Charges sought against Rumsfeld

[madison2000]

Berlin - An international legal team filed a criminal complaint in Germany on Tuesday against US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other top US officials over the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq.

The New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and Berlin's Republican Lawyers' Association said they and five Iraqi citizens mistreated by US soldiers were seeking a probe by German federal prosecutors of leading US policymakers.

They said they had chosen Germany because of its Code of Crimes Against International Law, introduced in 2002, which grants German courts universal jurisdiction in cases involving war crimes or crimes against humanity.

It also makes military or civilian commanders who fail to prevent their subordinates from committing such acts liable.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,6119,2-10-1460_1629011,00.html

[funkybutt]

1. that's good

i wonder if anything will become of those charges though. Didn't you get the memo about international law not applying to us?

[alexisfree]

2. shit..

you right:mad:

[AlCzervik]

3. Well you know that Bushwa and Rumsfeld dont' care much for "Old Europe'

i'm sure he's wearing this as a badge of honor.

[BeHereNow]

4. Sanchez and Pappas are both IN Germany...

Remember them?
Wonder if the military are making plans
to move them.
This could get interesting...
bhn

[northernsoul]

11. who are Sanchez and Pappas?

n/t

[BeHereNow]

12. The ones that go away...

Read this:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0905-02.htm
BHN

[genieroze]

5. I'm sure Rummy cares.... NOT eom

[cliss]

6. What a moment. How long have you waited

for this thread, Cliss? Answer: a long time.

Now, it's interesting that these charges originated in Germany. RumsFailed, as some people know, is of German descent. I guess there's a whole village somewhere in Germany filled with Rumsfeld's.

Don't look for love in that village, however. They were very outspoken before the war. They interviewed villagers, and they shook their heads disapprovingly, hoping he wouldn't do the unthinkable.

Now, RumsFool is about to get dumped by the PNAC (see thread about William Kristol washing his hands of "Rum").

You're on your own, Donald.

[Democrat Dragon]

15. Yet another PNAC member of German descent

Was there something in the water long ago? I remember seeing another article where Kristol said he had second thoughts on the way Iraq was invaded but still suppoted the war. I sense the Neocons are splitting.
If Rumsfool gets kicked out of PNAC then he may resign. However I fear that Dull Wolfwithnowits might replace him and accelerate the former U.S's "globolization" plot.

[purduejake]

7. I hope somebody snatches our war criminals...

when they leave the country and tries them for war crimes including *maybe* using chemical weapons against populations in part of Fallujah.

It would create an uproar, but we need to bring attention to the matter.

[Komrade _azul]

8. Are the Canadians signatories of the International Law Treaties?

Can you see a German police officer serving the warrant on el presidente B*sh while in Canada? Are the Canadians party to the treaty on international law?
That would be Sweeeeeeeetttt....

[Just Me]

9. I do put some credence in the notion that,...

,..."it's the thought that counts",...regardless of the outcome.

I should have known that awesome organization CCR would find jurisdiction beyond neocons' evasion of international law. Of course, even if successful in lodging charges and exacting a conviction,...carrying out a sentence will pose yet another challenge for CCR.

[TNOE]

10. Rumsfeld, Bush, et al unmoved apparently

on with the agenda!

http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=26412
U.S. Media Miss Rumsfeld's 'Dirty Wars' Talk

WASHINGTON, Nov 23 (IPS) - If three, five, or 10 years from now, Latin America returns to the military dictatorships and ''dirty wars'' of its all-too-recent past, analysts may point to the past week's conference in Quito of the hemisphere's defence ministers -- and particularly Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld's role in it -- as a milestone in that journey.

If they did, however, their assessment would surely draw a blank among the readers of U.S. newspapers or viewers of its television. For the vast majority of them, the conference was the equivalent of the proverbial tree toppling unheard and unseen in some vast, unobserved forest.

For almost two decades, the United States has urged Latin American militaries to move away from the Cold War ''national-security'' doctrines that resulted in so many abuses in the region. But last week Rumsfeld appeared to be preaching the virtues of reviving such an approach, perhaps under a new name, like ''national sovereignty''.

Indeed, in remarks to his fellow-defence ministers, Rumsfeld even suggested that, given the challenges posed by 21st-century threats, it was time to re-think the separation of the armed forces from the police -- a major reform pursued by U.S. and Latin American human-rights organisations as a way of asserting civilian control over the military and reducing abuses.

[pokercat999]

13. Maybe they

will find them quilty and not alllow them into Europe on threat of arrest. That would be sooooo kewl.

"The complaint names Rumsfeld, former CIA director George Tenet, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Steven Cambone, Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, Brigadier General Janis L. Karpinski and other military officers who served in Iraq."

[Anakin Skywalker]

14. Rummy the Dummy...

will finally pay the piper?

[0007]

16. Chile is filing charges also!

Also mentioned in the suit were vice president Dick Cheney, secretary of state Colin Powell, defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former Iraq administrator Paul Bremer.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1611131,00.html