Ukraine - (state-controlled) Media REBELLING - LIVE!...sick of "lies"

[lexicon089]

-Ukraine state TV in revolt-


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4044791.stm

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| Friday, 26 November, 2004 |

Sebastian Usher BBC world media correspondent...



Journalists on Ukraine's state-owned channel - which had previously given unswerving support to Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych - have joined the opposition, saying they have had enough of "telling the government's lies".

Journalists on another strongly pro-government TV station have also promised an end to the bias in their reporting. The turnaround in news coverage, after years of toeing the government line, is a big setback for Mr Yanukovych.

Journalists in Ukraine seem to have responded to the call by opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko for them to reject government censorship.

A correspondent on the state channel, UT1, announced live on the evening bulletin that the entire news team was going to join the protests in Independence Square. She said their message to the protesters was: "We are not lying anymore".

Rebellion

For the first time in years, the UT1 bulletin aired opposition views in a balanced way after the station's management acceded to the journalists' demands.

We understand our responsibility for the biased news that the channel has so far been broadcasting under pressure Aleksander Rodnyansky Director of One Plus One TV It was the culmination of a rebellion among journalists at the state-run channel that had been brewing for days.

Even the sign-language presenter said that in an earlier bulletin, she had rejected the pro-government script and informed her viewers instead of the allegations of vote-rigging.

The news staff at UT1 were not alone. A couple of hours earlier, journalists on the pro-government private channel One Plus One took a similar stand.

The station had announced earlier in the day the resignation of its news editor, who had been presenting a fiercely pro-government election special for the past three days, after journalists refused to produce news bulletins in protest at censorship of the opposition.

Impartial

In the reinstated evening bulletin that replaced the election special, the channel's director Aleksander Rodnyansky stood in front of a solemn group of his colleagues to deliver a brief statement.

Pro-Yushchenko rally in Kiev on 24 November 2004 State TV has now started broadcasting opposition rallies He began by saying: "The One Plus One TV channel fully resumes its news and political and social broadcasting.

"We understand our responsibility for the biased news that the channel has so far been broadcasting under pressure and on orders from various political forces."

Mr Rodnyansky went on to say that the station would now guarantee "full and impartial" news coverage, allowing all viewpoints to be expressed. The subsequent bulletin lived up to this promise.

Media role

This new balance in TV coverage on previously government-controlled channels means that pictures making plain the huge size of the opposition demonstrations can now reach the heartland of Mr Yanukovych's support in the east of the country.

Rolling news coverage of the protests by Channel 5 - the one station fully backing the opposition - had earlier been blocked in the region.

The Ukrainian media played a big role in boosting Mr Yanukovych's election chances by denying the opposition any airtime to make its case and ridiculing his challenger, Mr Yushchenko. Reporters say the government issued lists of what they could and could not show.

Now that Ukrainian journalists have openly rebelled against such tight government control, Mr Yanukovych appears to have lost one of the key pillars of his support. It is another clear sign that the momentum behind the opposition is growing ever stronger.

[Cheswick2.0]

1. Wow, Cheswick Through the Looking Glass

my head is spinning. Where is my Orange sheet?

[mom cat]

33. We haven't! Many DUers and others are working feverishly to force

recounts and to analyze the fraud and expose it. While, in an ideal world the media would do a fair job of reporting, we do not live in such a world. It takes pressure...lots and lots of pressure. We need people willing to crank out letters, e-mails, phone calls etc. to all of the media. And that is just one of the task categories on our signup page:

VOTE FRAUD WORK (write organize research kick) TEAM SIGN UP (start here)

Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 10:35 PM by althecat

DU VOTE FRAUD WORK (write, organize, research, kick) TEAM VOLUNTEER SIGN UP THREAD


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=4560&mesg_id=4560

:kick:

[Minstrel Boy]

2. Saw footage yesterday of the police addressing the protesters

saying their loyalty was to the people. Choked me up.

[Cheswick2.0]

4. Me too

This is so inspiring. Now the media has joined in. The corrupt government is over. The opposition has won.

[billyoc]

3. Wow. What a great country.

Real journalists, cops that protect the people.

I want one.

[lexicon089]

5. Something big is about to happen

You can almost feel it.

