CyberNET Group CEO killed during standoff

[seemslikeadream]

(Ada Township, November 24, 2004, 10:50 a.m.) Barton Watson was found dead in his home after being involved in a standoff with police.

The incident follows a federal investigation of The CyberNET Group in Grand Rapids that began last week involving a massive fraud probe.

The incident began when police say Barton Watson called them around midnight saying he wanted to hurt himself. Authorities came to Watson's house in the hopes of stopping him from harming himself. They talked with Watson for sometime and knew he was alone in his house with a gun.

"Within an hour of us coming out here, around 1:00 or 1:30 a.m., officers did hear gun shots within the house. They didn't feel that those were shot towards the officers, but that did concern the officers on the scene," Sergeant Roger Parent of the Kent County Sheriff's Department told 24 Hour News 8.

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http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2610146&nav=0RceTV25

[whistle]

1. What would prompt the CEO of CyberNET to want to kill himself?

[seemslikeadream]

2. Lawsuit filed against The CyberNET Group in Grand Rapids

(Grand Rapids, November 19, 2004, 6:01 p.m.) A lawsuit has now been filed against a Grand Rapids Internet company after federal agents raided the building.

On Wednesday, federal investigators shut down The CyberNET Group on South Division Avenue and locked employees out. Sources tell 24 Hour News 8 that investigators were looking for evidence of wire, mail, and bank fraud. They hauled away computers and financial records linked to the company.

Employees returned to work Friday for the time since the raid. They entered through a backdoor of the world headquarters facility on South Division Avenue.

Now 24 Hour News 8 has obtained copies of a lawsuit filed Thursday against CyberCo, the parent company of The CyberNet Group. Fraud is one of the allegations outlined in the lawsuit.

In the lawsuit, Charter One Vendor Finance of Illinois says it loaned The CyberNET Group $3 million so the company could buy 66 computer servers. But in the lawsuit, Charter One said it could only find evidence of 25 servers at the company's Grand Rapids' headquarters, and The CyberNET Group could not provide an explanation. Charter One believes The CyberNET Group misused the loaned money and used false information to secure the loan.

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http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2591580&nav=0RceTLbh


DeVos and VanAndel

Employees return to work at The CyberNET Group after federal raid
24 Hour News 8 has uncovered some more information about a raid involving five agencies at The CyberNET Group building on South Division Avenue in Grand Rapids Wednesday morning.

The federal agents brought in truckloads of equipment and seized all electronic data including computers and financial information connected to the company.

The CyberNET Group hosts Internet Web sites for companies and holds electronic data for them. The company is based in Grand Rapids with 120 employees, and about 1,000 worldwide in Chicago, Las Vegas, the United Kingdom, Philippines, Australia, Hong Kong and China.

Some of the companies clients include DeVos Place and the Van Andel Arena, whose Web sites were down Wednesday during the raid.
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http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2578803&nav=0RceTEfz


DeVos and VanAndel.

These names are the founders of the Amway corporation and have considerable influence on the city of Grand Rapids.

The Creation Research Society
The Van Andel Creation Research Center is strategically located in or near a very large variety of biological and geological areas of great importance to the creationist position. The Grand Canyon, just two hours to the north, is perhaps the most geologically interesting area in the U.S. A wide variety of biological habitats is relatively easy to access from the Research Center. Both high altitude montane communities and Sonoran Desert Saguaro cactus communities are within a two-hour drive

http://www.creationresearch.org/vacrc.html

Mrs. Van Andel, of Ada, was known in the Grand Rapids area as a longtime volunteer for many charities and civic organizations. Forbes magazine listed her husband in 2002 as the 131st richest person in the United States with assets of about $1.5 billion.

“Betty was an inspiration to everyone she met,” Amway co-founder Rich DeVos said in a statement. “She was a dedicated wife, mother and grandmother whose compassion enriched many lives.”
http://www.detnews.com/2004/obituaries/0401/21/b02-41576.htm

Former Federal Auditor Turned Whistleblower and FBI Witness Speaks


According to www.merchantsofdeception.com, these political ties, involving huge political contributions and large speaking fees for prominent Republican leaders (including former Presidents), have resulted in a massive $280 million tax break for the Amway Corporation, the largest multi-level marketing company (MLM), as well as immunity for Amway and companies of this type from investigations of possible violations of anti-pyramid scheme statutes. The "business" has brought in well in excess of $20 billion to date.

www.merchantsofdeception.com is published by Eric Scheibeler, a former federal auditor and later a ranking Amway insider who turned whistleblower and FBI witness. Scheibeler was instrumental in providing key documentation to "Dateline NBC" in its May 7, 2004, hidden camera exposé of Amway/Quixtar's "secret" pyramid business run by Amway/Quixtar "kingpins." "Dateline NBC" reported that the FBI and the IRS are conducting investigations based partly on information disclosed in the report.

