'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1129/dailyUpdate.html

Quietly released Pentagon report contains major criticisms of administration.

by Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

Late on the Wednesday afternoon before the Thanksgiving holiday, the US Defense Department released a report by the Defense Science Board that is highly critical of the administration's efforts in the war on terror and in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies {the report says}. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.'

The Pentagon released the study after The New York Times ran a story about the report in its Wednesday editions.

The Defense Science Board, reports Disinfopedia, is "a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense."

'The current Board is authorized to consist of thirty-two members plus seven ex officio members': the chairmen of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Policy, Ballistic Missile Defense Advisory Committee, and Defense Intelligence Agency Science and Technology Advisory Committee. 'Members, whose appointed terms range from one to four years, are selected on the basis of their preeminence in the fields of science, technology and its application to military operations, research, engineering, manufacturing and acquisition process.'

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[yardwork]

1. Thank you for posting this - good article

[knowbody0]

2. can you imagine

dialog re the seeds of terrorism?

[Technowitch]

3. Ah, the truth.

How much do you want to bet there'll be a bunch of resignations and/or replacements to that Defense Science Board?

The White House is sure to say the report is partisan and should be discredited.

[MADem]

38. Be hard as hell to claim that it is partisan

...as most of the appointees are Bush appointees. The few remaining Clintonistas, if any indeed remain, are at the end of their four year appointment. This is the weecowboy's deck...he stacked it, and if he 'can't handle the truth,' maybe he should get his ass to Gitmo with Jack Nicholson!!!

[el_gato]

4. hey thanks for posting this

good find

[UpInArms]

5. I am always dismayed that the morons

haven't figured this out.

I knew it years ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/04/18_coup.html

they do not hate us, the citizenry, for our freedoms specified by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They hate us as an imperial country with the freedom to destroy their fragile democracies, their resources and their humanities.

[stratomagi]

43. Good Article

I, like maybe a lot of us already understood this stuff well before 9/11, how come it takes them this long to figure out what is plain to see...well ok, to be fair its only one advisory panel that figured it out...when will the rest of the government finally get its collective head out of its ass and get on the ball too? How about the american people, especially 'red' america and those who got scared into voting for shrub?

[FreeCajun]

6. I smell a CIA-style "reorganization" coming...

This agency is going to have to be brought under control if the *'s policies are going to come to complete fruition.

[xxqqqzme]

11. it will B kontrolled

rummy's been weeding 4 quite some time now.

[maddezmom]

7. similar NYT article

U.S. Fails to Explain Policies to Muslim World, Panel Says
By THOM SHANKER

ASHINGTON, Nov. 23 - A harshly critical report by a Pentagon advisory panel says the United States is failing in its efforts to explain the nation's diplomatic and military actions to the Muslim world, but it warns that no public relations plan or information operation can defend America from flawed policies.

The Defense Science Board report, which has not been released to the public, says the nation's institutions charged with "strategic communication" are broken, and calls for a comprehensive reorganization of government public affairs, public diplomacy and information efforts.

"America's negative image in world opinion and diminished ability to persuade are consequences of factors other than the failure to implement communications strategies," says the 102-page report, completed in September. "Interests collide. Leadership counts. Policies matter. Mistakes dismay our friends and provide enemies with unintentional assistance. Strategic communication is not the problem, but it is a problem."

The study does not constitute official policy, but it is described by the Pentagon's civilian and military leadership as capturing the essential themes of a debate that is now roiling not just the Defense Department but the entire United States government. The debate centers on how far the United States can and should go in managing, even manipulating, information to deter enemies and persuade allies or neutral nations.

There is little disagreement about the importance and utility of battlefield deception to help assure the success of a military operation and protect American or allied soldiers. But there is great concern among public affairs officials in the military at proposals for regional or even global information operations, especially if those efforts include falsehoods.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/24/politics/24info.html?oref=login&pagewanted=print&position=

[krkaufman]

26. This NYT article...

... is apparently what prompted the release of the actual report.