[Cheswick2.0]

6. look at this article about polling place fraud

some of these tactics look very familiar.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4038409.stm

[Just Me]

7. Taking a stand "for the people"!!! Geez, wish we had that 8

Maybe our media will wake up to the subtle (ECONOMIC) brainwashing controls that are controlling them?

*sigh*

I doubt it. "Reality" is almost always "created" by the "masters". Most "masters" have become polished at the most effective manipulation,...manipulation of the minds (hearts). They ultimately fail, but corner financial power in their stead. I am so sick of them.

[Iceburg]

52. Your media is asleep because you (America) are asleep

its a symbiotic relationship.

Wake Up America

[BattyDem]

8. Wow ... the cops and the media work for the people ...

Isn't that the way this country is supposed to do things? :shrug:

I never thought I'd see the day when the former Soviet Union would grasp the concept of Democracy better than we do.

I think Golden Earring said it best:
"Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone! The place is a madhouse ... " :crazy:

[Zhade]

9. They are working for their democracy.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING?

Where are OUR huge demonstrations? Anyone?

We deserve what we get if we sit silent.

[Just Me]

32. We are observers of "1984".

We are dissidents against that,..."reality",...

,...welcome to being a "FREE" human rather than manufactured by those who enslave your mind and being.

:bounce:

[slay]

10. Perhaps we should take our fight to foreign media.

Perhaps now foreign media might be willing to cover why US elections are not being questioned. (Since our media is obviously REFUSING to) Especially since huge numbers of people report irregularities, and the exit polls were way off, just like in the Ukraine! And if all else fails, the Ukraine has shown us what works. We must march on Washington and not leave until they agree to at least examine the results of our election!

[Wright Patman]

11. The analogy

I see is to the 2000 election when the Yuppie Republicans stormed the offices in Dade County, Florida.

Yuschenko is analogous to our GOP. And you are all right. We would see oh-so-inspiring, Fox New Channel-sponsored revolts going on all over America had Ohio gone for Kerry.

I don't believe there is any way Kerry would have been allowed to take office even if he had won Ohio (which he probably did, but that's another story).

Political power these days is all about who has the best- organized mobs of thugs ready to take to the streets. U.S. Democrats have proven time and again that they can't match the GOP in this arena.

[blindpig]

13. "Political power these days......"

Sounds like late republic Rome. And we know how that ended up.

[VivaKerry]

19. I am with you on that. nt

[Cheswick2.0]

28. no I am sorry, you are wrong

favoring the communist government the soviet union rather than what is happening now is no excuse to deny that people have a right to chose their leader. The Ukrainians suffered under soviet rule. The do not want closer ties with them now, in fact just the opposite. Why do you think they have less of a right to democracy that say, the socialists in Venezuela.

[Just Me]

36. Aside from the fact that humanity suffers beneath all dictators,...

,...I am really confused by your post.

Moreover, aside from the fact that "the people" are left with very few choices about who actually RULES their lives,...how is this particular situation comparable with the "socialists in Venezuela" and, please, prove that human life is somehow more horrible in Venezuela than in the "Divided States of America" (formerly known as the USA).

[Cheswick2.0]

43. for goodness sake

People have a right to a fair election regardless of the direction they are moving in. The people of the Ukraine are fighting for democracy just the same as the people of Venezuela, it is just pissing some people off because they are moving toward the center and away from the left, rather from the right to the left (politically speaking).

I happen to think people have a right to democracy either way.
I certainly never said anything bad about the socialists in Venezuela. Get over your reactionary leftist self.

[Rose Siding]

34. It's hard to say

Before their election, a group of dem, ex-congress members went, working to insure the fairness of the election. They were criticized at the time by, among others, Bush's State Dept.

So there was an element of American politics at work in that election and our "official" govt did seem to favor the challenger all along. That would be why they initially opposed the results that were declared.

But there, as here, there is no way to know who won. And there, as here, an audit is a great idea if there are indications that problems occured.

[intheozone]

12. Hello, American MSM, are your paying attention???

Are you watching how media should perform, you know, watching them do the things that American MSM has not done for, oh say four to five years now. I am sick almost to death of the total fucking bullshit crap that passes for media in this country!