A life-long conservative, Scheibeler details GOP donations and corporate promotion that have allegedly resulted in political protection and benefits for the MLM industry. An audiotape of former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich promoting Amway at a large Amway meeting is included on the site. The site details public speaking fees to Gingrich in the $50,000 range. Gingrich arranged a reported last-minute modification in a comprehensive tax bill that allegedly provided a $283 million tax break to just one company -- Amway. Also on the site are audio clips of then Texas governor George W. Bush and one sent by high-level kingpin distributors from a private meeting within the White House.

"The GOP seems to have been hijacked by political payoffs from an industry that is rife with consumer deception, and bogus 'business opportunity' selling," Scheibeler stated. "Whether you are a Democrat or Republican, we can agree it is time this secret influence peddling and the harm it causes consumers and our democracy are revealed. I was on the inside. I saw it with my own eyes. I also have the documents, financials, and the audio and video tapes to prove it."

The site also calls to task the Federal Trade Commission -- currently chaired by Bush administration appointee Timothy Muris, whose law firm represented Amway -- for its alleged failure to investigate or prosecute pyramid sales schemes, despite multiple well-documented complaints.

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http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1004-insight-Former+Federal+Auditor+Turned+Whistleblower-status-25-newsID-21378.html

Multimillionaires funding expensive pro-Bush 527 ads
By Geoff Earle

A billionaire, a professional sports magnate, a Texas oilman and the founders of Amway are funding the most expensive ad buy of the presidential campaign.

The $14 million ad, which began airing in key markets this month, shows President Bush hugging a teenage girl whose mother died in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The ad was paid for by the Progress for America Voter Fund, a 527 group that has run TV ads for Bush and against Sen. John Kerry.
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http://www.thehill.com/news/102704/multimillionaires.aspx

[amelia]

6. Does Amway influence it's employees?

I just talked to a woman who I see occasionally because we share the same work position. I went to her house to pickup something and I saw all of her bush stickers and bumper stickers etc. I had on my old "Re-elect Gore in 2004" t-shirt. We were joking about my shirt and her stickers. She is devoted to her party just as I am to mine, but we are very friendly about it. She's a very nice person. She isn't a political junkie like I am though and doesn't know of all the corporations that influence her party and the issues that affect her life just like they so mine.

As we were talking about politics, she told me that she had registered as a Democrat along with her husband, when they were married. I asked her why they had changed their politics, and she said they changed their politics when they started to work for Amway, and that working at Amway allowed them to buy their home. At the time, I wondered what that had to do with her politics, but I didn't ask her about it. I have never heard about all the controversy about Amway and it's republican ties. This explains what she meant about working for Amway and changing her politics.

I'm just guessing that Amway probably influences it's workers in politics.

I just wanted to let you know about this little story, because it is so strange that I just talked to her yesterday, and then I read your post this morning. It just is really weird, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone you know? It was just a bizarre episode (at least to me) I feel like these right wing influences are like an evil mist that are just drifting into every facet of my life.

[tanyev]

14. There's a lot of mind control

flowing down that Amway pyramid. My ex-husband got sucked into Amway for a while. It's not just selling products, it's a way of life.

He went to local meetings, listened endlessly to their motivational tapes, and went to at least one weekend pep rally in Memphis. Pretty soon I was hearing how embarrassed he was that I wouldn't do any of it with him. (Never mind that I already had 2 jobs and was keeping the roof over our heads. Never mind that had I gotten involved I would have had 3 jobs and he would have been back in the LaZBoy.) He would talk about what great marriages and families his "upline" had. I couldn't stand to listen to any of the tapes but I'm sure there was plenty of "God will make you rich if you live your life right" philosophy on them.

I recently saw a news feature on the Amway/Quixar big shots and it explained that how they really made their money is from the motivational tapes and seminars. Nobody makes it rich in Amway just from selling lots of soap.

Oh, and the great marriages in my ex-husband's upline? I worked in a county records agency and was pretty amused to see a big fat divorce case come through a couple years after my divorce. It was the couple at the top of the local pyramid and they were divvying up all their Amway assets.

[w4rma]

20. Amway co-founder,Richard DeVos is a longtime GOP benefactor.

Bill Britt, who probably has the largest organisation under him within Amway, is also a Republican, I believe.

But, I'm positive that there are many many Democrats within the system and they do not descriminate on race, religion or whatever. Although the buisness plan Bill Britt used to build his connections was decidedly evangelical in nature.

