US Policy now to use Israeli fighters in Fallujah? 2 News Articles -

[cyberpj]

It's NOT just that Americans learned Israeli tactics - Israel has forces in Falluja!

Gee, do you think that will bother the Iraquis?

2 articles (with links) follow:
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1 - What we've been told:

Officers at Fallujah were trained in Israeli urban warfare tactics

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
BAGHDAD – The U.S. military has employed Israeli urban warfare tactics during the current invasion of the Iraqi city of Fallujah.

U.S. officials acknowledged that hundreds of officers have trained in Israel over the last two years in urban warfare and counter-insurgency. In September, scores of U.S. officers trained at the Adam urban warfare school northeast of Tel Aviv, a facility that contains a mock Arab village.

The U.S. officers trained in Israel relayed their expertise to the U.S. Army's Joint Readiness Training Center in Fort Polk, La. Over the last two years, the army center has increased the number of mock Arab villages from four to 18 and employed Arab speakers for urban warfare exercises.

http://216.26.163.62/2004/ss_iraq_11_10.html

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2 - What we're finding out:

Free Republic

Israel's Battle in Fallujah
Dar Al Hayat ^ | Rashid Khashana

It has become clear that Israel played a major role in the battle for Fallujah, despite the American concern to conceal this fact. What news leaked of officers, soldiers, and even rabbis of dual citizenships that took part in the battles, some of which were killed by the resistance's bullets, is only the tip of the iceberg. The killing of an Israeli officer in Fallujah exposed the existence of a large number officers, snipers, and paratroopers in Iraq. Based on Israeli press statistics, Israel currently has no fewer than 1,000 officers and soldiers scattered around the American units working in Iraq. In addition, 37 rabbis are operating within the American troops, which leads to believe that the real number is greater; since Ha'aretz admitted that others are concealing their Jewish identities, which makes them self-driven Israeli citizens. Currently, there is a recruitment campaign coinciding with the escalation of the operations in Iraq, which seeks to send further assistance there. Amongst these campaigns is the incitement of Rabbi Irving Elson in his latest speech given in New York to allocate further "Fighting Rabbis" and encourage them to enlist in the American forces, in addition to another rabbi's advisory stating that those killed in Fallujah are "martyrs."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286275/posts

[mmonk]

1. Well no one said our policy was intelligent

except the blind followers of the repub right, but they're not stable.

[Just Me]

4. PNAC kinda counts on destabilization,...

,...in order to have an excuse to continue on the path of dominating/controlling the Middle East. They (so-called neocons) were prepared from the beginning to instigate another world war.

[izzie]

2. Well it seems Bush is going to win what ever.

It seems to me that we have done just about every thing we could to really piss off these people. I have heard on blogs that they were in on the killing. Can any one on DU think of a thing we have not done to the people of Iraq now?

[cyberpj]

3. Send them Billy Graham?

Maybe they could all become Born Again, like Bush, and accept Jesus as their saviour and the only way to Heaven. ?

...guess the days of missionaries are over, huh?

[izzie]

9. Oh I have read the church people are there.

That was way back I read that so I do not know if they are still there or what they are doing. Good job to see if I could find out on this thing.

[peacetalksforall]

17. Send them Bill Bennett.

[asjr]

5. Wow! This is going to piss off a lot of arabs.

[knowbody0]

6. everything is in place

george's god must be pleased

[cal04]

7. here's a couple of articles

Israeli commandos played an active role in the occupying forces’ attacks on Najaf, Sadr City, Tall’Afar, Mosul, Samarra, Falluja, and some areas in Tikrit, Ramadi, and Baqubah.

With the increased crackdown on the Iraqi people, the presence of Zionist forces has become more evident, to the extent that Israelis have taken over some military operations in Tall’Afar, Samarra, and Falluja, informed sources in Iraq, including two Iraqi National Guard officers, said.

http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=2&p=6132&s2=06

Seymour Hersh: Israeli Agents Operating in Iraq, Iran and Syria
Now, Israel has hundreds of agents, including members of Mossad operating in the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq. In addition Mossad is now conducting covert operations in Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. One former Israeli intelligence officer told Hersh "It's Realpolitik. By aligning with the Kurds Israel gains eyes and ears in Iran, Iraq and Syria."
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/22/148253&mode=thread&tid=25

[illflem]

8. From what I understand

the Iraqi slang word for the US soldiers is Jew anyway

[izzie]

14. Now if we could just get a women in to run the place

We would have every thing the Iraq people do not like in their govt. I can not think any one in our DOD or govt. would be this stupid.Jews to fight in that country.My God .

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. Irag had women in the gov't..Iraq was the most liberal and secular arab...

state toward women...UNTIL BUSH!!!

[Johnyawl]

12. Israel is playing with fire by supporting the Kurds

One former Israeli intelligence officer told Hersh "It's Realpolitik. By aligning with the Kurds Israel gains eyes and ears in Iran, Iraq and Syria."


By aligning with the Kurds Israel also runs the risk of alienating the Turks. And Turkey has been the ONLY muslim nation to maintain a normal relationship with Israel.

"Realpolitik" can be a dangerous, and destabilizing game to play. The Kurds want a Kurdish nation, one centered on the oilfields of Mosul, and will use any means to accomplish that, including taking help from Israel. Turkey has been steadfast in it's insistance that they won't let that happen, and adament that they have the right to use military force to prevent it. They will view anybody supporting the Kurdish drive for independence as an enemy.