[maddezmom]

30. kick

yeah, I knw that...but when I posted it...it didn't get much attention with Turkey Day and all. ;)

[WildClarySage]

8. Obviously somebody at the pentagon is ready for civillian life. n/t

[IA_Seth]

53. LOL - my thoughts exactly! n/t

[cavanaghjam]

9. I'm sure they also have a wee grudge

seeing that 60% of Americans are overweight (though at the mall it's closer to 90) while so many third world children go to bed hungry. They may also (unlike Americans) remember that it was the U.S. that put so many tyrannies in place via coups in their countries.

[alaintex]

45. I didn't eat the last slice of the world's pizza

According to the FAO, the leading causes of continued problems in food availability are failures by countries to achieve rapid economic development and to reduce poverty. Limitations for increasing food consumption within the affected countries will be the continued inequalities in access to food due to poverty and poor food distribution systems.

Not fat Americans.

[Dhalgren]

48. Finite amount of food,

steady population rate, huge disparity in food allocation - fat Americans are clogging their arteries while "third world" kids starve? You can call it whatever you want, but wipe your chin first.

[alaintex]

52. Finite amount of food? I don’t think so.

There may not be enough food where the hungry mouths are, but me taking or passing up that second slice of pumpkin pie doesn’t affect the third world citizenry.

The fact that some people in the world are poor or hungry is not a result of my largesse (or as some would say large a$$). The problem is with them (or their government), not with the United States. We have deserts here too, we’re just not stupid enough to try to live in them.

[Willy Lee]

56. Surely you jest.

Are you implying that it is the fault of 3rd world countries for being "stupid enough" to live where they do?

Think globally, act locally.

[alaintex]

57. Surely you ingest…

And when you do it doesn’t take anything away from starving third worlders. It doesn’t impact the worlds poor if I take one scoop of ice cream or two.

The earlier poster implied that it was justifiable for people to hate us because we have more than they do, but I don’t buy that argument. Americans, as a people, shouldn’t be ashamed that they’re successful. And if other people hate us because of it, it’s their problem, not ours.
And as far as where people live is concerned, I do think it’s stupid to try and live where there’s no food. I think it’s stupid to try and live where there’s no air too, but at least this group doesn’t try to sell me Chicklets at the border.

Think more, act less.

[Dhalgren]

60. Ugly American? You bet...

[cavanaghjam]

49. I'm not implying you did

but surely you can see the juxtaposition of the two images would be enough to angry up the blood.

[hadrons]

10. old news (sort of)

in the 1950's, the Eisenhower adminstration commissioned the same study and guess why they found: "'They hate our policies, not our freedom'"

[Mokito]

41. What good are studies, when you don't learn from them?

[MountainLaurel]

12. This is gonna cause a shitstorm

And I can't wait to see it.

:evilgrin:

[chelaque liberal]

17. Wish it were so, but I doubt it.

Used to be that every time something new came out I got excited, "This is the one. This one will get them." But they keep getting away untarnished. It happened so many times I have given up counting...

[primavera]

59. Such optimism

Upon what other instances in shrubian history are you basing your highly gratifying forecast that the misadministration will give a shit about anything anybody says? Would that it were the case, but alas, most of der Fuehrer's crimes have been exposed and roundly criticized, yet they seem to care not one jot or tittle. Nor, evidently, do they need to, as they can simply wave the flag a few time before the braindead herd and get elected...

[MountainLaurel]

64. My fervent hope

Was that the military-worshipping sheeples would be impressed by the fact that priests in that high holy 5-sided temple are saying this sort of thing, and not just us godless commie pinkoes.

[PurityOfEssence]

13. They hate us 'cuz we suck

It's pretty simple, really.

We've elevated suckitude to a high artform, and we feel entitled to do as we please. We can say we're bringing freedom to the world, but we're not bringing anything to anyone; we're just taking. That's all we do anymore: take.

