BBC:New York's HIV experiment - secret drug test on fostered babies

[Monkie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/4038375.stm

"Over 23,000 of the city's children are either in foster care or independent homes run mostly by religious organisations on behalf of the local authorities and almost 99% are black or hispanic

Some of these kids come from "crack" mothers and have been infected with the HIV virus. For over a decade, this became the target group for experimentation involving cocktails of toxic drugs"

"Central to this story is the city's child welfare department, the Administration for Children's Services (ACS).

The ACS, as it is known, was granted far-reaching powers in the 1990s by then-Republican Mayor Rudi Giuliani, after a particularly horrific child killing"

trying not to be sick,
faith based organisations and drugcompanies experimenting on fostered hiv positive crackbabies
edit:oops forgot the link :P

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Link please...

[Liberal Veteran]

2. Thank you

[sniffa]

3. is this why they're against abortion?

they need new guinea pigs?

[Vincardog]

5. NO NO NO they are pro life until the moment of birth after that is is a

dog eat dog world. The more poor people to exploit the better. As long as they don't have to treat us as if we were human. You know they believe if God loved us the way He loves them we would be them.

[goodboy]

13. new meme: They're not 'pro-life'...they're just "pro-birth"

they don't give a shit about that life once the baby is born.

[johnfunk]

29. "Pro-FORCED-birth," and they love Love LOVE that capital punishment!

Yep -- those wacky, wacky radical clerics of the Xtian Talibornagain movement and their sycophants... y'see, talking points are just soooo much easier than critical thinking...

[Eloriel]

36. To put a finer point on it --

It's about "innocent life" (the unborn) versus NOT so innocent life. And that implies that someone is doing the sorting out and JUDGING, and guess who the judges are?

Nevermind "Judge not lest ye be judged," somehow they believe that THEY have the same authority God does.

A few posts upthread hit on another critically import aspect of this, the belief that if God loved others enough they'd be well-off and among "the chosen" as well, so pitiful circumstances -- poverty and its many attendant problems -- are merely proof that those so affected are NOT among God's chosen, or the forgiven, or the worthy, or the salvageable, and certainly not the "innocent."

Or, as Howard Dean put it so well, "George Bush believes that people are wealthy because they deserve it, and people are poor for the same reason."

It's a wonderfully self-reinforcing (tho sick and decidedly UNChristian) mode of thought.

[goodboy]

42. riiiiiiiiight. (nt)

[Kellis]

54. that

is exactly how the republicans think.It is so sick and twisted that it leaves me speechless.

[ydya]

23. Remember the Monty Python scene from Meaning of Life where the father says

everyone could have enough if only the church had let him tie a rubber on his thingy, but now he was afraid it was scientific experiments for all of them? I'll never be able to see that scene as funny anymore.
Also, glad to see that the American Patriotic Media managed to overlook this story as usual. Fucking whores.

[Straight Shooter]

4. That's the Republican way. "There but for the grace of God go I ..."

"... and better you to suffer than I."

The party of entitlement and privilege. Holier than thou. Better than thou. More blessed than thou.

It is sickening.

[gottaB]

6. Jesus Fucking Christ

!

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. Scary, scary stuff.

Especially with news that Bush intends to medicate all of us.

[Rush1184]

8. Speechless...

I can't even think of any response to this. It blows my mind.

[ilovenicepeople]

55. I'll respond to this

These people are killing children and some of them are looking them in the eyes when they do it.:cry:

[maddezmom]

9. Jeebus..sounds like a technique evil Saddam would use

only in the US it's Rudy, the Catholic Church and a Drug Company...a new Axis of Evil. I think I'm going to :puke:

[mod mom]

10. They are evil

and we have to hear from foreign soil-shame on the media. Top story should be: American Media complicant with evil forces.

[bettyellen]

11. god that's horrible...it is a mess! 3 month olds?? the horror!!

Rudy G. is going to go to hell for this. Thye got the Catolics outta the system 20 -25 years ago because thye were doing a horrible job. They exploit these kids horribly.
And the Bush bots get Rudy to let them take over again?!? It's so horrible!

[Tempest]

12. Drive a stake through Ghouliani's heart (if he has one)

The ACS, as it is known, was granted far-reaching powers in the 1990s
by then-Republican Mayor Rudi Giuliani, after a particularly horrific
child killing.

[Laughing Mirror]

15. But this modern day Tuskegee Experiment is still going on today

So better drive a stake through whatever it is that represents Mayor Bloomberg's heart too.

[Tempest]

16. Is Bloomberg aware of this?

Or is it something he inherited and was kept from him?

There's other reasons for disliking Bloomberg, like his treatment of protesters during the GOP convention.