[cal04]

23. According to this, they have been helping the kurds for decades

Israel was playing a behind-the-scenes role in helping the Kurds undermine the Saddam Hussein regime for many decades. Since the Kurds hated Saddam as much as did the Israelis and the Americans, there was a powerful basis for that nexus among the three. But another major regional player, Turkey, watched that nexus with considerable consternation.

For Israel and the US, the prospects of the creation of an independent Kurdish state, while Saddam was in power, was a source of enormous comfort, and a driving force for destabilizing and eventually bringing an end of that dictator's rule. However, from the Turkish vantage point, the end of Saddam's regime did not have to result in the creation of an independent Kurdistan, which neither Turkey nor Iran wished to see materialize.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FF30Ak01.html

[The Magistrate]

13. 'Tehran Times', Ma'am?

they will certainly have the inside dope on U.S. force composition, no question....

Mr. Hersh's article is a sensible piece of reportage; Israel does indeed maintain agents among the Kurds....

"The mind wobbles...."

[daleo]

10. Will everyone have to convert to the winners' religion

When it is all over?

[The Magistrate]

11. This Is Rather Tired Swill, Ma'am

The first article cited describes as grand innovations sourced to Israel things that have been commonplaces of urban and anti-mine warfare throughout modern times. the technique of blasting through walls to move undercover was developed independently on a number of occassions in the gun-powder era; it was commonplace at stalingrad, and routinely used by U.S. forces in Italy during WWII. The use of "flying dustbin" charges and detonation cord to clear paths through mines is similarly old and routine, used extensively by all sides in WWII. Multi-pronged advances, securing and maintaining surprise, are ancient to warfare, and air support has been an important part of urban fighting for more than half a century. A lot of hyperventilation could be saved if journalists, and radicals, bothered to acquaint themselves with military history and military techniques.

The second article is somewhat more vile, and it interests me strangely that you cited Free Republic rather than the paper itself. Rather a ghastly thing that there are chaplain rabbis with U.S. forces, eh? That there are Israeli operatives in Iraq, particularly in Kurdistan, is no great secret or surprise; there are Iranian, Turkish, Saudi, Russian, French and English operatives, certainly, as well. People fish in troubled waters, and Iraq is a damned troubled pond just now. This piece is simply one more bit of overwrought propaganda aimed at convincing Arabs and Moslems the U.S. is a mere puppet of Israel, and behind it is a conviction that Jews cause all the troubles of the world....

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

[Just Me]

18. I thought Free Republic was the mouthpiece for the neocons,...

,...which, naturally, makes it a propaganda-production station. However, whose interests or what interests do you believe this "neoconservative" leadership serves? Also, what do you perceive as the objective of the 2nd article? I'm not intending to be trite, I'm just curious.

[The Magistrate]

22. 'Free Republic', Ma'am

Seems to be a place for extreme reactionaries of various stripes to congregate and amuse one another, in some ways a mirror of our own forum here. It is not a usual site for dissemination of radical Arab propagandas, but as there do remain some serious Anti-Semitic elements among the more extreme elements of the right, particularly the militiamen and racialists, anything is possible. The purpose of the second article, it seems to me, is to rouse hate and distaste for Israel and the United States among Arab and Moslem people, and is rather a case of gilding a lily, as there is much Israel and the U.S. actually do that ought to suffice to rouse considerable anger among Arab people particularly. Translated into English, its secondary purpose is doubtless to make some appeal to Anti-Semitic persons in the Western world, in the hope, quite forlorn in present circumstances, that these might influence government policy to another direction. They do not understand us any better than we understand them, you know....

"Mmmmm...bacon...."

[Just Me]

24. Yup. The nuances of that particular publication are interesting.

I agree with your perception that the article is intended to arouse hatred, in more than one way.

I also agree that understanding seems impossible but add that, while human "understanding" is important for us,...it seems to have little to no importance to the right-wing, particularly its extreme elements. I suppose that could be said of nearly any extreme though.

Thank you for sharing your perceptions.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. right on schedule for Armageddon

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

19. Holy shit! This does not bode well.

The entire ME is going to light up like a Roman candle before this is over and Bushco's boys are going to be there feeling a lot like Custer's men must have felt.

This is what we get being governed by a bunch of delusionals who believe they're about to get sucked up nekkid into heaven any day now.

[VivaKerry]

20. Oh well... this should help move the entire region to war faster...

And maybe some of us will still be alive when peace ultimately emerges.

Will the iraquis appreciate it? Will the entire middle east appreciate it.

Things are going to start going KABOOM in a much bigger way.

The link to the second article is from free republic --- that;s a source that I have heard is sometimes not so reliable. /understatement off.

[peacetalksforall]

21. The photo of heavily geared soldier walking in the mosque with shoes

on and their guns in their hands.

Israeli's fighting in Iraq - possibly entered the mosques.

What do you get?

Bet there is no coverage of the Israeli Rabbi's and soldiers in Iraq within Israel - why blast it around the world. If you did that, it might even end up being noted on RPNs (Republican Corporate Networks).

It's obvious that Israel and PNAC and the cabal are hell bent on owning the Middle East.

The rest of the world has to save the world.

[Moderator]

25. Locking--Please read the rules of LBN

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