[Judi Lynn]

14. So good reading this. They sound like the very soul of moderation, too.

From the report:

In stark contrast to the cold war, the United States today is not seeking to contain a threatening state empire, but rather seeking to convert a broad movement within Islamic civilization to accept the value structure of Western Modernity – an agenda hidden within the official rubric of a 'War on Terrorism,' .
~~~~~~~~~~
If we really want to see the Muslim world as a whole , and the Arabic-speaking world in particular, move more toward our understanding of moderation and tolerance, we must reassure Muslims that this does not mean that they must submit to the American way.
(snip)

When in our history would we EVER have expected to see this thoughtful insight coming from our Defense Department? They must feel sorely tested.

Thanks a lot for this article.

[LynnTheDem]

35. bush & the freeping RWWs demonstrate "MODERATION" and "TOLERANCE"

every single day. The entire world knows exactly how MODERATE and TOLERANT bush & his freeping rightwingnuts are.

[Petrodollar Warfare]

15. Here's my 2cts why the Bush administration deserves criticism

“Sixty years of western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe, because in the long run, stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty. As long as the Middle East remains a place where freedom does not flourish, it will remain a place of stagnation, resentment, and violence, ready for export.”

- President George W. Bush, November 6, 2003

(Now, here is the immediate "Arab" reaction to this particular speech the day )


"Arabs want democracy. They hate their corrupt regimes more than they hate the United States. But, they are not going to listen attentively to the speech of the American president, first, because the consecutive American administrations, in the past 50 years, supported those regimes... and because all true democracies in the world came as a result of internal struggle, not due to foreign intervention, particularly American."
- Abdul Bari Atwan, editor-in-chief, London-based Arabic daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi, November 2003


"No individual, or group, has ever commissioned Mr. Bush to safeguard their rights. And basically, keeping in mind the dark record of the United States in suppressing the democratic movements around the globe, he is not in a position to talk about such issues."
- Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi


"How can we believe that the one who is biased in favor of Israel …can bring acceptable democratic projects to the people of the region?"
- Imad Fawzi al-Shueibi, Syrian political analyst


"If they want to export democracy through wars, we do not want it. Let them keep it to themselves."

- Ali Rida, 37 year-old worker, Damascus, Syria

Reference: Labelle, G.G., “Bush speech draws cautious reaction across Middle East,” The Olympian, November 8, 2003 http://www.theolympian.com/home/specialsections/War/20031108/144118.shtml


Perhaps fifty years ago the people of the Middle East might have believed President Bush’s November 2003 speech about the need for democracy in this volatile region, but as the above commentary regarding his speech attests, it is unrealistic to expect the people in the Middle East to accept the notion that the U.S. is suddenly interested in “spreading democracy,” especially through warfare. The highpoint of U.S. leadership in the Middle East was in 1956, when President Dwight Eisenhower ordered the British, French and Israelis to end their aggressive military action in the Suez against Egypt. To the Middle East, this was a very welcome symbol of America’s anti-colonial position, and a reflection of human decency.

It is difficult to imagine today that America was once well liked and respected in the Middle East region, but in the immediate post-War World Two period the issue of “anti-Americanism” was not present to any appreciable degree. In spite of this, during the next half century the U.S. transformed itself form a heroic, anti-colonial power into a colossal villain, or as referred by the Iranian mullahs, the “Great Satan.”

Our interference in foreign governments regarding western oil interests in the Persian Gulf, along with our overtly biased treatment of Israel has contributed to the cauldron of anti-Americanism in the region. Much of the current "anti-Americanism" in the Middle East is based on the hypocrisy of our foreign policies -- we say we stand for democracy, yet we have a long history of selling weaponry and propping up "stable" but oppressive and anti-democratic regimes.

Below is what the #2 person in the Al Qaeda organization wrote on a website almost 2 years ago:

“America claims to be the champion and protector of human rights, democracy, and liberties, while at the same time forcing on Muslims oppressive and corrupt political regimes.” is “responsible for everything that happens in Egypt and responsible for human rights violations there, and in other countries as well.”

- Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian terrorist who is bin Laden’s chief deputy, as quoted on the Council of Foreign Relations website

Reference: Terrorism Questions & Answers Facts Sheet, “Causes of 9/11: U.S. Support for Repressive Regimes?” Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) http://www.terrorismanswers.org/causes/regimes.html

While no rationale person supports the use of fanatical terrorism, it is unfortunately true that al-Zawahiri’s claim of the U.S. supporting oppressive regimes is well established in the history of the Middle East. Prominent examples include Iran 1953-1979, Iraq 1963-1990, Egypt 1978-present, Saudi Arabia 1944-present, and our overtly biased policies regarding the Israel-Palestinian conflict. The ill-fated U.S./U.K. invasion and occupation of Iraq to supposedly “disarm” Saddam of non-existent WMD weapons has exacerbated these sentiments.

Furthermore, according to Michael Scheuer, a 17-year veteran of the CIA, al Qaeda sponsored terrorists attacks will not end unless the U.S. either pursues either a total genocidal war against numerous Muslim countries in the region, killing millions of people in the process, or U.S. policy makers modify our foreign polices and align them with U.S. principles, not the interests of the industrial-military-petroleum conglomerate. Scheuer explains that Bin Laden does not “hate our freedoms” nor does he hate our democratic institutions.

Despite ongoing U.S. media censorship, the CIA analyst who wrote Imperial Hubris carefully chronicles the facts about Al Qaeda sponsored terrorism, as bin Laden has repeatedly stated his revulsion to the following six specific areas of current U.S. foreign policy - and none of them have anything remotely to do with the absurd notion of "hating our freedoms" or other ridiclous right-wing ditto-head notions of "forcing Islam" upon the US:


1) U.S. support for Israel that keeps Palestinians in the Israelis’ thrall
2) U.S. and other Western troops on the Arabian Peninsula
3) U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan
4) U.S. support for Russia, India, and China against their Muslim militants
5) U.S. pressure on Arab energy producers to keep oil prices low
6) U.S. support for apostate, corrupt, and tyrannical Muslim governments

Anonymous, Imperial Hubris, Why the West if Losing the War on Terror, Brassey’s, Inc.,( 2004) pg. 241

[RedSock]

16. why does the defense dept hate america?

thanks for this link.

[XemaSab]

24. To be fair,

bin Laden has also stated that he is calling the United States to Islam, and further stated that democracy is a stupid form of government because the people make their own laws. He thinks that the Koran has given us all the laws we need and only Allah can make laws.

This is all from an op/ed piece by him in the Guardian.

But yeah, his biggest beef seems to be the US troops in the Holy Land. Hell, we don't want Saudi troops here in the US....

[Just Me]

18. It does make my heart sing to see CSM publish this story.

But, unless mainstream media pounds a mantra, "They hate our policies, not our freedom", the American people are just not going to overcome the right-wing propaganda (mass-manipulation) machine.

We MODERATE progressives have been trying to spread this truth for years.

[gratuitous]

19. Gee, what a shame the report came out . . .

Darn the luck! Wouldn't it have been much better, informed-citizenry-wise, if this report had come out, say today, rather than just before a long holiday weekend? Doesn't the Defense Department know that the report will almost certainly be totally ignored because of this inauspiciously timed release?

[tom II]

20. I Don't Buy It.

This is the same information that the "Hubris" cia author wrote and explained on Air America today. Also, Newt Gingrich and Kissinger are on this board, among others.

First, the Defense Board is just giving an opinion of what America has known for 50 years:

The Arab world wants the world to let them annihilate Israel with no repercussions.

Despite the tyrannies that rule the Arab lands, Europe and the United States have always preferred the devil we know versus the devil we do not know. As an example, is it better to have a 5,000 member dysfunctional family rule Saudi Arabia or a Wahabe like sect that would literally throw out any non-Arabs from the entire Arabian peninsula which is what Muhammed instructed Muslims to strive for in his Haddiths)and WORSE.

Over the centuries, Palestinians have been thrown out of: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt, & Iraq. Now suddenly the Arabs care about them? Sorry, that dog will not hunt.

So this board gives an opinion, the Pentagon releases it, it is a duplicate of what the author anonymous has said in his book; what is new?

[Just Me]

21. Huh? Where is that written?

"The Arab world wants the world to let them annihilate Israel with no repercussions."

Whatever.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

22. Something sure does smell in here.

Pizza, anyone?

[LynnTheDem]

36. Yep the smell is undeniable

Apologist pizza. Comes in a brownbox.

[They_LIHOP]

25. Oh, so you're saying that this a "non-story", then?