[Laughing Mirror]

22. I don't know if he knows, or even cares

Until people start raising a stink about this, and not just the BBC, but media and the people of New York. Bloomberg Media might be one place to contact.

[Tempest]

24. Bloomberg's reaction will be the tale of the tape

If he institute changes, then good for him.

If he does nothing, then he should be hung by his entrails.

[Laughing Mirror]

25. I'm against executions, but the drugs he's been giving children

might be given him as punishment, doctor being force-fed his own medicine, so to speak. Let him see how it feels as he rots away in Sing Sing.

What is "the tale of the tape"? I've never heard the expression and can't figure out what it means.

[Tempest]

26. The tale of the tape

Boxing term used when comparing fighters. They use tape measures to measure reach, chest size, waist, biceps, etc.

In this case, comparing Bloomberg's actions to the revelation of this henious crime against helpless children.


Giving Ghouliani a taste of his own medicine would be appropriate.

[geek tragedy]

14. Who authorized this? How far does this go up the food chain?

Mengelesque.

[Eloriel]

37. Here's something that could bear some googling

and/or searching DU since it has been discussed a number of times here --

EUGENICS and the Bush family's continued involvement in it. Also many (if not all) of our wonderful pharmaceuticals.

Further, there's a smallish pharmaceutical in Texas, and I can never remember the name nor have I been able to locate its name again, with ties to Bush and James Baker (and possibly even Rice University), with some not very savory things going on there -- possibly some of the drugs that were given to Gulf War I vets (can't remember the details here, but this firm keeps a fairly low profile). I think the firm's name begins with an O and it's not a long name. I spent time googling on it, but without the firm's name, I came up empty.

Then there's PNAC's call for genetic weapons of mass destruction, which is, of course, genocide.

[malachi]

17. Paging Dr Mengele. What a great fuckin' country! No different

from Adolph and the boys. Makes me proud to be an Amerikan.

[TrustingDog]

27. could Saddam get away with this

depravity?

or only the most freest humanitarian powerful country in the world? : P

Wasn't there some nasty story about kids in Florida too - orphanages I believe.

edited for the icon - a smiley face wasn't fitting.

[calimary]

49. And of course we have to get this from the BBC. Nothing in OUR media

about this except a lot of crickets chirping. Back to Scott Peterson then.

[Meritaten1]

18. Unbelievable at one time. Not anymore.

If accurate this report is absolutely sickening.:puke:

[Cadence]

19. That is beyond horrific. n/t

[happynewyear]

20. What if this was your kid?

<< At Incarnation, if a child refused to take the medicines offered, he or she was force-fed through a peg-tube inserted into the stomach.

Critics of the trials say children should have been volunteered to test drugs by their parents. >>

HOW MUCH LONGER ARE "THEY" GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH THIS?

:kick:

[Tyrone Slothrop]

21. Remember this

In four years, when pig-fucker Giuliani tries to run for President.

Images of vomiting or dead babies are hard to shake.

[TrustingDog]

28. and the bush clingons will say...

""it's the crack mothers fault for putting their children at these risks! Maybe some really good things can come out of these experiments, things that can save many billions of lives in the future...""

I can hear it already...
just like it's the Iraqi's fault that they're being blown to smithereens.

feh.

[VegasWolf]

30. Some other experiments for the faith-based & pharmas to try:

1. What happens if you graft an extra leg on a child, can it run faster.
2. How soon is to soon to remove the frontal lobe.
3. If you graft a penis on a female infant, what happens?

[Judi Lynn]

31. Those Republicans really know how to do it up right, don't they?

This article is painful to read:

We asked Dr David Rasnick, visiting scholar at the University of Berkeley, for his opinion on some of the experiments.

He said: "We're talking about serious, serious side-effects. These children are going to be absolutely miserable. They're going to have cramps, diarrhoea and their joints are going to swell up. They're going to roll around the ground and you can't touch them."
(snip)

At Incarnation, if a child refused to take the medicines offered, he or she was force-fed through a peg-tube inserted into the stomach.
(snip)

Jacklyn, a trained paediatric nurse, had taken the fatal step of taking the children off the drugs, which had resulted in an immediate boost to their health and happiness.

As a result she was branded a child abuser in court. She has not been allowed to see the children since.
(snip)

We talk to a child who spent years on drugs programmes which made them and their friends ill, and we discover that Incarnation is not an isolated case. The experiments continue to be carried out on the poor children of New York City.
(snip)

How can ANYONE, ANYONE condone this sadistic system?

[Voltaire99]

32. Who Would Jesus Test New Drugs On?

This episode in Frankenstein social policy is brought to you by the same people who can't keep religion or "values" out of their conversation for five minutes.

