Driver Runs Over Teens After Ball Hits SUV

[Sequoia]

ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. (AP) -- A woman ran over two teenage brothers after they accidentally hit her sport utility vehicle with a golf ball they were bouncing in a parking lot, officials said. One of the boys suffered life-threatening injuries.

The 14- and 16-year-old boys were bouncing the golf ball in a shopping center parking lot Sunday afternoon when it went astray and struck the SUV driven by 47-year-old Kathy Feaganes Allen, sheriff's Deputy Greg Suchy said.

No damage was done, and the boys apologized and began to walk away, Suchy said. Allen started to drive away, but suddenly made a U-turn, ran over a median and struck the teens before knocking over a light pole, Suchy said.

She then allegedly went after a third brother, but did not hit him. A witness said that after the SUV came to rest, Allen got out of the car and smoked a cigarette with the boys lying on the ground in pain.

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http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=2655578

[bluestateguy]

1. Execute her

I'm serious.

[InvisibleBallots]

9. it's attempted murder, battery, gervious bodily harm

People have been executed for less.

[Fenris]

21. And smoke a cigarette afterwards.

[TahitiNut]

25. Simple solution: raise taxes on cigarettes even more.

:eyes:

[librechik]

164. i agree-nicotine fits are an undiscovered cause of many crimes of passion

it gets you riled up for sure!

[TahitiNut]

174. Yup. Evil weed. Just as bad as heroin, according to the PTB.

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

82. heh

somehow I bet that went right over the bloodthirsty heads.

[Renew Deal]

32. Me too

What the fuck is wrong with people? Shooting cats. Running down kids. Crazy shit

[Blue_Tires]

33. no arguement here

i swear i hate reading about crap like this...this is twilight zone america we're living in

[George_S]

74. It's the mass media effort to keep us scared and vigilant

Oh, wait, this isn't Fox.

[Jack_DeLeon]

50. I agree...

that bitch deserves the death penalty.

[fortyfeetunder]

179. No, I want her @$$ in jail

Not some little low security pristine place, but a maximum security place where she is definitely in the minority. Line her room with the pictures of those three boys. She might want to die in the hell she created. Who needs the state then?

[depakid]

67. What the hell is wrong with you people?

Your reactionary posts elicit the same sort of thoughtless, vengeful responses that this woman obviously had. Perhaps for better reason- but equally intemperate.

Get a grip.

[Forkboy]

83. These people calling for her death are exactly the same as her

:puke:

[Jack_DeLeon]

90. bullshit...

some kids might die because she thought they damaged her precious SUV. She thought her SUV > the lives of those kids.

If those kids die I think she too deserves to die. I think the lives of several innocent people are > her life.

[depakid]

94. "deserve" hasn't got much to do with it

from a rational perspective.

[Forkboy]

96. OMG she killed someone!

Quick,let's kill her to show how much more civilized we are!

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

166. there is enough killing in this world-she should be punished yes but

not executed.

[snooper2]

136. Bullshit, I thought about it for all of 3 minutes...

The bitch should be run over....

Then I will have a smoke... :smoke:

[Forkboy]

81. You would be serious

[SammyWinstonJack]

143. Run her over with her own SUV

:grr:

[Cooley Hurd]

2. No decaf for this woman...

Jeebus, what a nut...:eyes:

[The Zanti Regent]

61. now now now, she was merely emulating her idol Pickles

and she'll get away with murder, too!

[acmavm]

3. This is one miserable f******* bitch who deserves the death penalty if

one of those boys die. This a pure, premeditated murder.

And I bet she's a republican fundie rat's ass as well.

[sakabatou]

39. She's liable for the death sentence if one of the boys dies

Either that or multiple life sentences w/o bail and parole.

[regnaD kciN]

44. Not a chance...

...haven't you heard about the "SUV Defense?" It's now automatically considerd justifiable self-defense if you're taking action to prevent damage to your SUV.

(By the way, why the f*** does anyone need an SUV in Florida, anyway? It's the flattest state in the U.S.!)

[sakabatou]

47. Uh-huh

Okay, but I don't think it will work in this case.

[FLSurfer]

72. Swamps and Hurricanes

[Swamp Rat]

79. Both of which makes it more dangerous to be in an SUV.

Since I live in the swamp, I know.

[FLSurfer]

163. Won't argue the point SwampRat, I drive a

Volkswagon Van. But, I have had water coming in my doors on occasion.

[tsuki]

132. I think tho, we have the highest per capita ownership of SUVs with support

your troop stickers on the back.

BTW, doesn't she realize that she is attempting to kill cannon fodder that Bushco needs so she can top off her SUV?

[ilovenicepeople]

135. Does SUV stand for Support Unconscious Violence ?

[NashVegas]

101. No, She's Not

Even a barely competent lawyer will argue involuntary manslaughter. A good lawyer will get a plea bargain for even less.

[GiovanniC]

118. Involuntary?

Does that word still mean what it used to mean?

[NashVegas]

144. Not in a Courtroom

not when plea bargaining is in the mix. If this woman were wealthy it would be reduced to next to nothing.

[Jack_DeLeon]

162. this is why I would support some...

vigilante justice.

[GiovanniC]

178. I'm Not Talking About Plea Bargaining

You said that they would ARGUE involuntary manslaughter. That's different than getting an involuntary manslaughter PLEA.

[calimary]

131. Compassionate conservative, perhaps?

I wonder if she had a bush/cheney sticker on her bumper, or "God Bless America" or "I brake for Jesus"?

What a horrible Christmas for the family of those boys. Prayers, guys.

