UKRAINE GRIPPED BY POLL TURMOIL

[Baja Margie]

BBC 4/22/04 16:13 GMT

Ukraine Gripped By Poll Turmoil

" Tens of thousands of Ukranians have thronged major cities, protesting at an election result they condsider flawed. Opposition leader Viktor Yuschenko told supporters to stage a civil disobedience campaign..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4031981.stm



Gee, wish the DNC or SOMEONE would step up to the bat and do the same thing here, looks like they kind of have their shit together over there.

[htuttle]

1. Well, there's the difference right there

"Opposition leader Viktor Yuschenko told supporters to stage a civil disobedience campaign..."

We need to find ourselves one of those Opposition Leaders.

[masaka___]

3. For real! Why can't we be more like them?

This makes me want to quit my job and start doing something more meaningful to get this country back on track.

[cheezus]

4. but, but, but... that would be bad for corporate profits!

and the USofA CAN'T have a leader who isn't beholden to the corporations. it's in the constitution or something

[bloom]

6. I was just saying

last night that we needed a leader and someone was acting like I was ridiculous.

I think it makes all the difference. Some of are out in the streets - doing this and that protesting. But other people won't unless they are led - maybe they want to have some sense that it is going somewhere.

[alittlelark]

2. I'm soo proud of them!!!

Their leader LED them....ours conceeded.

[Moderator]

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[Baja Margie]

8. Roger that.

Here's somemore, check it out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4033475.stm


"...but the opposition says it has recorded many thousands of irregularities in the poll-including very high turnouts in government strongholds..."


SOUND FAMILIAR?


Folks, we are living in a Corporate dominated bullshit Democracy. No wonder why Putin is always kissing Bush's ass.

[Tempest]

7. Exit polls had opposition candidate winning

Have to wonder how much of a hand the U.S. neocons had in Ukraine's election.

[Wright Patman]

10. If the neocons

had any influence, the opposition leader would have won. It is Putin's candidate who is being declared the winner. It looks like Ukraine east of the Dnepr River is their version of Florida.

[Tempest]

13. It's more than a coincidence...

That Putin's candidate was declared the winner the same day Russia dropped its opposition to Bush's Iraqi debt forgiveness plan.

I smell a neocon rat.

[daleo]

15. I agree, the White House response has been pretty tepid

The media has also been pretty half-hearted in its objections to the Ukraine election, at least what I have read. An article today (in my local paper) mentioned a bus load of opposition supporters who lived 300 miles from Kiev, but tried to vote there because they were tourists. They claimed that being told to vote in their hometown was election fraud.

This example of election fraud seemed so preposterous, it made me think that it was just an empty gesture, and that perhaps Bush had agreed not to seriously contest the way the election went, like he had done a quid pro quo with Putin. Of course any Bush protestations would be wildly hypocritical (e.g. basing them on exit poll results), but that has never stopped him in the past.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

9. Didn't Kerry used to do stuff like this

before he became somebody?

Would that we had a leader who would lead the world to the steps of the White House in protest.

On the other hand, never mind. Go back to sleep, people. Nothing to see here.

Where's Kerry?

[leftchick]

11. Imagine that! A country where people FIGHT for their vote!

And have someone LEAD them. This makes me even more pissed at
'The Raw Deal'!

:grr:

[deutsey]

12. Wow. What is this "Opposition Leader" thing of which they speak?

:shrug:

[JohnLocke]

14. kick for Yuschenko and a just tally

[Ima]

16. I'm not gonna say anything.

I'm not gonna say anything.
I'm not gonna say anything.
I'm not gonna say anything.
I'm not gonna say anything.
I'm not gonna say anything.
I'm not gonna say anything.



Still waiting for the rabbit to come out of the hat.

[Vidar]

17. leaders actually have balls

Three cheers to where the leaders actually have balls. Remember when Yeltsin faced down the tanks during the coup against Gorbachev. Here, politicians park their courage at the door as the corporate fee to play the game. Though a democrat, I'm far prouder of our third party candidates' performance at this point.

[Allan Stagg]

18. The Ukrainians Can Come Up With A Plan But We Haven't?!?!?

Thousands of opposition demonstrators continue to flood the heart of the Ukrainian capital Kiev rallying for pro-western liberal Viktor Yushchenko, charging their presidential election that gave Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych a narrow victory was rigged and calling for the result to be annulled. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4034287.stm

Sound familiar?

Yet despite the GROWING evidence of voter fraud in OUR Presidential Election (of which the following links merely offer a sampling)...

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/index.html

http://www.votersunite.org/

http://www.campaignwatch.org/2004%20U_S_%20presidential%20election%20controversy%20-%20Wikipedia,%20the%20free%20encyclopedia.htm

http://www.helpamericarecount.org/

http://www.votergate.tv/

http://blog.democrats.com/node/819

http://www.votewatch.us/

...WE SIT AT HOME!?!

The Electoral Vote is next month.

What are we waiting for? Where´s the DNC? Is everyone on Prozac?

Helloooooo out there?

:wtf:

[Jack Rabbit]

19. Take note, America

This is how one is supposed to deal with fraudulent elections.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

21. Also note how the media doesn't fudge the numbers swarming in the

Ukraine. Back home the headline would be "Hundreds Protest."


Ukraine Parliament

[truebluecollar]

20. Whoda thunk

that we Americans would be given a lesson in democracy by a former Soviet republic.

[Jose Diablo]

22. How did our party leaders become such wimps

Something is wrong in our country. Do you suppose the estrogen in the chicken is causing our balls to shrivel-up.