AP Breaking: Rumsfeld to stay in Bush Cabinet...

[Cooley Hurd]

As per an unnamed Bush official.

NY Newsday link

Rumsfeld to stay on as defense secretary

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

December 3, 2004, 5:01 PM EST


WASHINGTON -- President Bush asked Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who directed American military forces in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to remain at the Pentagon and he agreed to stay, a senior administration official said Friday.

Bush and Rumsfeld decided on the secretary's future during an Oval Office meeting. Whether or not Rumsfeld would remain had been the last big question mark about Bush's Cabinet for his second term.

Rumsfeld's tenure has been marked by unanticipated postwar violence in Iraq and more than 1,250 U.S. deaths.

Describing Bush's decision, the administration official said the president believed Rumsfeld was "the right person at this moment in our history in fighting the war on terror to lead our armed forces."
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[Sannum]

1. so now

it's breaking news when a rat doesn't jump ship?

[babylonsister]

2. Why is this 'breaking'?

Was he announcing his resignation or something?

[Cooley Hurd]

5. Pre-election, there was quite a bit of talk that he was on his way out

And, given the fact that everything he touched at the DoD turned to shit, he should've been fired right along with Condi...

This Presidency is a train wreck that keeps on wrecking...

[Rob H.]

16. Fired, hell!

Look at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib--that motherfucker should be in jail!

[Sara Beverley]

19. Biggest non-story of the night. The neocons are in control.

We all know Rummy is one of them and Bush was told to announce that he was asking Rummy to stay on.

[saigon68]

47. The chimpanzee is following orders

From his NeoCon Masters -- And President CHENEY in particular

[Fenris]

3. Oh hooray.

The one person who seriously needed to be replaced is going to stick around. Well, I suppose he's better than Wolfowitz. But not by much.

[yardwork]

26. He's not the only one. We also get to keep Gale Norton. Woo hoo.

[medeak]

4. CNN "he never admits he's losing in any endeavor"

LOL

[flamingyouth]

29. That's apparently considered a good quality

in the Bush administration. :D

[leftchick]

6. anyone surprised?

not I.

[Dover]

10. Not at all. Didn't believe all the rumors that he would be replaced.

Rummy has told everyone he can fly....

Wouldn't want to change course now with the cliff dead ahead, and miss the spectacle.

[girl gone mad]

31. I didn't either.

I couldn't count the number of conservatives who told me they "knew" Bush would get rid of Rumsfeld in his second term. I told them there's no way Rumsfeld will be replaced. For one thing, to do so would be to admit that mistakes were made wrt the war, and Bush isn't about to make such an admission. This is an administration that rewards ineptitude.

[kskiska]

7. Well, I guess Condi isn't getting that job after all

I thought maybe they were postponing her confirmation as Sec. of State because Rummy may be exiting, and that she'd wait and be confirmed as Sec. of Defense instead, which is what she wanted.

[joanski01]

8. Now ain't that just the biggest

surprise!!!! Not. He's not through wrecking the world yet, and he's certainly not killed enough people yet.

[w4rma]

9. We are truely watching to fall of America. Bin Laden should be pleased

with himself. Bin Laden played these whackos in the Republican Party, who support bankrupting America's economy and support tossing our resources into a black hole, like violins.

[flying_blind]

34. Of course he is. He's a friend of Bush's, helping with the corporate

takeover of our country.

Why no one seems to see this is Beyond Me.

His trail gone cold....
Paks stop the hunt for him....

how fucking transparent need things be?

[Generator]

11. Whew! what a relief

With ole scummy at the helm of Iraq, we are guaranteed more of the same. I hear Iraq is a good place for spring break, no?

[Pithy Cherub]

12. So this is now about who is the most imcompetent bush cabinet

leader? It would not be right not to have a cancer from the old team compete for top imcompetent. If anything, Rumsfailed's tenure should be relatively short as quality of life issues are not improving in Iraq, a Shia Iraq government is a distinct possibility and there is a visible morale problem with the troops.

The question is are all the under secretaries going to stay to ensure the insidious Rummy groupthink continues?

[aquart]

13. No one willing to take the job?

[ewagner]

14. Oh come on.............!!!!

Rummy and Cheney tell Bush what to do!!!!

Did anyone honestly think he'd be leaving?

[goclark]

28. And Poppy tells Rummy and Cheney

what to do.

Poppy is always in the middle.

[Pirate Smile]

15. CNN Breaking News said "Bush asks Rumsfeld to stay" - INCOMPETENCE

will always be rewarded in this WH.

They are so consistent with that rule about keeping and promoting incompetence.

Thank God, Bush never waivers or questions anything, they could actually learn from their mistakes that way. :eyes:

[saracat]

17. Maybe , with the others eliminated, this means Rummy is

Bush's Brain? Notice all the so called "moderates" are gone?

[Pirate Smile]

20. Other then Powell and perhaps Danforth (maybe not moderate but at

least somewhat reasonable), what other moderates were there? Whitman left a long time ago. I'm just trying to think of some and I can't.

Anyone who was completely wrong on Iraq and 9/11 - you we are keeping, everyone else, get out!

[saracat]

23. The Ag Sec, and Thompson and Ridge. maybe Paige.

By moderate, their definition, not mine. Means not certifiably insane!