Fat lot of good their faith does the meek on whom they experiment, eh? Fuckers.

[mtnester]

33. Vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord

The sick SOB that came up with this idea ought to remember that.

What am I saying??? What kind of sick SOB mind even comes UP with this kind of stuff?

If I was forced to sit down and think up bad things, I could not even wrap my mind around something like this.

More often than not, the things humans can do to each other sickens me.

May I be excused?

[Mandate My Ass]

43. "If I was forced to sit down and think up bad things..."

That's the difference between us and them, they do it every day but I have to say reading this took the wind out of me.

Whoever willingly participated in this is a monster. There is no other word to describe such malevolence.

[Cats Against Frist]

34. UH ----- MARY FUCKING CHENEY

will probably get more press than this. This is a horrific story -- one that should serve as an example for BOTH parties about the horrors of an unchecked and overreaching government -- and WORSE -- collusion with drug companies.

It is a careful balance though -- because the wingdings also want CPS to be scaled back so they can beat their kids within an inch of their lives and not have to worry about "bruises" being found by teachers.

This is sickening -- and this should be top story in the U.S. -- can we blast the media, and get them to work on it?

[maddezmom]

35. tomorrow is World AIDS Day...strange Tommy Thompson doesn't mention

the children the NY's Administration for Children Services that contracted and are still being infected or tested with toxic substances.

Statement by Tommy G. Thompson, Secretary of Health and Human Services Regarding World AIDS Day 2004, December 1, 2004
Tuesday November 30, 5:03 pm ET


WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is a statement by Tommy G. Thompson, Secretary of Health and Human Services regarding World AIDS Day 2004, December 1, 2004:
World AIDS Day is an important opportunity to remember those lost to AIDS. Just as importantly, it is an opportunity to raise awareness of the global epidemic and efforts to halt the spread of this terrible disease.



HIV/AIDS continues to be a growing threat to world health. An estimated 39 million people are infected with HIV. About 3 million men and women died of AIDS in 2003 and there were close to 5 million new infections worldwide. In the United States, it is estimated that up to 950,000 Americans are living with HIV, with 40,000 new infections every year.

more: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041130/dctu049_1.html


I'm emailing the BBC story to everyone I know...sickening.

[maddezmom]

41. kick

[Deja Q]

38. Culture of life - is that what * meant?

(edited grammar)

[420inTN]

39. How long before they start immitating the Dutch and euthanizing babies?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041130/D86MEAA80.html

[LynnTheDem]

44. You OBVIOUSLY didn't bother actually READING the article about the Dutch

Otherwise you;d know the Dutch are euthanizing TERMINALLY ILL babies who are in EXTREME PAIN that NO MEDICINES can relieve, with DOCTORS and PARENTS' PERMISSION.

Quite a VERY different kettle of fish.

[Mandate My Ass]

47. Oh geez, Lynn

Not another one. The babies must endlessly suffer so we can feel good about ourselves. Yeah.

[420inTN]

50. Actually, I DID read the article.

So, on one hand, we have a gov't giving experimental drugs to HIV babies, and on another hand, we have a gov't terminating terminally-ill babies.

I find both practices to be reprehensible. I'm sorry if I'm not "compassionate" enough for you. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[George_S]

40. Giuliani?

Remember that name come '08.

[BeHereNow]

45. THIS PRACTICE IS NOT LIMITED TO HIV Children!

This has been going on for years with foster children-
NATION wide.
I did a documentary about this after I met a FORMER
social services worker at an alternative mental health
conference. He quit his job over this practice.
It is ROUTINE to use foster children in clinical drug trials,
as well as prison inmates.
AND your tax dollars foot the bill for this horrendous
practice.
BHN

[Flammable Materials]

46. And some people here are bitching at the Dutch ...

... for euthanizing terminally ill infants.

[fortyfeetunder]

48. Remember the Tuskegee Experiment?

Where scores of black men were not treated for venereal disease and practically left to die? I think Clinton finally apologized to the last surviving victims before his term ended....

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Tuskegee 2004

Keep this kicked. this is effing sick

[Sabriel]

51. Here's a link to the original story, before the BBC picked it up

Why haven't we heard of this before in the U.S.? (Why do I continue to ask that question?)

It looks like the NYT knew about it last February. WTF?

http://aras.ab.ca/articles/house/thehouse.html

[Bono71]

52. That is truly terrible. Lawsuit needs to be filed

[gottaB]

53. still outraged

Can't get this out of my mind.

[nodehopper]

56. weird; I read this in a magazine over a year ago. Same case.