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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:07 PM
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GAO to Conduct Investigation 2004 Election irregularities
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 03:09 PM by seemslikeadream
PRESS RELEASE
House Committee on the Judiciary
Government Accountability Office to Conduct Investigation
of 2004 Election Irregularities
(Washington, DC) -- Reps. John Conyers, Jr., Jerrold Nadler, Robert Wexler, Robert Scott, and Rush Holt announced today that, in response to their November 5 and 8 letters to the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the GAO has decided to move forward with an investigation of election irregularities in the 2004 election. The five Members issued the following statement:

"We are pleased that the GAO has reviewed the concerns expressed in our letters and has found them of sufficient merit to warrant further investigation. On its own authority, the GAO will examine the security and accuracy of voting technologies, distribution and allocation of voting machines, and counting of provisional ballots. We are hopeful that GAO's non-partisan and expert analysis will get to the bottom of the flaws uncovered in the 2004 election. As part of this inquiry, we will provide copies of specific incident reports received in our offices, including more than 57,000 such complaints provided to the House Judiciary Committee.


"The core principle of any democracy is the consent of the governed. All Americans, no matter how they voted, need to have confidence that when they cast their ballot, their voice is heard."

The Members listed above were joined in requesting the non-partisan GAO investigation by Reps. Melvin Watt, John Olver, Bob Filner, Gregory Meeks, Barbara Lee, Tammy Baldwin, Louise Slaughter and George Miller.

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny08_nadler/GAOupdate112304.html
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:09 PM
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1. yay
i think
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the ether Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:13 PM
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3. the GAO is supposed to be one of the most objective offices, but....



I hope its investigation doesn't falsely add legitimacy to what probably is a fraudulent election.



Gotta keep pushing......



no matter what.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:33 PM
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16. The Supreme Court was supposed to be that too.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
21. They've been slapped around already by the administration,
were actually taken to court already to challenge and limit their authority.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. Maybe they'll remember that slap
like an elephant remembers abuse. Could work in our favor.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:40 PM
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40. It used to be. But the Bushistas took away the civil service ...
... protections of GAO staff at the same time they changed the name from "General Accounting Office" to "Government Accountability Office." So it's easier to get fire GAO staff now, and hence the Administration can effectively pressure GAO to "support *."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. kick
:hi:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #3
49. Just anecdotal, but I know someone who works
there -- an atty. He's definitely a liberal, and from the way he spoke, plenty of his co-workers are, too.

Maybe there's hope. Better, maybe there's some integrity left in people, regardless of political persuasion.
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marmadogg Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:18 PM
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5. Definite yay!
This will make a difference as it will add unquestionable legitimacy.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. hey dogg, is that you?
weLcome to the dark side. :D

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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:23 PM
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12. unquestionable legitimacy for who?
n/t
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:11 PM
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2. They'll get the information to us right after we learn who was in Cheney's
energy task force, that is if anyone cares anymore.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:20 PM
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8. Ya Got that Right!
No doubt they can be and are objective...

Just a small step in the right direction.
But a long way from disqualifying the self proclaimed winner.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. maybe enough to ultimately get a special prosecutor?
get some bushco operatives under oath?
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:16 PM
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4. OMG! My Letter to GAO must have had some Impact!

Thank You, DU for posting the address!

Gotta Keep On Keepin' On!
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KeireG Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:19 PM
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6. Horray!
This is truly great news for everyone.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Hallellejah
Maybe there is a sliver of Democracy left.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:22 PM
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10. so NOW does the media have to acknowledge
the elephant in the living room?
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. I was thinking the same thing - but I won't hold my breath!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:23 PM
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11. Is a single Republican endorsing/sponsoring this move?
Have there been any "glitches" or "irregularites" that favored Kerry?

