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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:39 AM
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November Job Growth Unexpectedly Soft (112,000)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A surprisingly soft 112,000 new U.S. jobs were created in November, the Labor Department (news - web sites) said on Friday, casting a shadow across an already downbeat holiday sales season with consumers apparently worried by scarce work and high oil prices.

The November figure -- the weakest since July -- came in well below Wall Street economists' forecasts for 180,000 new jobs, though the unemployment rate eased to 5.4 percent from 5.5 percent in October.

In addition, Labor lowered its estimates for job growth in both September and October. October's gain was marked down to 303,000 from an originally reported 337,000-job increase. The department cut September's total to 119,000 from 139,000.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=749&e=1&u=/nm/20041203/bs_nm/economy_employment_dc
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:40 AM
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1. It wasn't a suprise for the people who voted for Kerry
cuz we knew there aren't that many jobs being created...
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:46 AM
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4. Of course September and October were "revised downward"
after the election.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:51 AM
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7. oh of course...cuz Corporate Pravda has to help out *
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:26 PM
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24. This one will be reduced as well...
Count on that.
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Ms_Mary Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:01 AM
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11. I heard it on this AM and had to wonder
How could it possibly be unexpected?

The dollar is setting new record lows. The deficit is setting new record highs. The trade deficit in unbelievable. Outsourcing is all the rage. Even the retail giants are reporting "suprisingly" slow sales this holiday season. Who couldn't have seen that coming? :tinfoilhat:
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:28 AM
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21. Yep
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:42 AM
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2. "Unexpectedly"?
Oh right, we're not living under a rock like *co. :eyes:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:15 PM
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28. Unexpectedly??
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:45 AM
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3. And they issued "corrections" of Oct and Sept's inflated numbers
What a surprise!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:57 AM
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10. net increase is only 58,000 new jobs - n/t
:-(
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:07 AM
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12. Excluding 54000 new pretend stay at home, only 4,000 new jobs
http://www.bls.gov/web/cesbd.htm

2003 Net Birth/Death Adjustment (in thousands) Supersector Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
Natural Resources & Mining
-1 1 1 0 1 1 1 -1 0
Construction
13 35 28 -8 16 9 8 -7 -8
Manufacturing
-15 5 5 -29 6 3 -7 3 1
Trade, Transportation, & Utilities
-4 21 18 -19 17 17 13 17 18
Information
-3 4 0 -4 2 0 -1 3 3
Financial Activities
9 8 6 -11 8 4 14 7 13
Professional & Business Services
61 32 21 -22 31 15 18 10 9
Education & Health Services
32 6 -4 -20 14 12 26 10 7
Leisure & Hospitality
29 72 83 40 24 -29 -27 -14 15
Other Services
7 8 6 -10 5 1 0 2 4
Total
128 192 164 -83 124 33 45 30 62



2004 Net Birth/Death Adjustment (in thousands) Supersector Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
Natural Resources & Mining
-4 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0
Construction
-66 7 27 38 39 31 -7 16 10 2 -7
Manufacturing
-38 4 7 3 8 7 -22 4 6 -10 5
Trade, Transportation, & Utilities
-61 9 22 19 23 22 -15 21 19 10 22
Information
-5 5 2 2 3 1 -6 3 -2 2 4
Financial Activities
-12 10 9 16 7 10 -18 8 6 11 10
Professional & Business Services
-95 27 31 66 26 24 -32 24 14 41 17
Education & Health Services
-6 15 10 37 11 -2 -10 17 15 29 12
Leisure & Hospitality
-24 33 37 80 71 81 30 21 -31 -40 -10
Other Services
-10 5 7 9 6 7 -11 5 2 -3 1
Total
-321 115 153 270 195 182 -91 120 39 42 54
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:39 PM
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25. Ah, you mean the Ebay Entrepreneurs?
I'd forgotten them. Crashcart called them self-employed, but they call it selling off heirlooms to pay the rent.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:46 AM
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5. A surprisingly soft?
Oh man, the media bias is getting worse. That phrase sounds rather subjective to me.

What, we were supposed to expect something different from the current Regime?
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:46 AM
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6. And the decline in the unemployment rate is a bad thing.
When the unemployment rate went up last month it represented people who had been out of work and stopped looking for work, restarting a job search. It looks like that surge in employment was short lived. Usually there is a spike up due to Christmas hiring. This is pretty bad news for the economy. Especially those of us in the bottom 80%.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:56 AM
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8. Some even better news!
Weekly earnings DROPPED and retailers CUT employees.

Oh yeah...look at the economy getting stronger!!!!!

:eyes:
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:57 AM
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9. That damn Bill Clinton
and his private part are still destroying this economy.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:13 AM
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13. Brian Lamb just announced...
"The unemployment rate has dropped to 5.4%." Oh joy, happy days are here again!
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:16 AM
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14. The Forecasters Would Do Better Sampling From Those Looking
For work.

Unemployed here 54 months; No significant inquiry in two years.

The unemployed could have told all that Main street is still on skid row.

The "dope" they are smoking on Wall street is definitely on limited distribution.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:18 AM
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15. Unexpectedly?????
Unexpectedly to whom I ask? Some of us here in the real world of life can look around us and see there are no jobs and people are working at or below their level and getting paid half (if they're lucky) of what they made in the Clinton years.

The corporate whores in the media continue to disgust me.
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DFWJock Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:20 AM
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16. Still
turning that corner!
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:25 AM
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20. Isn't there a rut in the ground already?
You'd think so from all that "corner turning"
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:21 AM
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17. This analyst's comment doesn't bode well for December jobs.
(LINK)

Even though jobless claims jumped last week, analysts said it would not affect the November employment report, scheduled for release on Friday. They noted the monthly survey for November was completed well before the rise in claims. Analysts expect payroll jobs to be reported up 180,000.

It sounds to me like December's report should be even worse. Don't Y'all just love the Shrub Inc economic management policy? I left my Kerry/Edwards sticker on my truck because I wanted to make sure that everyone knows that I didn't vote for this idiot.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:23 AM
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18. Just wait for JANUARY's report
When all those newly hired for the holidays get CUT.

It's gonna be a MESS
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:24 AM
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19. Maybe Bush was "expecting" a spurt of year-end holiday jobs.
I haven't seen too many department store "hiring for the holidays" ads lately--they're usually posted by now. I applied for one of those jobs two years ago, but a long-term temp job came through two days later. I remember I was only one of six people hired.

:headbang:
rocknation
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:36 AM
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22. Not the least bit unexpected.
Maybe it's time to hire real economists?
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:25 PM
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23. * isn't going to hire one...that's for sure...
Can't do that...reality would cause him to melt.

Boy King MUST be insulated from the truth.
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kitchen girl Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:42 PM
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26. My husband has been unemployed since August.
We're not surprised! :eyes:
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:44 PM
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27. don't we need to gain about 150,000 per month for it to mean anything?
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 06:23 PM by sonicx
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:19 PM
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29. Exactly so!
Well, maybe not exactly but it's a widely accepted figure.
Which means many of the monthly "job creation" numbers they've posted over the course of this nightmare were actually representing job shrinkage.
Just more hooey from the Masters of Hooey.
I read in that story that shrub is just 313,000 jobs from "breaking even" over the past four years and I believe that's bullsh*t.
I doubt he's anywhere near that close.
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