9/11 Families Say Lieberman Is the 'Obstructionist'

[Moloch]

(CNSNews.com) - A group representing more than 300 families who lost loved ones in the 9/11 terror attacks says Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) is the "true obstructionist" blocking passage of an intelligence overhaul bill.

The group "911 Families for a Secure America" held a Capitol Hill press conference Tuesday -- "to set the record straight," they said.

They said Sen. Lieberman's insistence that no "immigration safeguards" be included in the final bill is blocking its passage.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1299471.html

On edit: Crosswalk.com and CNSNews.com are right wing fundie sites, the story is also on US Newswire.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usnw/20041130/pl_usnw/911_families_launch_national_ad_campaign_insisting_immigration_safeguards_be_part_of_911_bill__ads_criticize_lieberman_for_obst

[xultar]

1. This story is so one sided it is stinks....n/t

[Badboy]

45. Leave Joe Alone

Joe has been there for us thru thick and thin. He is able to counter the GOP's liberal spin. He is a good PATRIOT.

[IndianaGreen]

2. Lieberman is opposed to racist language that will hurt immigrants

legal or not, the majority of which are law abiding citizens.

The criticism of Holy Joe may well be baseless, and it could be an attempt to divert attention from the real culprit.

We should not encourage Congress to rush legislation that may impact our civil liberties. Our experience with PATRIOT and IWR shows that the American people are the big losers whenever Congress passes bills in a panic.

[KoKo]

5. I'm also thinking they should wait on 9/11 Commission Reforms. The

Commission itself is suspect so in my book that means what they proposed is also suspect. But, with Bush now in full control, I suspect that they will get everything they want, anyway.

[IndianaGreen]

6. Some of the 9/11 commission members have a track record

of advocating more power for the federal government at the expense of the States and the people.

[noclonyofthechimp]

3. I watched the press conference last night on CPAN

and I will tell you the president of the committee (I forget his name) went out on a limb and really went off as to why congress does not want to satisfy the 9-11 commissions recommendation about license reform and to protect our borders. He came right out and said that big corporations are filling their pockets so they can have cheap illegal labor, basically. He went on to state that the (R) Senator of Main who is blocking this, also, should be ashamed of herself seeing how some of the terrorists came in through Main.

[Leilani]

8. That is Susan Collins..

The Senate is opposed to any & all border security measures.

The House version has drivers' lincense reform...the 9/11 highjackers had 63 drivers licenses which they used for I.Ds.

[MaineDem]

48. Collins also said Lieberman would make a good Homeland Sec Secretary

I'll have to look for the article in the local papers. It was a day or so ago.

[high density]

42. Well, the 9/11 terrorists that came from Maine

actually drove up to Portland, ME from Boston on 9/10. The next day they flew back down to Boston. It had nothing to do with the "borders" of Maine unless we're going to install checkpoints at the state lines.

I'm not saying Sen. Collins is right, but the 9/11 failure in Maine was much more of an airport security/intelligence issue than a border issue.

[bushisanidiot]

47. Yep, that's exactly it. The repukes are pro-cheap labor and pro-illegal

immigrant. They would sacrifice our security so that they can pack 200 mexican immigrants in a sweat shop at $2.50 an hour to churn out crap to be sold at Wal-Mart.

[pk_du]

4. Peter Gadiel is a Repub Tool who happended to have a son

who died on 9/11.

[quiet.american]

7. Uh...they do have an agenda

I'm NO FAN of Joe Lieberman, but the name of this 9/11 group tipped me off to Google just what they're about. I've found that typically any group or organizational name that includes the words, "family" and/or "America" can be found in some sense to be Kool-Aid drinkers, to say the least.

What I found makes me suspicious this group is scapegoating Joe Lieberman. Here's an excerpt from their website:

http://www.911fsa.org/

"....The failure to keep out unauthorized aliens led directly to the 9/11 attacks and the deaths of our loved ones.

The problem is massive (there are an estimated 10 million illegal aliens in the US) and has grown over a span of 30 years. A succession of Presidents and Congresses have permitted and even encouraged this situation. Congress, eager to evade accountability, has blamed the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). But the policies, regulations, funding and staffing of the INS are subject to the absolute control of the President and the Congress.