That said. As someone who used to be in Amway, and may rejoin at some point in the future, their buisness plan does indeed work very well and, imho, as long as the base of the pyramids have room to expand then it's an ethical buisness plan that enables *anyone* to become wealthy through hard work.

The plan is really all about statistics. You talk to enough people and eventually someone will join under you to help you and themselves out. Keep throwing the mud onto the wall and eventually *someone* will join with the willpower and enthusiasm to do what you are doing, etc. etc. etc. Once you get enough people then their own motivation grows the enterprise more and more and eventually you can step back and put in only minor work (such as traveling occasionally to help others in the system by teaching them what you know).

One thing that is very good about their system is that *anyone* can become a leader through it and there is more than enough room for every motivated person within the buisness to do that (as long as the buisness never totally saturates the markets).

Also note that noone in the system is allowed to use mass media, to an extent, to promote the buisness which is why you never see adverts about it. It all has to be done through word of mouth so that the proper folks get the credit.

[rooboy]

25. Bill Britt's not the biggest...

Dexter Yager is bigger than Britt, although they use very similar methods to make their money. They're actually good friends - I believe that Britt is technically part of Yager's group, although they have their own training and motivational systems.

The main income is in the weekly tapes and functions. The fact is that the business DOESN'T produce the income that people think. The incomes that people like Britt and Yager brag about are nowhere near covered by the bonus checks they get from Amway. In a lawsuits brought by distributors against Yager et al, it was established that somewhere near 95% of Yager's income came from the sale of motivational tools.

In one lawsuit, a diamond admitted that the money they collect at a Sunday morning "worship" service was pocketed by himself and other distributors.

I used to be in the business in Australia, where there are at least 30 Yager diamonds. One diamond has committed suicide, and one Emerald's wife but on her best dress and killed herself as well. Many of them no longer have an organization at all.

Former diamond Bo Short has a good site explaining this. Check out www.formerdiamond.com.

[w4rma]

33. Ugh. Idiots.

They are killing the goose that laid the golden eggs for them out of greed. That corruption has tanted the whole enterprise and seemingly noone with enough power is willing to or can stop them.

And for what? So they can redirect more funds towards themselves, when they could have instead agreed to pass down the tool money to the lower levels and make their money in the long run.

Note that Bo Short was not among those who were profiting from the gouging of their downline through the tools and was making in the 6 digits before he couragously resigned for his ethics.

[rooboy]

22. Check out these three websites....

www.merchantsofdeception.com

www.formerdiamond.com

www.amquix.info

Amway is in for a BIG fall soon. Their kingpin distributors have been operating an illegal pyramid scheme, using the Amway business as cover. In a word, they're racketeering.

[vanboggie]

23. Not all buy into it

Not true to my knowledge. I know several Amway employees who are die-hard Dems or Greens. You don't have to be Pug to work there and there isn't a concentrated effort to sway political views.

[BamaBecky]

13. Seemslikeadream - I have a question

I read all of this. I know we are talking about scams, money laundering, bank fraud on a grand scale.......do we yet know what the object of all their criminal "games" were? Was it just personal greed, or were their schemes more sophisticated than that with some "desired end" in sight?

[seemslikeadream]

15. With the help from you BamaBecky

we may just be able to figure that out!

Much more than personal greed I would say.

And thanks for being here. I'm ashamed for the way some have been treated in 2004 Election Results and Discussion, sorry for that.

[whistle]

21. Yep, that pretty much says it all, how about the Landmark Forum people

...they are in lock step with these multi-level marketing people and also have infiltrated every level of government, education and professional institutions in this country. I would not be surprised if Dubya himself has been drawn into these self help cretins.

[KingChicken]

5. My brother works for CyberNET

Everyone is shaken up right now, it's really tragic. Last week he was living the high life, now he live's no more. They repossesed all of his stuff, and they are taking apart the company right now. 550 worldwide employees, I don't know what everyone is going to do.

I feel bad for Barton Watson, but I know he was a really smart guy, he knew what he was doing.

[seemslikeadream]

7. Thanks KingChicken

I hope you will keep us informed if you hear anything. But there maybe more to learn about Barton Watson.

:hi:

[KingChicken]

8. Apparently the fraud is pretty big, "tens of millions" is what I hear.

I was surprised to see this show up on DU, i didn’t even notice the DeVos name, even though I've done research on Amway, I totally missed it. I'm not sure exactly where the money was going but I guess their is a lot unaccounted for.

It looks like it started with the fake servers they were using as collateral for loans, but it turned out to be much bigger. I thought it was odd about the "empty servers" when my brother told me about it, they made the datacenter look good but beyond that no one knew it was a scam.

I will look into what the implications are for the company.

[seemslikeadream]

10. Take a look at this KingChicken

http://www.netmaxsucks.com/mystory.html

Is this the same company you were talking about?