Now, where IS it that I see that particular expression used on a regular basis? Hmmmm... let me think...

[Anakin Skywalker]

27. What are You Talking about?

Palestinians ARE Arabs!

[eldepeche]

31. I think he's right

From what I understand, other than the Jews, the Palestinians are the most hated people in the Near East.

[LynnTheDem]

37. *sniff* *sniff*

I smell a two-fer.

[MADem]

39. I find it amazing

They have the House, the Senate, the White House, the Supreme Court, and they have to come over here and screw with us? It makes no sense! It says something sadly telling about their motivations, and their intelligence. They are motivated by hatred, and they are really stupid.

I saw some pundit on the telly a while back who suggested that the thing that will mangle the GOP in the midterm elections, and crush them in 08, is, far more than internal divisiveness, their COMPLETE LACK OF GRACIOUSNESS.

[LynnTheDem]

40. Yep, no manners, no tact, no diplomacy, no brains, no logic, no common

sense or decency, no grasp of facts or reality, no ability for rational thought, and most certainly no graciousness.

[NickB79]

42. Yeah, the Arab world is just itching to pick a fight with Israel

A country of the best-trained and equipped military in the Middle East, a state-of-the-art airforce, and 200+ nuclear warheads and the means to deliver them. Who wouldn't want to try to fight them? Now excuse me while I go kick sand in Mike Tyson's face at the beach.

[juliagoolia]

23. Its our job to Let the world KNOW THEY KNOW

Blog this. Keep it kicked and send the news to RW blogs..


They don't want to be "liberated!to death..."

[goodboy]

28. I posted this in GD politics and got 8 replies...I didn't realize I could

post it in LBN


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1397511

[goodboy]

65. why do you think that 60+ people respond to this here but only 6

or so responded to my post in GDPolitics?

[Threedifferentones]

29. Too bad most Americans will probably never hear about this

The idea that it's our horrible foreign policy track record, as well as our wealth and arrogance, that causes anti-Americanism has not occured to most Americans. This report should be all over the evening news, but I doubt it will even get a mention.




3DO

[Merlin]

32. Here are the key points of the report

(page 39)
...
American direct intervention in the Muslim World has paradoxically elevated the stature of and support for radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States to single-digits in some Arab societies.

• Muslims do not “hate our freedom,” but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the longstanding, even increasing support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf states.

• Thus when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy. Moreover, saying that “freedom is the future of the Middle East” is seen as patronizing, suggesting that Arabs are like the enslaved peoples of the old Communist World — but Muslims do
not feel this way: they feel oppressed, but not enslaved.

• Furthermore, in the eyes of Muslims, American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. U.S. actions appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim self determination.

• Therefore, the dramatic narrative since 9/11 has essentially borne out the entire radical Islamist bill of particulars. American actions and the flow of events have elevated the authority of the Jihadi insurgents and tended to ratify their legitimacy among Muslims. Fighting groups portray themselves as the true defenders of an Ummah (the entire Muslim community) invaded and under attack — to broad public support.

• What was a marginal network is now an Ummah-wide movement of fighting groups. Not only has there been a proliferation of “terrorist” groups: the unifying context of a shared cause creates a sense of affiliation across the many cultural and sectarian
boundaries that divide Islam.

• Finally, Muslims see Americans as strangely narcissistic — namely, that the war is all about us. As the Muslims see it, everything about the war is — for Americans — really no more than an extension of American domestic politics and its great game.

This perception is of course necessarily heightened by election-year atmospherics, but nonetheless sustains their impression that when Americans talk to Muslims they are really just talking to themselves.

Thus the critical problem in American public diplomacy directed toward the Muslim World is not one of “dissemination of information,” or even one of crafting and delivering the “right” message. Rather, it is a fundamental problem of credibility. Simply,
there is none — the United States today is without a working channel of communication to the world of Muslims and of Islam. Inevitably therefore, whatever Americans do and say only serves the party that has both the message and the “loud and clear” channel: the enemy.
…


Zogby 6-Nation Poll: How Arabs View America
................. Favorable/Unfavorable
Country........June 2004...April 2002