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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. I haven't seen a single repuke whether in congress or
a pundit. They don't care about democracy. Their guy got in, so they won't question it. I really feel if it was the other way around, a few Democrats would question it.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. There have to be some
that favor Kerry just because there have to be some that are true
random errors. I'm sure some will be dug up and repeated over and over and over and over to make it seem less lopsided.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:37 PM
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20. I doubt it. Then Repugs, would have no excuse to not want an investigation
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 03:39 PM by Dr Fate
the "Kerry did it too" excuse does not work- b/c then they will have a reason to also support an investigation.
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #19
48. The only glitch I can think of..
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 10:24 AM by KDLarsen
.. was that Bush was removed from the ballot in some counties - but the very counties had also managed to remove Kerry from the ballot in some cases.

Other than that, every single glitch I've heard of, was in favor of either Bush* or the Republican causes.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #11
22. Ignoring it is their way of belittling the effort, imo.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. But what if some of the "glitches" favor Kerry???
Then what is their excuse then?
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. It proves the voting process is totally unreliable.
I'm for a recount because there were too many questions about the machines, the right-leaning officials in key states and precincts and because voter suppression continued, even after 2000, virtually without consequence. I fully expect, and may even have read about, incidents where some votes were misapplied in Kerry's favor.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
44. Good- then Repubs. have no excuse for not being behind an investigation...
The issue should be framed this way, in my opinion.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:27 PM
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14. more than 57,000 such complaints provided to the House Judiciary Committee
:toast:
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indigo11153 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:33 PM
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17. Great News
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 03:34 PM by indigo11153
This is the first shot. Where the hell is the MSM. how long can they hide this?!:grr:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. The story is up on CNN on line right now for what it's worth.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. 'bout time
one small step for mankind....one giant bounce for democracy.

:bounce:
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:02 PM
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29. Here is the link to CNN's story
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:46 PM
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25. One small step towards democracy,...one great leap for humanity,...
,...i hope i hope i hope :bounce:
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postswithafist Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:50 PM
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26. Ukraine Riots over Exit Poll Data! Where's ours?
See this link that talk about the exit poll data not supporting the outcomes.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1124/p01s04-woeu.html

Clearly the media has the exit poll data from Ohio and FL why don't they let it out!

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:31 PM
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30.  House members ready to contest election if 1 Sen will join in
THIS IS BIG: House members ready to contest election if 1 Sen will join in


This is from an email sent out by Congressional Candidate Mike Byron. Apparently, the House Dems are ready to contest the election if one Senator will join in. SO PLEASE CONTACT YOUR SENATOR AND ASK THEM TO CONTEST THE ELECTION. Also, please keep this kicked.

FYI,



Last week I requested that Cong. Bob Filner join in with other members of Congress in requesting an investigation by the General Accounting Office of apparent voting irregularities and discrepancies arising from the Nov. 2nd election. In agreeing to take this action, I received the below reply from his Campaign Manager Frank Salazar on the Congressman’s behalf. Note this excerpt (quoting Cong. Barbara Lee) from that reply:



“One senator and one House Representative are required to contest an election result prior to inauguration.

But, certainly, the more Congresspeople the merrier. The questions remains, however, which, if any, Senator will stand up for democracy? Will it be Barbara Boxer, the so-called 3rd-most vote getter in the 2004 election? Or will we have another terrible scene like the one from Fahrenheit 911 where not one Senator will contest?”

Perhaps WE should be asking Sen Boxer to be that Senator. Particularly if clear evidence of voting misconduct in Ohio, Florida, or any other states arises. There is already, sufficient evidence of massive interference with the Ohio election http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/89... to meet this standard. Also Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org has uncovered significant physical evidence of vote stealing in Florida (see http://www.blackboxvoting.org for details).



In conjunction with the several statistical studies showing massive and astronomically improbable irregularities in reported vote totals and their divergences from scientifically valid exit polls (see http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/112004Waldman/112004wa... for a concise summary) it is clear that something is very seriously amiss with respect to the reported results of (s)election 2004…



I thank Cong. Filner for standing up bravely for our democracy, and think that as soon as we can see the totality of credible, specific evidence that is uncovered, that we should unleash a letter, e-mail, phone and fax, campaign to request Sen. Boxer to join with members of the House (see Cong. Barbara Lee’s letter just below Cong. Filner’s below appended reply to my query) in contesting the suspect election results on Jan 6th. As this investigation may take some time Bush’s inauguration as “President” will have to be canceled pending the outcome of the investigation…as is appropriate in a lawful, Constitution abiding society.