[seemslikeadream]

9. Think prevention

Stryon (www.stryon.com ) has merged with Halcyon Software. The new company will focus on developing software that will help businesses move their older software, called legacy software, to newer operating environments. The merged company, retaining the name Stryon, is closely affiliated with The CyberNET Group, a global systems integration firm with operations throughout North America, Europe, South Africa, Asia, and Australia. CyberNET CEO Barton Watson comments, "The merger with Halcyon brings tremendous capabilities to Stryon" as it "can now provide a scope of application services never before available to middle market companies and enterprise accounts." Halcyon is a portfolio company of ChinaVest.(ChinaVest is one of the oldest and largest private equity firms exclusively targeting the rapidly growing Greater China market; China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Since 1985, it has raised more than US$300 million and developed a balanced portfolio of more than 40 companies.)

http://www.halcyonsoft.com/company.asp?s=4


How You Can Corral Legal Costs

....

The practice group is a form of "law-firm venture capital," says Barton Watson, a Morrison, Mahoney & Miller client and the owner of CyberNET Engineering, an 80-employee information-technology company based in Grand Rapids, Mich.

According to a number of knowledgeable observers, the Morrison, Mahoney & Miller example is not one that has been copied by many other law firms yet. Most small-business people, when they seek out legal advice, will not be walking into law firms that have tried to tailor their services to small-business needs.

But the owners of small companies have available an arsenal of techniques they can use to get the best possible legal representation at prices they can afford. Here are some guidelines:

Think prevention.

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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1154/is_2_87/ai_53664169

[KingChicken]

11. I just heard back from my brother, everyone was let go.

They just formally let all the CyberNET Engineering employees go, it's so sad to see this happen in the span of just one week, like having the rug pulled from under you. I don't think everyone will get paid for the last couple of weeks because the assets are frozen.

I could of never imagined it would come to this, after this business expanded it's operations so much and built a worldwide empire. Mr. Watson was an extremely talented business man, but unfortunately it had to end like this.


Word to the wise: Don't ever get mixed up in stealing money, or fraud, you might find yourself holding a gun to your head.

[George_S]

29. Didn't Bev Harris want us to look into them?

Anyone know why? And what does it have to do with black box voting?

[Minstrel Boy]

3. "the classical Roman way"

Researcher David Guyatt:

"Fraud, manipulation, grand larceny on a scale that is almost unimaginable to comprehend - and cold blooded murder when things look like they are about to unravel - are the daily bread and drink of these financial titans. If someone gets out of order or is perceived to be a threat, even if he is a member of the club, he is taken care of in the classical Roman way."

[seemslikeadream]

4. Cyberco Holdings Inc., parent company of CyberNETEngineering and Cybernet

The company has a dozen leased vehicles, including a fleet of BMWs, as well as plush furniture and original artwork that line its corridors and employees' offices at Cyberco Holdings Inc., the parent company of CyberNET Engineering and CyberNet Group.

"It's incredibly and absurdly unusual, over-the-top ridiculous," said Daniel Yeomans, who Monday was assigned by a Kent County Circuit Court judge to see if the business can be salvaged or if its assets can be liquidated to return money to creditors.

Yeomans is acting in the interest of Illinois-based lender Charter One and as many as 46 other banks that lent Cyberco money. Yeomans said the company has an 800-page filing listing all liens on property used for business purposes. Most large businesses have only several pages.

Charter One filed suit against Cyberco Holdings last week accusing the Grand Rapids-based computer company of "perpetrating a scheme to defraud Charter One and likely other creditors."
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http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-18/110131116588450.xml

:hi: MB

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. is this the same CyberNet involved in BBV story of voting machine fraud?

"Bay Point Schools, Cal Tech, and the CyberNET connection."
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&omm=0&om=56&forum=DCForumID4122


I think its time the public see this.

Interestingly enough, Dr. Piotr Blass is not only significant and real, he has alot of resume background in Michigan state, and otherwise, is connected to a very interesting corporation known as CyberNET Venturs Inc.(which manages all of Cybernets divisions...)

In the allegations report, a certain vendor described that such a network company was financing the operation through Mel Sembler and a few other bad eggs connected to the head of the game map. Another company was described as giving source to certain code.....Turns out CyberN is indeed an open source code distributor to several organizations, ultimately not even limited to voting companies. Also turns out an employee named Guitterez works(or had worked) there and created actual databases for elections across the USA and easily the globe, that are certainly not MS Access.

http://engrm.com/personnel/gutierrez-alan/experiential.html

Also interestingly enough, the state and F.B.I just barely seized CyberNET Ventures Inc capital in Michigan state for all of its computer systems. Every single last one, in one large effort, and refused to state why they had them seized and impounded.