[Cheswick2.0]

14. the media and the cops in The Ukraine until the people had spent

days in the streets.

[0007]

20. .....ain't it great?

Venezuela and now the Ukraine.

[oldtime dfl_er]

15. I feel like I'm living in Bizzarro World!

the media is sick of telling lies? We are too damn complacent, people!

[blindpig]

16. Shame and Jealousy n/t

[LisaL]

22. Yep. Now I am sorry I don't live in Ukraine.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

17. May US media be inspired n/m

[Iceburg]

53. The media will be inspired when you are and NOT until

Drop the guinness and start protesting in reality

[lasttrip]

18. kickin this. wake up time america. nt

[VivaKerry]

21. I have a question: is the media there just controlled by an inner

govt 'cell'?

there are coups from inside the govt all the time. I can't just assume that the ukraine media has gotten a soul.

[Cheswick2.0]

24. why not

Didn't you ever do anything wrong and then change your mind?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4038595.stm

Read what the protestors are saying. Why would you think this is not real?

[VivaKerry]

41. Because I distrust both sides in this.

I don't know what to believe. Seems a rational response given the huge stake for the US if they don't get their guy; and the huge stakes for russia if putin doesn't get his guy.

Seems like the showdown at the ok corral to me. The first of many between the us and russia.

[Cheswick2.0]

44. Listen to the people

They are telling you what is happening and why. This is not another fight for you to have with bush. Honor democracy. Is it so hard to understand the feelings of the Ukrainian people who want nothing to do with Russia, a country they hate?

[VivaKerry]

48. Now look..... I am one of the people...

and you don't have to buy what I think. But you should give me a break if I want to stand back and practice a bit of discretion before hip hurraying about what is happening.

Of course, if you are in Kiev or something... I would certainly give more deference to your point. But if you aren't in Kiev, well, let me have my 'half a world away' view as I allow you to have. It would be appreciated.

Jesus, no offense to you, but I have seen so many oldtimers on DU chew the arses of relatively new people the last couple of days. If this is a private party, I wish someone would let me know.

[VivaKerry]

49. Not a fight with bush?

Let me suggest something.

Ever wonder why bush wants to move our european military bases to POLAND? Ever wonder why it would be really SWEET for our little war mongerer to have a puppet in the Ukraine? Makes the battle run for moscow oh so much easier.

Granted, I look at all foreign developments right now as the alignment process for the big war (ww4). That's the lense I choose to look through.

Bush getting his 'man' in Kiev will not make me sleep better at night.

Yes, it is great that the people are standing up. That is beautiful. And must be given praise and applause. But, horrifically, do the 'people' know what they are fighting for? They are going to lose, and will lose big, no matter what the results end up being. I can't really join the party based on that stark speculation.

[Cheswick2.0]

23. read what Ukrainian people say

I am in the office now. It is empty. All the people went to Independence Square to support Yushchenko. Some people say that the supporters were paid to shout Yu-shchen-ko! It is not true. Our chief director has stood there for three days already. He is ill and has a high temperature, but he doesn't want to leave. People decorate the police shields with flowers.

There are a lot of children, students and elderly people. It is the meeting of joy and peace. My mother-in-law, who cannot go there because of her health, laughs and claps her hands when she watches TV. She watches the 5 canal only (the authority is going to close it, so that people cannot learn the truth. Yesterday her friend called from St Petersburg, Russia. She didn't know that Yanukovych was twice in prison: for robbery and for maiming.

Besides, he had to go to prison for rape (the girl took back her declaration) and for pilferage. People in Russia are fooled as they do not have all the information. So are the people in regions who support Yanukovych. They are ignorant about his background. My mother-in-law's friend was very surprised, but then the connection stopped suddenly. I am very afraid that the honest, wise and sincere people who went to the streets with orange ribbons will be killed.
Alyona, Kiev, Ukraine



I would like to thank international community for its support and attention. Without you we would be on our own. Keep on pressing on the current regime. My heart is happy to see how our country is changing for the better. Kyiv is orange, demonstrations in support of Yushchenko are all over Ukraine - people do not want to live with oligarchs and want to live in accordance with democratic values. You cannot stop freedom!
Sergiy Sklyarenko, Kyiv, Ukraine

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4038595.stm

[underseasurveyor]

25. Jennings, Rather, Koppel, etc...... You're worthless and loathsome

You and the affiliates you work for. The US cable news channels, you're also worthless and loathsome.
Behold what integrity, honor and bravery and true love of Country looks like. I wish I could personally rub each and every one of your noses in this story.