Please forward.



Mike Byron




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bob Filner for Congress <mailto:info@bobfilnerforcongress.com >
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:31 AM
To: Mike Byron
Subject: 14 House Dems Demand GAO Election Probe (FILNER)



Please circulate Mike, thanks!

November 23, 2004

14 House Dems Demand GAO Election Probe

A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
by Matthew Cardinale

Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) has asked to become the 14th signatory
of the GAO letter demanding an investigation in electronic voting. This information was confirmed by a staffer, Theresa, in the U.S. House Judiciary Office, on November 22, 2004.

As of this writing, Schakowsky's signature has not been submitted to the GAO.

However, the GAO has received letters of concern with 13 signatories thus far:

John Conyers (D-MI)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Robert Wexler (D-FL)
Robert Scott (D-GA)
Melvin Watt (D-NC)
Rush Holt (D-NJ)
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Louise Slaughter (D-NY)
George Miller (D-CA)
John Olver (D-MA)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Gregory Meeks (D-NY)
Barbara Lee (D-CA)
Plus
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)

Also, Congressman Barbara Lee of California issued the following statement on November 15th:

“The right to vote and the right to have our votes counted are both fundamental to our democratic system of government,” said Lee.

“As elected representatives of the people, we hold a sacred responsibility to every voter across this nation to ensure that their vote is counted and recorded properly. We cannot, and we should not accept any flaws in our election process.”

Julie Nickson, press secretary for Barbara Lee, added, "She signed it because she was aware of the situation. We got some phone calls from constituents."

The letter, or set of letters, is addressed to The Honorable David M. Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, General Accountability Office.

The first letter begins, "We write with an urgent request that the GAO immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to the difficulties they encountered, and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration."

Particular concerns brought up are:

-The almost 4,000 votes awarded to Bush in Columbus, Ohio, reported by the AP, which was only noticeable because more votes were recorded in the precinct than there were registered voters.

-Votes lost on a local initiative in Florida because the computer could only store so many votes.

-Apx. 4,500 votes lost in one North Carolina county.

-A glitch in San Francisco computers which caused many votes to be uncounted.

-Florida's anomalous results where only districts with touch screen voting had disproportionate votes for Bush than expected. This analysis has since
been duplicated by a UC Berkeley professor and others.

-AP reports in Florida and Ohio of voters who stated when using touchscreens, when they selected "John Kerry," that instead "George Bush" would appear on the screen.

-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all. The second letter, dated, November 8th, reported additional incidents.

-3,000 phantom votes were added by a Nebraska "vote tabulator" which doubled the votes.

-22,000 North Carolina votes which later had to be added because the computer initially discarded them due to system overload.

-21 voting machines in Broward County, Florida, malfunctioned, eliminating prior votes that had been cast on them in this most-Democratic county in the state.

-Warren County, Ohio's, bogus refusal allow independent monitoring of vote counting based on a terrorist incident which turned out later to not exist.

-Malfunctioning vote cassettes in Palm Beach, FL.

-Boxes of absentee votes discovered after the election in a Broward County election office.

Notably, nine (9) out of the current 14 supporters are members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC). They are Barbara Lee (who is a leader of the Caucus), along with John Conyers, Jerold Nadler, Melvin Watt, Tammy Baldin, George Miller, John Olver, Bob Filner, and Jan Schakowsky. According to the CPC website, there are currently 55
congressional members on the Progressive Caucus. For a list of members, see: http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp

One notable Progressive Caucus member who has not signed on is House Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who is also the current House Minority Leader.

Another curious absence is Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), former presidential candidate, who otherwise is taking a prominent role in the Ohio voter testimony hearings currently taking place.

Most mainstream media accounts actually still list there being 3 signatories, but that was only the first, original letter. CBS and others have been reporting 6 signatories.