More interesting though, is the fact that if you look and sniff around it appears CyberNET (who is also, direct finance of the white house and ambassador) had its systems freely distributed among universities...Schools, teaching sites, and so on everywhere. And more interestingly also worldwide.

But the most interesting part of all, is CyberNET's own interest in Diebold, and helping them out of some dirty circumstances....

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:mk1BGFoCVrkJ:www.eff.org/legal/ISP_liability/OPG_v_Diebold/20040930_Diebold_SJ_Order.pdf+CyberNET+Ventures+Inc.+has+contract+with+Diebold&hl=en&start=1

And of course on top of all this, ChoicePoint government who controls voting name rosters, being issued by Jeb Bush to directly not only take off the felon purge lists, but keep them as well. Authorities issued repeated orders for him to turn it off and instead he saved all the names to some hard drive and area around there in order to use them all again later.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,65377,00.html?tw=rss.TOP

What I'm seeing here, is clearly one of the ugliest watergate level scandals there ever was, and then of course the media has no idea of anything. So what can we do about it?

Here is what: We need an astute group of search experts, to find any, and every single tie the one and only CyberNET Ventures has with this issue because it leads straight to the top and back to the whitehouse. So far much information seems to be missing (blank pages) so experts who have background in information management, do your part! Search all the archives and find any and all reports and links of these companies together, linkes to ChoicePoint, links between each party and so on and get this rotton egg hard broiled!

Of course the vote totals were flipped: Using obvious malicious code of rigged names across the board, some that possibly don't even exist (see: evicted felon/citizen roster) and even adoptions for all anyone knows. And the way to make this come full force as the biggest dump ever seen is do an information sweep, and find every single leaked report there possibly is, get it recorded! Get it archived!

We can help the federal authorities and team do their job, Ireland even said this on the radio. And yes I'm going to say something some would start turning their heads in at: The Fisher story is most likely a correct, variable assessment and main report of what went on.

Schools involved clearly are not the only ones as Cal Tech and universities constantly stating the exit polls mean nothing, are all possible suspects too. I would leave no stone unturned and do your part as citizens to call it out.

Oh and good luck, we have democracy at risk here.

"Nothing is foolproof. Footprints are real."

[seemslikeadream]

16. Thanks ElsewheresDaughter

thanks so much

[Must_B_Free]

17. Cliff Baxter, anyone?

Maybe he knew too much about the election... Might have talked to get out of it.

Oddly, I was just up in Ada a couple months ago.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

28. We need to find out more about Cybernet Ventures

Cybernet Ventures,mentioned above, as far as I am aware, has not been shown to connect to CyberNET Group, Cybernet Engineering, CyberNET AsiaPacific, Inc, and Cybernet Manufacturing, which ALL are THE CyberNet which was just raided by the FBI.

Still, I have seen no proof that these 2 Cybernets do NOT connect either...

There is plenty of weirdness surrounding the CyberNET Group, including: they are involved in online gaming, casinos, the entertainment and media industry, they are known for their "Zero Footprint Computing (server based computing with a new twist)", lots more...

Bluedog found this:
Cybernet Internet Services International, Inc. ("Cybernet Inc") (formerly known
as New Century Technologies Corporation) was incorporated under the laws of the
State of Utah on September 27, 1983. Cybernet Inc changed its state of
incorporation to Delaware in November 1998. Effective September 16, 1997 the
Company acquired Cybernet Internet Dienstleistungen AG ("Cybernet AG"), a German
stock corporation which offers a variety of Internet related telecommunication
and systems integration services to corporate customers. Cybernet AG was founded
in December 1995, and commenced significant operations in 1996.

Here is a bit on how "New Century Technologies Corporation" became CyberNET-- namely, while still in Utah, they acquired the German company named CyberNET. So, although it is listed legally as a foreign profit corporation in the Michigan State records, it obtained this status through acquisition and merger in 1997:
News Release
Thursday 17 April 1997, 16:57 GMT Thursday 17 April 1997
BUSINESS
New Century Technologies
NEW CENTURY TECHNOLOGIES SIGNS LETTER OF INTENT FOR THE ACQUISITION OF CYBERNET AG
Salt Lake City, Utah, April 17 - New Century Technologies Corp. ("The Company") is pleased to announce that it has signed a letter of intent for the acquisition of 100% of the issued and outstanding stock of CYBERNET AG, a private German corporation ("CYBERNET") which is a leading business Internet provider headquartered in Munich, Germany.
~~~~~
I found these, which were particularly strange...

Graphic Design - Internet Design - Interior Design --
Cyber Net Group
Contact: TEHRAN IRAN
Telephone: [phone] fax: E-mail: [e-mail] Website: www.cybernet-co.com

1mpactincognito—What'sUp
... 04.07.26 - 1ntervuincognito featuring Robert Chang. 04.07.08 - 1mpactincognito named
Site of The Day at Designers Depot. 04.07.01 - Moved to Ardhosting. ...
1mpact.axisfront.com/whatsup3.htm - 4k - Cached - Similar pages