Right On Ukraine :toast: Man am I jealous :-(

[kostya]

40. It's amazing what is happening there! I want to go help...

Like I posted earlier today, I have family there. They are ordinary working class people, like you'd find anywhere in the world. They are not wild-eyed activists. They have lived many, many years under the Soviets and in '91 they got their independence again. They don't want to turn back. Just ordinary people, a middle class lifestyle (by Ukrainian standards, that is), and yet, they are all staying away from work, they are going to Yushchenko organizing meetings every day and they will march in the streets, too. They told me that "millions" of people from all over Ukraine are pouring into Kyiv to help. Now that some of the TV channels are broadcasting the truth about these rallies, the momentum will only pick up. Watch how people can change the course of their country if they only get off their asses and take the risks necessary to make their voices heard. Vivat Ukraina!! - K

:toast:

[Rochambeau]

45. es Vivat Ukraina!! What they are doing is beautiful !!What a lesson for

all of us ! Listen up there are Men living in Ukraine !

[Iceburg]

54. Help them by helping yourself(ves)....

they don't need your help but America does.
The Ukranians have a much firmer grip on reality than most Americans.

[hlthe2b]

26. God, this makes me teary-eyed. American 'Media' has no shame....

no conscience, it seems.

[Iceburg]

55. The American media will mimic its people

Please quit blaming the media and look in the magic mirror.

[alexisfree]

27. let's follow the Ukraine dream!

and take statue of liberty to them!..

[Malva Zebrina]

29. Amazing

Isn't it?

We don't have state controlled TV. We have right wing corporate controlled TV. Oh wait--the corporations are the state.

[Cheswick2.0]

30. yup, what we have is called fascism

[goclark]

31. Are you listening media in America!

[vet 65 69]

35. did you read the white house press release

In Washington, meanwhile, the White House issued a statement saying the United States is "deeply disturbed by extensive and credible indications of fraud committed in the Ukranian presidential election."
The White House statement said it strongly supported an investigation of the election.

"We call on the government of Ukraine to respect the will of the Ukranian people, and we urge all Ukrainians to resolve the situation through peaceful means," the statement said.

"The government bears a special responsibility not to use or incite violence, and to allow free media to report accurately on the situation without intimidation or concern. The United States stands with the Ukranian people in this difficult time."

Yushchenko has called on his supporters not to stand down until the vote was corrected, beginning with civil disobedience.

He warned that Ukraine risked "civil conflict" if the vote were to stand.



http://tinyurl.com/437y7

[goclark]

50. Knock me down with a feather!

[Q]

37. It's great watching the birth of a democracy...

...but ours withers on the vine. Corruption in America has overwhelmed everything else...from the media to the White House.

When anyone in OUR country/media tries to stand up and tell the truth...they are quickly knocked down by the corporate state. When will our representatives and the 'free' press finally do their jobs and refuse to go along with the lies and corruption?

[vet 65 69]

38. what free press

when the murdocks,GE,sinlairs own the medias what can we expect

[kostya]

39. KICK n/t

:kick: :bounce: :kick: :bounce: :kick:

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. I wish this would happen here. The U.S. state-controlled networks

could save our country if only they had the character of the Ukraine journalists. $$$$$ means more to the assholes in this country. Shame on them!

[Caledonia]

46. Amazing

People standing up for what they know is right for days on end, in freezing cold conditions, and smiling! That's the way to do it.

:)

[Baclava]

47. Uh-oh, "Red vs. blue" all over again?

[TrustingDog]

51. think Blitzhead and Paula Con are getting a bit queasy about this?

... nah!

[Moderator]

56. Locking--Please read the rules of LBN

Copyright violation, incorrect title for LBN format and past the hour of edit-time for the original poster so it cannot be corrected.