Members of both the Democrat and Republican parties who oppose immigration reform have made their own political survival more important than our national security by catering to special interests. But independent polls show that approximately 75% of Americans want drastic immigration reform immediately.

Sounds absolutely bigoted to me, and you can bet every single one of these folks voted for Shrub.

So, I find myself in the unlikely position of actually backing Sen. Lieberman in this instance.

[Senator Lamb]

9. wow

DU members defending Joe Lieberman.

[IndianaGreen]

10. Perhaps it is because his detractors are racist and xenophobic

Lieberman gets kudos whenever he does right, which is not very often.

[matcom]

36. REALLY???

I AM A RACIST NOW????

fuck you. i HATE LIEberman for a LOT of reasons. now, you call ME a racist?

nice

[IndianaGreen]

44. Who are you?

I haven't even thought of you when I wrote what I wrote, I was referring to those rightwing wackos in the article. Your outrage is misplaced.

[Moloch]

In this rare case...

I agree with Lieberman.

[E_Smith]

14. so are you saying

that illegal immigration is not a problem?

[IndianaGreen]

16. There are a lot of illegal Irish immigrants in America

but it is the immigrants of color that seem to be the exclusive concern of those organizations that cry for immigration reform.

[quiet.american]

19. The "Big Lie" is the problem

This group is using the tragic events of 9/11 as an excuse to run amok with their own bigotry. They state "The failure to keep out unauthorized aliens led directly to the 9/11 attacks and the deaths of our loved ones."

This is disingenuous at best.

The failure of Shrub, Rice and Cheney to take urgent action on information they were given time and time again, not only by our own intelligence agencies, but by those of our allies, is what directly led to the events of 9/11 -- not "unauthorized immigration."

[noclonyofthechimp]

46. Exactly! Everyone seems to go to the aftermath and the how, which

is very necessary, but it sickens me how they slimed right through the fact that they were just to arrogant to listen.

[Bridget Burke]

24. Those who supposedly pulled off 9/11 got here legally.

None of them swam that river.

Leiberman is right this time.

[DinahMoeHum]

33. Right. They "gamed the system"

n/t

[calimary]

15. Notice also the reference to "the Democrat and Republican parties"

Democrat. Red flag there that tips you off these are essentially freepers in sheep's clothing.

DemocratIC party, thank you very much.

And YES, the word "families" in their name is another red flag. It's really ashame that these people have further perverted an otherwise harmless word - yet another page taken out of the gospel according to newt gingrich - about how to demonize the left and make reactionaries sound downright lovable - appealing especially to women by strategic use of the words "family" or "families," "children," and all those warm-fuzzy-type words. Two things that should be an IMMEDIATE tipoff to which direction their agenda comes from.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

20. Why do the repubs do that?

Drop the IC I mean?

[w4rma]

30. For the same reason they refer to Democrats as RATs. To dishonor. (nt)

[Moloch]

32. That is weird...

Every time you see conservative media, they always refer to "The Democrat Party". It is exclusively referred to as such by Faux news in particular.

[Straight Shooter]

34. They do it because they can't take the time to think of the correct word.

Democrat party, Democratic party, it's just too much "hard work" to figure out which word is correct.

The brain of a Republican zealot can only hold a limited amount of information. Nuance escapes them completely. Flat-earth mentality.

[GRLMGC]

43. Yes

Democrat is a noun
Democratic is an adjective
You cannot modify a noun with another noun, the noun in this case being "party"

If you live in America, learn English! :evilgrin:

[Leilani]

21. They are targeting Lieberman & Collins

but there's a certain intensity to criticisms of Lieberman. Some of these families live in Connecticut, & he's their Senator.

[IndianaGreen]

22. The intensity may well be because Lieberman is a Jew

and you are dealing with people that see anyone that doesn't believe in their version of Jesus as someone that is eternally damned.

anti-Semitism is alive and well in the 21st century!

[rodeodance]

38. Lieberman is one of those centrist Dems--too much for me most of the

time. but, I, too think that the immigration stuff should be delt with separately.

[KittyWampus]

27. Thanks For Doing The Digging.

[Old and In the Way]

31. Absolutely right.

If Bush wanted this, it would have easily paased. What was the Senate vote? 98-2? Joe's objections would be thrown aside like a used Kleenex.