~~~~~
Subject: WARNING - VIRUS ALERT No.36
Date: Saturday, 20 Nov 1999 18:58:00 GMT
W97M/Prilissa is a new Melissa variant. AVERT has assigned it a risk assessment of MEDIUM?ON WATCH. There has been a serious outbreak in Europe, and it is expected to travel quickly.
W97M/Prilissa infects Word 97 files. It propagates itself by creating an MS Outlook email with the subject line "Message From (Word 97 username)" and the message text: "This document is very Important and you've GOT to read this !!!"
It sends this message, with an attached copy of the infected Word 97 file, to the first 50 entries in any address book it finds. It does this only once.
W97M/Prilissa includes a destructive payload! If the date is December 25 of any year, it will modify the AUTOEXEC.BAT file so that the next time the computer is booted, the hard drive will be formatted, causing a loss of all data. In addition, the following message will be displayed in Word 97:
"(C) 1999 - CyberNET
Vine... Vide... Vice... Moslem Power Never End...
You Dare Rise Against Me... The Human Era is
Over, The CyberNET Era Has Come!!!
"

[seemslikeadream]

30. Thanks eowyn_of_rohan

would you please post this in the thread I started in 2004 Election Results and Discussion

[KingChicken]

18. CyberNET news coverage, 17th - 24th

CyberNET Group Raided By Police
http://fox17.trb.com/news/111704-wxmi-police,0,367520.story

Lawsuit Provides Clues To CyberNET Investigation
http://fox17.trb.com/news/111804-wxmi-cybernet,0,956334.story

Employees return to work at The CyberNET Group after federal raid
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2578803&nav=0RceTEfz

Law enforcement officials in Kent County in standoff at home
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2609657

Police enter CyberNET chairman's house after overnight standoff
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2607827&nav=0RceTTjA

Tech exec found dead in Mich. home after standoff
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-11-24-cybernet-exec_x.htm

CyberNET Founder Dead After Standoff
http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/cyb112404.cfm

Employees react to death of Barton Watson
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2610741&nav=0RceTVLQ

Tech Exec Found Dead After Standoff With Police
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3947596/detail.html

Suspect in cyberscam kills himself after standoff with police
http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1101312928129110.xml

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. pic of Baxterized .....Barton Watson

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2578803&nav=0RceTEfz

<snip>
The allegations are something the company's CEO, Barton Watson, is familiar with, as he was convicted of fraud in the 1980s. He served three years in a federal prison and was released in 1989. He has also been sued for stealing and forced to pay $1 million.

Watson appeared at a charity event at a California vineyard in August. He, along with Yahoo! founder Jerry Yang, won a winery tour with a bid of $75,000.

Watson and his wife have an affinity for quarter horses. They also have a million dollar home in Ada under her name. Nobody was home when 24 Hour News 8 visited the house a second straight day. But we did get a recorded message at the gate that said, "If you leave your message and appropriate information after the tone, I'll endeavor to return your call as soon as practical."

An email to employees was obtained by 24 Hour News 8. It said this is a difficult and challenging time for everyone. It also says workers should report Friday, but that doesn't stop the worry for workers who wonder what's going on. Employees were told that a detailed statement about what's happening would be issued Friday.

Federal officials still won't release any details about the investigation.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

24. WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD: Cybernet owner in police standoff

I tried to post and it seems to be GONE! Does anyone know why? There was some GOOD info in that thread....

[seemslikeadream]

