babylon.html

Thanx to:

www.xymphora.com
for this.

[Briar]

30. The "average American"

gives at least one shit. Fifty nine million voted for this sort of slaughter, not against it. They like it. They like it so much they returned a certain little shit to office to keep it going.

[Massachusetts]

31. Agreed

Briar, you are correct, I'll narrow the window on Americans who "don't give a shit.":toast:

[bin.dare]

44. Sorry, but Kerry planned the same old, same old

as regards Iraq, there was not a penny's worth of difference between Kerry and shrub, and 50+ million voted for him. That makes more than 100 million americans voting for these atrocities. i'm sorry, but its true.

[pbartch]

47. UNLESS YOU CAN DOCUMENT YOUR STATEMENT

I wouldn't post what you said. WHERE IS YOUR LINK?????????

you said "I'm sorry, but it's true."

WELL THEN DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT!

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. Bush's reaction to the news that 73 women and children

had just been buried in a mass grave in Iraq.



Only 73? Oh, I was hoping it would be more.

[wovenpaint]

41. What a "lovely" photo

He disgraces that beautiful textile-that ignorant/arrogant face!
:puke:

[NJCher]

23. every day it gets worse

How much longer can we go on like this?

Cher

[jmcgowanjm]

24. As-Saqlawiyah residents bury 103 civilian bodies

As-Saqlawiyah residents bury 103 civilian bodies from a
small part of al-Fallujah as Americans tell them to leave
the bodies of Resistance fighters for the dogs to
eat.

The Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in al-Fallujah
reported Saturday that the operation to collect and bury
the bodies of victims killed by the US assault on al-Fallujah
is still under way. The number of bodies buried as of
yesterday, Friday, was 103, among them were a number
of women and children.

The correspondent wrote in a dispatch posted Saturday
at 8:25pm Mecca time, that the last batch of victims’
bodies consisted of 20 corpses, none of which showed signs
of being struck by any sort of weapon or ammunition.
Their clothing was also not torn or burned. The bodies,
however, were blackened due to the Americans’ use of
some internationally banned chemical weapons with which
they bombarded the city.

It appears that US forces used two types of chemical gas,
since the first batch of bodies were swollen and yellowed.
The 103 bodies that have been buried so far were all picked
up from a small part of the al-Jawlan neighborhood, an
area comprising about 15 percent of the
neighborhood.

http://uruknet.info/.?p=m7455

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. Jesus. These are America's killing fields.

Why couldn't we just kill every third Iraqi male walking out of Falluja, instead of what we did? This is a public relation nightmare!

[fedsron2us]

32. In most previous empires killing was a means to an end.

Now it seems to have become an end in itself.

When is this madness going to stop ?

[grumpy old fart]

33. Reality Check

Why are we so willing to take Arab news reports at face value, when we recognize that U.S. news reports should not be taken that way? Let's keep some perspective here people. There is no more detail or verifiable "facts" in this report of mass graves and napalm than there are to the U.S. reports of few civilian casualties.

[Cocoa]

35. this al Jezeera story is properly qualified

it says right up front that it is not verified, and that there are no reports of the U.S. using napalm in Fallujah. (although I believe that napalm was used in the original invasion, and that it wasn't a secret).

Very often, U.S. media stories are much less responsible than this al Jezeera one, they completely fail to qualify them, they report Pentagon-generated fictions as things that actually happened.

[grumpy old fart]

37. I agree, but

The point I was making is that so many just jump right in believing the account, ignoring the clear qualifier properly put on it by Al-Jazeera.

[sangh0]

64. SO if AJ says it's "not verified"

why do some posters believe it?

[Ms_Mary]

38. You think so? Denial only contributes to the problem. nt

n

[grumpy old fart]

46. As does blind acceptence...

of anything that happens to fit your world view. Critical thinking is always the key to understanding....

[Ms_Mary]

48. No argument from me there.

[GetTheRightVote]

50. I as so sick to my stomach, I hate the schrub

down with the schrub, down with the murderer,
the chileans are so correct in roiting the streets as they did,
my question is why are the people in this country not doing it ??

My God, may he watch over us, I could just puck all over schrub for these killing actions.

[DrWeird]

62. Oh, yes.

I'm sure blowing the hell at of Fallujah only resulted in a few civilian casualties.

:eyes:

[pa28]

54. Not in my name. n/t

[Zhade]

58. Unless you pay taxes, of course. Then it's in your name. Mine too.

That's why I'm moving to Canada - no more subsidizing murderous American imperialism for me.

[Zhade]

55. Notice something about al Jazeera?

"We buried them here, but we could not identify them because they were charred by the use of napalm bombs used by the Americans," said one Saqlawiya resident in footage aired on Sunday.

There have been no reports of the US military using napalm in Falluja and no independent verification of the above statements.

America corporate media would simply relate the he said/she said portion without any such fact-checking.

[sangh0]

63. Do the posters here actually believe this story?

I'm not saying it's not true, but I don't consider an article from Al Jazera to be proof.

I'll wait for confirmation

[Djinn]

67. no media report is ever PROOF

all media has a bias and as we're sitting across the ocean we'll never know exactly waht is happening in Iraq.

BUT as a news junkie I'm happy to place the credibilty of Al Jazeera above either CNN or Faux (obv) and also above NPR these days.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

65. Oh the humanity

Truly deplorable. Blow up the hospital first off, slaughter people praying in a mosque, napalm women and children indiscriminately.

When shall these bastards be indicted for war crimes?! When!?