Morocco........ 11/88 ..... 38/61
Saudi Arabia... 4/94 ...... 12/87
Jordan .......... 15/78 ..... 34/61
Lebanon ....... 20/69 ..... 26/70
UAE ............. 14/73 ..... 11/87
Egypt ........... 2/98 ...... 15/76
"Impressions of America 2004: How Arabs View America,
How Arabs Learn about America," A Six
Nation Survey Conducted by Zogby International, July 2004.

But Americans believe that while the U.S. necessarily shapes foreign policies to support our national interests, those same interests are not necessarily in opposition to the interests of other nations and cultures. To the contrary, Americans are convinced that the U.S. is a benevolent “superpower” that elevates values emphasizing freedom and prosperity as at the core of its own national interest. Thus, for Americans, “U.S. values” are in reality “world values” — exemplified by the United Nations’ Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the 1975 Helsinki Accords — so deep down we assume that everyone should naturally support our policies.

Yet the world of Islam — by overwhelming majorities at this time — sees things differently. Muslims see American policies as inimical to their values, American rhetoric about freedom and democracy as hypocritical, and American actions as deeply threatening. …

In other words, they do not hate us for our values, but because of our policies.


Excerpted from:

Report of the Defense Science Board Task Force
On Strategic Communication
September 2004

Office of the Under Secretary of Defense
For Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics
Washington, D.C. 20301-3140

(pages 39-46)

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2004-09-Strategic_Communication.pdf

[Raskolnik]

33. Can't "they" hate us for a mixture of both?

I'm sure that a big reason some of the most radical fundamentalists hate us *is* because of our Liberalism. A good lot of them hate the fact that women have rights here and that people can practice whatever religion they like, amongst other things.

The shitty thing is, those bastards draw their power and support from people who hate us for more practical reasons. You know, like not enjoying the bombs and all.

Hence the problem for us.

[WheresWaldo]

34. Kick

thanks for posting this

[Buck Rabbit]

61. Only a few could get past Resent all the way to Hatred for our Liberalism

Women's rights and religious freedom is common in dozens of Western Countries that are not hated by any significant number of Muslims. Very few Muslims harbor hatred for New Zealanders unless they mistake them for an Aussie. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

I will grant you that a few fundamentalists hate us for our Liberalism, but I think the FBI watches Jerry Falwell pretty closely when he passes fertilizer stores.

Many Republicans hate that America has abortion rights but only a few form terrorist groups and actually Hate America For Our Freedom.

[mediaman007]

44. Just a little help from your friends

(kick)

[arwalden]

46. Wow! Our POLICIES?!? And *Not* Our FREEDOMS?!? -- Fascinating!

Does this mean that we can have some of our civil liberties back now?

[wicket]

47. kick

:kick:

[Glenda]

50. kick

:kick:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

51. Well, I hope they have a job lined up...

Cause the one they have will be empty soon.
Duckie

[villagechild]

54. Finally

some SANITY issued from the Dept. of Defense. Didn't know they had it in them!

[greenohio]

55. Where was this during the election?

Could of used it. Though I don't support abandoning Israel, I am against supporting ruthless regimes stay in power.

[lumpy]

58. Sounds like damage control to me.

Approved and desogned by the administration.

[AlexHamilton]

62. Willing Fabrications...?

What Bush Says

"These are people who hate America. They hate our freedom. They hate our freedom to worship. They hate our freedom to vote. They hate our freedom of the press. They hate our freedom to say what you want to say. They can't stand what we stand for."
President Bush 3-19-2002, www.whitehouse.gov

"The terrorists hate and target a free Iraq. They also hate and target every country that stands for democracy, and tolerance, and freedom in the world."
President Bush 3-20-2004, www.whitehouse.gov

"For 20 months, this nation has been at war against people who hate freedom, and they hate America because of what we stand for."
President Bush 5-5-2003, www.whitehouse.gov

Try a search for hate our freedom on whitehouse.gov. It is truly nauseating how often he repeats this line.


Maybe if you say it often enough it will become true. Such a vast misunderstanding of the threat against our nation is unprecedented. Yet, the President continuees to isolate his viewpoint by appointing new Cabinet members who share his skewed ideology. Just remember, even Charles Manson could find a room full of people to support his views...

Alex Hamilton
Read my latest article: The Media is Finally Outraged
Visit my site: Impeachment by the People

[Anakin Skywalker]

63. They Hate Our Freedom Fries!!!

Mickey D's global poisoning is causing resentment. :)