But, don't be sad. America isn't so far into hell in a handbasket that we couldn't come up with more than 6 Representatives. We now have 14.

The chronology has been as follows. First, Congressman Conyers, Wexler, and Nadler wrote a letter to the GAO on November 5. This letter is available at: http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2...

The names of Scott, Watt, and Holt, were added in a second letter sent November 8, which outlined additional voting problems as well as increased the number of congressional signatures to six (6). This letter is available at:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2...

On November 17, two additional letters were sent. First, a letter adding the signatures of Tammy Baldwin, Louise Slaughter, and George Miller, was sent, increasing the number of signatures to nine (9). A copy of this letter is available at:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2...

A second letter dated November 17--fourth letter overall--was sent to the GAO which added John Olner, Bob Filner, Gregory Meeks, and Barbara Lee.

This brought the number of signatures to thirteen (13). Which, adding today's announcement by Schakowsky, brings the total to fourteen (14) signatures. A scanned copy of the second letter from November 17th is available at: http://www.house.gov/lee/releases/04nov15.htm

One senator and one House Representative are required to contest an election result prior to inauguration.

But, certainly, the more Congresspeople the merrier. The questions remains, however, which, if any, Senator will stand up for democracy? Will it be Barbara Boxer, the so-called 3rd-most vote getter in the 2004 election? Or will we have another terrible scene like the one from Fahrenheit 911 where not one Senator will contest?

Only time will tell, but my guess is that the progressive community has done so much organizing in the past four years that, even if there isn't a change in the election outcome, there will at least be some serious hearings and reform legislation to mend and improve our flawed, flawed process.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/11/con04514.ht...

-----------------------------------------

Frank G. Salazar

Campaign Manager

Bob Filner for Congress-Fighting for Us!

619-425-1998 office

619-425-1986 fax

for all working links original thread
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:35 PM
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31. even though he's retiring what about Bob Graham? Is he eligible to
endorse it?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:29 PM
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36. Kick for later - when I can write and call
This is great news.
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Baja Margie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:36 PM
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32. Good
However, I don't mean to be a pesimist, but I'm wondering if this group really has any teeth and won't turn out to be just another Warren Commission. If nothing comes of this, then I guess we'll all know the answer to that.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:43 PM
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33. Bump
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:44 PM
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34. GREAT news. Nominated for homepage. Thank you! n/t
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:41 PM
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37. Sounds good...
like everything else these crooks in DC say. I have never been so cynical in my life; therefore, making this a "yawwwwwwwn" story for me. No disrespect meant to you, seemslikeadream, I still haven't recovered from the 2nd election coup.

Jenn
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:15 PM
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38. Does CNN Know Something?
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 06:17 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/23/election.investigation/index.html

from 2004 Election Results and Discussion

AimeeMM (47 posts) Tue Nov-23-04 03:07 PM
Original message
Bev Harris on CNN tonight


I just got this email from the Office Manager of our newly formed Florida Fair Elections Coalition in Voluisa Co. Florida. (www.floridafairelections.org )

"If you are interested in what we have been doing in the last week, watch CNN News at 9:00 or 10:00 tonight. They interviewed Bev Harris of Black Box Voting in our headquarters. Susan has been very actively investigating this election with Black Box while I have been maintaining the office. For more information on the Black Box Activity, go to www.blackboxvoting.org and scroll down to
Volusia County."

I'm heading up to the office shortly to see what's going on!


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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:46 AM
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45. Anything enlightening from the Harris interview?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:51 AM
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46. The interview was talked about here
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:37 PM
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39. BEV HARRIS INTERVIEW TONIGHT 10 PM AARON BROWN
:toast:
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:29 PM
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42. KICK
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:37 PM
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43. I hope they do better than the 911 commission.
It would be nice to think that Bushco can be held accountable to something.

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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:58 AM
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47. IIRC the GAO is at the same level as the IRS
probably don't want to piss them off, nor do you want to be investigated by them. This is good news. Does anyone have any info about how fast they move? Will it be years before we see results of their investigation?
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