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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:40 PM
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Jihadists wired to explode (on heroin and speed says Myers)
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/258611p-221360c.html

Some suicide bombers who battled U.S. troops in Fallujah were doped up on heroin and speed, the Pentagon's top general said yesterday.
Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and his aides said the suicidal jihadists used the drugs for courage or to motivate them into martyrdom.

<snip>

But when asked to account for the fanaticism of some of the fighters, Myers said, "The other thing you need to understand is...the number of drugs found there as well."

A top Pentagon source told the Daily News there were "numerous reports" out of the battle of U.S. soldiers stumbling onto small amounts of drugs and paraphernalia in insurgent safehouses around Fallujah.

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The Pentagon also acknowledged yesterday that the price of taking Fallujah was higher than previously reported, as the death toll for Americans in the city was raised from 51 to 71.



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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:44 PM
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1. well damn, they didn't know that they had 20 soldiers missing.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:59 PM
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11. But that's only a footnote to the story.
Concentrate on the drugs.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:11 PM
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22. I think they are using those drugs.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:25 PM
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19. They'll probably add-on 20 more next week
and 20 more the week after that...
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:45 PM
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2. and german troops
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 02:46 PM by jukes
bashed baby heads in belgium during WWI, & the german machinegunners were all chained to their guns...

you'd think the amer. public was no longwer, that gullible, but you'd be wrong.

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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:46 PM
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3. Oh drugs, yeah, thats the ticket
Puhleeze! First these folks are far right Muslim fanatics, who would be barred from drugs by their religious convictions, then they are hopped up druggies...Make up your freeakin mind Myers.....The simple truth would be that most of them are trying to rid their nation of invaders, as would I be doing should an invading army was in my cities.....
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:47 PM
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4. AND
just like 'Nam, any 1 finding drugs wd immediately USE them!
:hippie:
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:01 PM
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29. Unlike "Nam
This is a moslem nation, thus drugs and hookers are not so readily available.......mighty scarce even.One might say nonexistent, at least until we got there....Now Afghanistan is a horse of another color,insofar as drugs are concerned. Before America installed the warlord controlled reign there opium poppies were harvested and smuggled to Pakistan where the Heroin was actually produced. Now, using American know how, the warlords are making the Heroin themselves, eliminating the middle man and increasing profits.....Incidentally good for Pakistan where the numbers of addicts are dropping.
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:47 PM
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5. And Nyquil, man.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:42 PM
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25. They're saying these guys were on heroin?
Yeah right - so they were fighting in their dreams? Doesn't that stuff knock people out?

What a bunch of horse sh*t!

So -
Now we've gone from no WMD, to Saddam is a murderer, to "We're bringing freedom and Democracy", to starting a war on drugs over there?
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:50 PM
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6. How soon we forget about GoPills....
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:51 PM
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7. Just like US fighter pilots, I guess
Of course, the fighter pilots drugs are administered by a 'flight surgeon'.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:42 PM
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21. During the height of the fighting in Fallujah...
reports were that some troops had been up 2 or 3 days. I wondered at the time if they'd been given drugs.
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:52 PM
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8. Oh..
.. so drugs are only bad when the enemy is using them? Because I remember a story about USAF pilots in Afghanistan taking speed to help them stay awake while flying to the bombing runs.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:52 PM
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9. what a coincidence
heroin in wide supply in Iraq right after Afghanis resumed poppy production with the fall of the taliban....and the war planners couldn't have predicted this? wtf
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:02 PM
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12. the flip side
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 03:02 PM by jukes
north viet nam was instrumental in circulating heroine during the war, as a psy warfare ploy. we'll be getting junkies coming home soon.

no diss to the troops, but they WILL seek escape from the horrors...
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:06 PM
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16. It was the CIA circulating heroin during the Vietnam war
Google 'Golden Triangle Air America CIA' for more.

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:29 PM
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28. John Prine's song didn't name any war....
Sam Stone came home,
To his wife and family
After serving in the conflict overseas.
And the time that he served,
Had shattered all his nerves,
And left a little shrapnel in his knee.
But the morphine eased the pain,
And the grass grew round his brain,
And gave him all the confidence he lacked,
With a Purple Heart and a monkey on his back.

Chorus:
There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes,
Jesus Christ died for nothin' I suppose.
Little pitchers have big ears,
Don't stop to count the years,
Sweet songs never last too long on broken radios.


Another flashback...


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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:54 PM
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10. Is this a setup, to counteract rumors of marines on speed?
The marines were in action for a long period of time. We know the air force uses go pills. This makes me wonder. Often, when Myers accuses the enemy of something, rumors soon surface to the same effect about U.S. troops.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:05 PM
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15. Ding Ding Ding
You are correct sir, in about a week, we will hear a bunch of stories of our guys on crank and smack. Same shit as Nam. You couldn't get out of Nam if you tested positive for drugs from what I remember. Same thing probably happening in the other Nam (known as Iraq).
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:04 PM
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13. During Viet Nam
The official line was that the Viet Cong were hopped up on drugs, so they would fight more effectively.

Same shit, Different flies.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:06 PM
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30. Never heard that one
But the US troops were certainly shit faced most times....Remember the Moros in the Philippines for whom the .45 caliber sidearm was created........
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:05 PM
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14. US soldiers doped with baptismal water!!
eom
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:20 PM
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17. Send the DEA to Iraq

and solve the troop level problem.
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74dodgedart Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:22 PM
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18. They also found porn and Rock-n-Roll records
Truly the devils work..
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:28 PM
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20. More ass talk from the Pentagon.
These assholes just spout out whatever appeals to the conservative masses. The message were supposed to get from this is drug users = terrorists and terrorists = drug users.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:06 PM
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26. Exactly
However, it also plays into the conservative bigotry that Arabs cannot fight bravely without being hopped up on something.

Never mind that guy who blew himself up defending his home, after all he was just a cowardly stoner.:eyes:
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:28 PM
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34. And If This Doesn't Work
They'll start releasing stories that all the insurgents are gay and have been getting married, and they were crapping in bibles, or something.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:22 PM
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23. drugs = terror
the link is now proved.

commence executing hippies.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:34 PM
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24. C'mon - This is just Beyond Pathetic - Now it's a War on drugs
Oh now were calling them drug addicts. Oh now we're even more motivated because we're fighting a war on Drugs. Give me a break. Wtfup!

The bottom line is that these are people defending their homes. Get used to it, admit it, and stop being so g-damn gullible people.

If America was invaded, and as nationalistic as we are, we would be terrorist for defending our homes
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:23 PM
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27. Like our soldiers aren't on drugs either?
Remember the pilots put on speed to stay awake for long flights. I imagine that shit is being put in the soldiers food just to make them fall in line and drink the Kool-aid.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:49 PM
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31. I'm trying to envision a person on Heroin and Speed...
and all I see is someone so totally fucking out of it that he can't function at all.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:55 PM
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32. What crap.
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MileHiStealth Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:14 PM
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33. That so called chemical stash did look like ....
a Meth Lab ...
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