26. I know and I am extremely upset This is what I have left of it

Cybernet owner in police standoff vanboggie Nov-24-04 05:31 AM #0
links? n/t djmaddox1 Nov-24-04 06:00 AM #1
here ya go. Sirveri Nov-24-04 06:01 AM #2
wrong link - no police standoff or barricade? n/t djmaddox1 Nov-24-04 06:06 AM #
Not on news site yet vanboggie Nov-24-04 06:09 AM #5
I don't understand? Sirveri Nov-24-04 06:01 AM #3
Link to prior discussion vanboggie Nov-24-04 06:06 AM #4
Do you have a link with info about him being in a standoff with police? slay Nov-24-04 06:11 AM #6
Not yet - still unfolding vanboggie Nov-24-04 06:14 AM #7
Story online now vanboggie Nov-24-04 06:21 AM #8
Watching now on www.woodtv.com - Oh man, this could be HUGE... slay Nov-24-04 06:27 AM #9
Doesn't sound good for the guy vanboggie Nov-24-04 06:31 AM #10
True, is VERY UNCLEAR if CyberNET had anything to do with election at all slay Nov-24-04 07:10 AM #11
Sending robot into home vanboggie Nov-24-04 07:30 AM #12
The links are to bogus claims about various Cybernet companies Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 07:37 AM #14
SLAY, YOU ARE SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 07:35 AM #13
Bozos for Bush - I'm not sure what your problem is slay Nov-24-04 08:04 AM #15
My problem is you linked false information intentionally Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 09:06 AM #17
Don't start accusing me when you do not even know me slay Nov-24-04 09:49 AM #28
Can't someone keep this guy away from us? eowyn_of_rohan Nov-24-04 10:21 AM #36
Frankly, Bozos, we all know where you stand when it comes to Verve Nov-24-04 08:53 AM #16
The message has been invalidated over and over Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 09:08 AM #18
links of invalidation? Verve Nov-24-04 09:09 AM #19
Deleted message Name removed Nov-24-04 09:11 AM #21
Who's calling who a freeper? If you want all your news organized and Verve Nov-24-04 09:16 AM #24
Hey Bozo SomthingsGotaGive Nov-24-04 10:13 AM #34
Hey Gotta Give! You and I signed up within 2 days of each other Verve Nov-24-04 10:35 AM #40
Yes we did But....... SomthingsGotaGive Nov-24-04 11:26 AM #61
Ya gotta be kidding me Gotta! Stop wasting people's time! Verve Nov-24-04 12:00 PM #67
Waste Peoples Time? SomthingsGotaGive Nov-24-04 12:33 PM #73
Wow, You Really Take this stuff Personally IAMREALITY Nov-24-04 09:13 AM #23
This is making me think we really *should* be looking into this seriously slay Nov-24-04 09:35 AM #27
Deleted message Name removed Nov-24-04 02:17 PM #84
So you did come back then? nolabels Nov-24-04 02:25 PM #89
There are those of us who want to see this issue with CyberNet resolved txindy Nov-24-04 01:27 PM #79
He's having trouble with this one BlueDog2u Nov-24-04 09:10 AM #20
You know damn well proof has been given (n/t) Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 09:12 AM #22
Then provide the links!!! Verve Nov-24-04 09:17 AM #25
I've provided the links all over the place! Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 02:21 PM #85
Thank you Verve vanboggie Nov-24-04 09:24 AM #26
Your welcome! Verve Nov-24-04 09:52 AM #29
Yes, thank you Verve slay Nov-24-04 10:02 AM #31
I didn't think you were propagating any misinfo either. kk897 Nov-24-04 10:03 AM #33
Why do you defend cybernet so? merh Nov-24-04 10:26 AM #38
Yes, the results of Bozo's posts are BlueDog2u Nov-24-04 10:59 AM #52
Please do keep us updated as to what's going on vanboogie slay Nov-24-04 09:56 AM #30
He's dead - apparently shot himself GregD Nov-24-04 10:03 AM #32
Wow. Nothing yet on the news about it.. although.. slay Nov-24-04 10:14 AM #35
BREAKING NEWS - CyberNET Group CEO killed during standoff slay Nov-24-04 10:21 AM #37
So what's the deal with all this, at this point GregD Nov-24-04 10:35 AM #39
That's the point! Bozo keeps saying this is debunked but he hasn't Verve Nov-24-04 10:39 AM #41
So what fraud was cybernet involved in that made the CEO merh Nov-24-04 10:43 AM #42
Cybernet fraud info slay Nov-24-04 10:48 AM #45
investigators were looking for evidence of wire, mail, and bank fraud seemslikeadream Nov-24-04 10:49 AM #47
Cyberco Holdings Inc., parent company of CyberNETEngineering and CyberNet seemslikeadream Nov-24-04 10:57 AM #50
Here's one connection no doubt!! slay Nov-24-04 10:57 AM #51
Yes it does deserve looking into seemslikeadream Nov-24-04 10:59 AM #53
It most certainly does slay Nov-24-04 11:06 AM #56
Edit: My post #51 should read CyberNET -> DeVos, etc - not Cyberlink slay Nov-24-04 12:38 PM #76
Any connection between any of these folks to Carolab Nov-24-04 01:45 PM #81
I haven't it yet Carolab but have you seen this?Diebold - CyberNET seemslikeadream Nov-24-04 01:59 PM #82
Wrong Cybernet! How could you not know!?!? Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 02:26 PM #90
And where's your link? Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 02:24 PM #88
Awesome research, seemslikeadream! RevCheesehead Nov-24-04 11:16 AM #58
Nice work nolabels Nov-24-04 02:07 PM #83
oh my gosh this looks very suspicious keepthemhonest Nov-24-04 10:46 AM #44
Look up above Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 02:23 PM #86
It seems that Bozos is very much against us trying to find out... slay Nov-24-04 10:45 AM #43
Why did Bozo suddenly drop out? eowyn_of_rohan Nov-24-04 10:49 AM #46
Some people work for a living instead of getting paid to mislead at DU! Bozos for Bush Nov-24-04 02:27 PM #91
See what you can find, Slay vanboggie Nov-24-04 11:24 AM #60
Consider my interest piqued as well slay Nov-24-04 11:32 AM #62
Does anybody know about some of them links nolabels Nov-24-04 11:33 AM #63
Does the FBI have evidence of MORE than financial fraud ? eowyn_of_rohan Nov-24-04 10:51 AM #48
Very true. If they did have reason to suspect election-related fraud... txindy Nov-24-04 01:38 PM #80
No BlueDog2u Nov-24-04 11:01 AM #55
Now, BlueDog2u Nov-24-04 11:00 AM #54
I guess you should change the name of the thread now n/t keepthemhonest Nov-24-04 10:51 AM #49
Gee, I wonder why he would not just call a lawyer to come bail........... nolabels Nov-24-04 11:11 AM #57
Dead men tell no tales seemslikeadream Nov-24-04 11:20 AM #59
Well at least he wasn't flying around in a plane nolabels Nov-24-04 11:41 AM #65
Or sitting in a car on a dark street in Texas with a gun seemslikeadream Nov-24-04 12:03 PM #68
Here's some interesting possible info regarding CyberNET: slay Nov-24-04 11:37 AM #64
Reading a couple past posts from netmaxsucks.com sounds like......... nolabels Nov-24-04 11:58 AM #66
Very Interesting... Woo Nov-24-04 12:07 PM #69
This is also the MO wet teams like to use isn't it? nolabels Nov-24-04 12:17 PM #72
Police looking for suicide note vanboggie Nov-24-04 12:08 PM #70
thanks for all the info, Slay! Solitaire Nov-24-04 12:34 PM #74
Does anyone remember Horse with no Name Nov-24-04 12:16 PM #71
I think what might have happened mirandapriestly Nov-24-04 12:43 PM #77
Not to try to add to a conspiracy thoery but steelyboo Nov-24-04 12:38 PM #75
Not to add to the conspiracy BUT... Woo Nov-24-04 01:17 PM #78
Investigators Needed