Look at the source.....pure deflectionary propaganda by the Republicans.

[Cocoa]

37. 98-2

exactly right.

I'm not going to visit the vile lying CNS site, but I'd guess they don't mention that vote. Of course they can't because it immediately makes the claim that Lieberman or any senator obstructed this bill look absurd.

[Bouncy Ball]

35. Yick.

I have to say, if this is their mission statement, I back Lieberman in this case, too.

[sattahipdeep]

11. The Israeli "art student" mystery

... in particular, the DEA. No one knows why -- and no one seems to
want to find out. - - - - By Christopher Ketcham

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html

[papau]

29. Later info showed the "art Student"&the van across the river - were Bull

not related to terrorists or 911 in any way

[flying_blind]

39. More on this untold Big Story

http://www.911-strike.com/dea-il-spy.htm

http://antiwar.com/rep/DEA_Report_redactedxx.pdf (4.7MB) - REMARKABLE READING!

[Moloch]

40. There's a bunch of stuff about that on

Whatreallyhappened.com also.

[flying_blind]

41. the DEA report is linked in my earlier post - Prima Facie FACTS

that the gubmint does not want out there

[cindyw]

12. This is a right wing, anti-immigrant group.

Why are you quoting them. If you do a google search you will find their group mentioned favorable on many right wing immigrant hate sites. They seek as a group to do nothing more than stop immigration and prevent amnesty at all costs. Look for yourself. Their efforts in public have only been to blame and attack Dems in this manner.

edited for spelling

[gatorboy]

13. crosswalk.com? CNSNews.com???

I'm sorry, but these "news" groups are about as far right as you can get, especially the original source here, CNSNews. Any link for this story from a less conservative source?

[Moloch]

17. 911 Families Launch National Ad Campaign Insisting Immigration Safeguards

WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 /U.S. Newswire/ -- 911 Families for a Secure America, representing more than 300 families whose relatives were victims of the 911 terrorists attacks, held a press conference today at the Capitol to set the record straight on the 911 bill and what they call "the true obstructionist".

The Families identified Sen. Joe Lieberman (news - web sites) as the primary obstacle to passage of the 911 Bill due to his insistence that no immigration safeguards be included in the proposed legislation.

911 Families in conjunction with United to Secure America launched a national ad campaign today praising 911 conferees who have had the courage to stand up to Lieberman. The ad says, "Lieberman opposes fixing drivers license loopholes and inconveniencing illegal aliens, even though it could cost American lives." The spot concludes with Peter Gadiel asking listeners to call 911 conferees and encourage them only to support a bill that includes immigration safeguards, "so more Americans don't end up like my son, Jamie." The campaign is running in major media markets throughout the country for an undisclosed period and could be augmented with 911 Family appearances in key markets including Connecticut.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usnw/20041130/pl_usnw/911_families_launch_national_ad_campaign_insisting_immigration_safeguards_be_part_of_911_bill__ads_criticize_lieberman_for_obst

[gatorboy]

23. I can't believe they picked up a story by the woman that wrote this.

The CNSNews.com Morning Editor, Susan Jones whom wrote this is about as bigoted Republican as you can get:

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200408\POL20040827b.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200401\CUL20040108b.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\\Culture\\archive\\200311\\CUL20031113c.html

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200407\CUL20040719a.html

What happened to balanced journalism?

EDIT: For some reason the links are putting in spaces when I post.. Take the sapce out between the "=" and the "/" and the links work fine. Sorry!

[leesa]

18. It would be a mistake to adopt this bogus commission's recommendations

I don't think the point is Lieberman's objections...his usual ignore the elephant in the living room approach to governance. The point is that this is designed to maximize fascism. ALL the laws we need to prevent terrorism are already in place. The problem is that our government refuses to follow the law.

[pk_du]

25. ..and as for the drivers license issue

...US has one for every state...I havent seen a Security Person in any airport that truely knows more than their own state license.

[IndianaGreen]

26. I don't want the federal government to infringe on State's police powers

anymore than it already has. Keep Uncle Sam away from the States' driving licenses, and marriage licenses!

[w4rma]

28. I retract my opinion after reading post #3 (nt)