[sonicx]

18. Has anyone ever comfronted him with the Saddam handshake photo?

[ChicanoPwr]

21. He was never planning to leave

Rumsfeld is needed, while we are looking at what is happening Iraq, Remsfeld was already making plans about retaking all of Latin and South America. It is going to be Iran/Contra Round 2.

It is all right here on this link.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1406387&mesg_id=1406387

[joanski01]

22. I'll bet Wolfowitz, Doug Feith,

and Cambone are staying too. They are having the time of their lives!!! So's General Meyers.

[Disturbed]

24. War Crimes

Rumsfailed cannot be fired for many reasons but the main one is that he would be charged with War Crimes if he was not insulated by the Neo Facsist Power Alliance.


Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?



=========================
Q: Senator Jack Reed (Dem, RI): "If you were shown
a video of a United States Marine or an American
citizen in control of a foreign power, in a cell block,
naked with a bag over their head, squatting with their
arms uplifted for 45 minutes, would you describe that
as a good interrogation technique or a violation of
the Geneva Convention?"

A: Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the vice chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff: "I would describe it as a violation."

A: Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense: "What
you've described to me sounds to me like a violation of the
Geneva Convention."

Thursday, May 13, 2004, Senate Armed Services Committee hearings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-20...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25737-2004May13.htm

[saigon68]

46. Meyers loves Napalming kids to death. --(War Crimes)

I'll bet he goes home to masterbate every night after seeing the casualty reports.

He is the chief WAR CRIMINAL -- this generation's Heinrich Himmler

[Bono71]

25. It's like Bush wakes up every morning and says,

"Let's see, what can I do to piss off rational people today."

[Harlan James]

27. How Could The Cheney/Rumsfeld Administration Fire Itself?

Rummy and Dick have always run the Bush administration. To think otherwise is to be naive.

[Just Me]

30. Jesus. I feel faint. They're going to go all the way.

Our poor children.

:cry:

God help us.

I gotta' go hug my son.

[BareskinMatt]

32. Be honest...who exactly could replace his evil grin in the face of doom?

Is there not one other persons that could take his unique place in our hearts? :evilgrin:

[springhill]

33. Well I am not surprised at all..........

The two people who absolutely should have been let go. Rumsfeld and Rice. Rice gets promoted and Rumsfeld gets left in a position where he has failed, and failed miserably. Excuse me, I did forget about Ashcroft, but since they are replacing him with someone worse, well, I just don't know what to say about that.

Also, now that I think about what I just said, maybe Rumsfeld isn't failing miserably. Maybe he is carrying out his duties just the way Cheney and Bush want him to. Chaos to us may be just what they have wanted to create. No better way to expand their little venture of death and destruction.

[Dinger]

35. I Always Thought Rummy Knows Too Much

I thought so when the Abu Gharaib (sp) prisoner abuse scandal was happening, and I think so now. Therefore, he is not expendable (to bu$h) In fact, I wonder who of the defectees, if any, will talk, via book, or something else. My guess is Powell.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

36. Typical. * keeps the fuck ups

Get's rid of the moderates

[cliss]

37. RumsFailed is nothing but an operative

for his masters behind the scenes. He does their bidding. Here's what puzzles me: if these guys (RumsFailed, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, Feith, Cambone, Myers, Sanchez and many others) are nothing but doing their masters' bidding, what does this tell us about the Masters?

HOW can these people put up with this incompetent behavior? Just because these stooges are loyal? Don't they care about getting the job done? Don't they care about their reputation? Never mind.

What does this tell us about the Masters? Arre they as incompetent as their stooges? You know the old saying: Like attracts like. Birds of a feather and all that.

Now THAT makes me really worried.

[DistressedAmerican]

38. Jump You Rat!

I do have a question here. How does Rumsfeld staying rate big news coverage when you don't hear a word about things like the letter sent to Ohio Sec. of State Blackwell be the House Judiciary Comittee DEMANDING answers about the state's highly flawed election results (the letter can be read in its ehtirety at my website below). Seems kind of stupid to me to report the status quo still exists. That being said, I still made a graphic to note the event. Maybe I do care afterall...
DA

http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/main.htm

[Swamp Rat]

39. PNAC is the Bush Administration is PNAC

[proudbluestater]

40. I read yesterday the neocons wanted him out...

but today he came out with threatening words toward Iran, so I they'll be happy if he stays now. So long as nobody strays from the radical neocon policies, they are welcome.

[DireStrike]

41. "You can have the defense department when you pry it from my cold, dead...

hands! And by golly, they've been cold and dead lately. I've got to have a chat with that necromancer fellow."

[daleo]

42. The only way Rummy is leaving is in a plane crash

As someone said, he knows too much to be fired, and he likes the death and destruction too much to leave voluntarily.

[Kenergy]

43. Rewarding incompetance

A hallmark of the Bush administration

[Mabel Dodge]

44. I need your opinions

Would now be a good time to order that "Don't blame me I voted for Kerry" bumper sticker?

[Spider Jerusalem]

45. Not a surprise.

Rumsfeld HAS to stay. For him to leave would be seen as a tacit admission on Bush's part that the war was going badly. That alone is probably reason enough for Bush to refuse his resignation should he tender it.

[DistressedAmerican]

48. Now you are on it

You hit the nail right on the head. This is just part of the long practiced principle of never admitting mistakes even in the face of thousands of deaths. God forbid George be more fallable than the Pope...
DA
p.s. Rummy looks like a cross between skeletor and a stereotypical grannie. Depands on his mood. I think he has both inside fighting to get out.