[eowyn_of_rohan]

27. You and I both wrote to the moderator, but no response yet

I had been digging on Van Andel and DeVos Place the day they were ID's in the news. I didn't find much, but felt like there might be good reason to continue researching. For one thing, I am intrigued by Van Andel's connection to Max Planck Institute in Germany. Not sure if it is significant or not though...back to work

Anyway, someone had a great post with Van Andel info on that thread. I really hope they can retrieve it. There was a mention of past US presidents who benefitted from Van Andel. Two of them were Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford....

Van Andel Research Institute
http://www.worldshop.com/AIMS/vai/vai_visions.html
Van Andel Research Institute(VARI) is an independent, not-for-profit organization building programs of basic science in the battle against cancer. Two postdoc positions are opened immediately to study structures and functions of nuclear hormone receptors

"Here at VAI, the world's greatest medical detectives will unlock the secrets of molecular and cell biology, genetics and other life sciences. All because of Jay and Betty Van Andel's belief and their willingness to act on that belief." - President Gerald R. Ford

"Because of my personal experience with cancer, I'm proud and pleased to serve as Honorary Chair of the Van Andel Institute's Hope on the Hill Fund. At this institute, basic cancer research is being dome to give hope to the people like my father, brother, two sisters and the world." - President Jimmy Carter

[George_S]

31. Maybe this will help...

http://watch.pair.com/charter8.html

[slay]

34. Any word on why that thread "vanished" yet?

:(

[Carl Brennan]

32. Kick

Was there another thread on this?

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

35. Yes there _was_ a thread ... with 87 replies as of 3:43 pm Wednesday...

"Cybernet owner in police standoff"

Lobby / Latest Politics & Issues Forums 2004 Election Results and Discussion Original message

vanboggie (94 posts) Wed Nov-24-04 06:31 AM
Original message
Cybernet owner in police standoff Barton Watson barricaded in home in standoff with police - holding police at bay, has a gun Sorry to bring up Cybernet again, but we've become rather acquainted

Disappearing threads make us sound like a third world board like UkraineDemocraticUnderground.com or something ... I think we should count every thread... ;^)

[gandalf]

36. Sad, these suicides and accidents nowadays...

Very interesting thread. Thanks for the research.