Somebody please tell me WHEN does this END?

[lectrobyte]

151. I never understood why attempted murder wasn't punished the same as

murder. After all, the intent was there, so why reward incompetence?

[Coyul]

4. Is Katherine Harris using an alias these days?

...Sounds like something she would do.
How freakin pathetic. Hope the boys live and sue her for everything she has or will ever own....even after she gets out of jail for attempted murder!

There is a special place in Hell for those who feel privileged enough to run over those who would dare damage her SUV. I think they call it Texas, but I could be wrong - :evilgrin:

[SmokingJacket]

7. Or Teresa LePore.... n/t

[genieroze]

58. She has a public defender. She can afford a SUV and gas but not

a lawyer?

[reprobate]

128. Who CAN afford a lawyer these days?

[SemperEadem]

145. exactly the reason why one should wait a day before taking action

that would require a lawyer.

IN lieu of the death penalty, I say picket in front of her house, calling her a murderer and child killer.

[Mr_Spock]

60. Don't you mean Katherine WHORis?

I hate that good for nothing election stealing whore. She ought to get the death penalty too for what the nation has gone through since her criminal behavior.

[BikeWriter]

89. "I think they call it Texas, but I could be wrong -"

**Sniff!**

[distantearlywarning]

5. Was there a Bush/Cheney 2004 sticker on the back?

I bet there was...

[rooboy]

16. My thoughts exactly. n/t

[DemoTex]

35. My thought too.

The SUV is probably in the impound lot in St. Johns county. Any DU snoopers with cameras down St. Augustine way? JC Mach used to be in Palatka, but I think he went to the UAE to teach school.

[1monster]

189. Well, I know the sheriff, but even though he's always been very nice to me

and my family, he is a Republican, so I don't think I'll ask him.

[regnaD kciN]

41. ...AND probably a yellow-ribbon "Support Our Troops" magnet...

...and an American flag-ribbon "God Bless America" one, too!

:puke:

[Carni]

176. I am SOOOOO sick of those freaking magnets

I saw a really good bumper sticker the other day though and initially I thought they were some CC type right winged nut...someone had a bumper sticker that said:

"God save us from your followers"

Initially, like I said, I thought "oh here we go another bible thumper with *God* on their bumper" but then of course after I read the statement I thought how perfect (and ain't it the truth!)

[FLSurfer]

73. I live in St Aug and will check in the morning.

[eleonora]

85. or a support our troops sticker

Pssh!

[TommyO]

111. My immediate thought...

was that she had a little chrome fishy on the back, most likely paired with a "W"

[Briar]

116. Yet presumably there are Kerry/Edwards stickers

on the lynch mob members posting here.

[SmokingJacket]

6. She'll be so happy she owns that stinking SUV

while sitting on her ass in JAIL.

NOT.

[leesa]

8. What the hell is wrong with Americans? Is this the natural

result of unbridled greed and materialism? I hope the boy survives.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

10. "Security mom" n/t

[VegasWolf]

11. By the time she gets out of jail, that SUV will be worthless. n/t

[private_ryan]

17. it's probably on credit

let's get real...that's how most of those people do it and feel "rich"

[rodeodance]

168. the SUV was pretty damaged--she ran into a telepole and then the ditch

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. She's being held on 3 counts of attempted murder

without bail. Since one witness said she stepped from her vehicle and lit up a cigarette "like a movie star" I have a feeling it will be a hard sell to any jury for leniency.

Hope the kid lives and isn't permanently disabled.

Hope their parents sue and get a big award for the injuries and pain and suffering.

[private_ryan]

13. Allen got out of the car and smoked a cigarette with the boys lying on the

life in jail, death or whatever their family wants to this b*tch

[HeeBGBz]

14. Anyone ever see the movie "Impulse?"

B movie crap, but it was about some kind of something making people act on their impulses. Not being able to control themselves. This reminds me of that.

People are going nuts. Wait til they find out Bush is not really Jesus' right hand man.

[Sterling]

28. It reminds me of this

Did anyone see on CNN the camera man taping the car wrecks?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2793628&mesg_id=2793628

[InvisibleBallots]

55. 10 bucks says she's on pills of some kind

Bet her therapist gives her Eli Lily's latest drugs.

[jcappy]

15. just another ROAD RAGE story

in a country addicted to violence.

[glitch]

51. and entitlement. nt

[salin]

54. No kidding.... did you catch: drive SUV - use public defender

hey lowly tax payer... pay my bill... says the driver/attempted murderer.

[VegasWolf]

18. Did it have a big amerikkan flag on it? n/t

[Trillo]

19. SUVs are dangerous weapons when used as such.

As far as I'm concerned, this is as serious as using a gun in commission of a crime.

Hope the seriously injured boy pulls through.

[ZR2]

170. So you would be happy

If she ran them over with a Mini ?

[Rush1184]

181. A mini would not hurt as much...

Not to say it would be 'good', just that the mini has less mass and is lower and slower.

[gold_bug]

20. most shocking newstory I've read in a long while

violence American style.

[slackmaster]

149. Right up with the nurse that ran a man over and kept him in her garage

Impaled through the windshield of her car as he slowly died over the next several days.

[villager]

22. more red state Xtian "compassion" in action!

n/t

[sportndandy]

23. Hmm. Lots of death penalty liberals about...

The crime is heinous, but I cannot sanction state sponsored murder. Two wrongs don't make a right. The early bird gets the worm. The meak shall inherit crap. I am now rambling...

[Coyul]

27. I agree...

...and more violence from the State isn't going to quell the wave of violence sweeping this nation!

Don't kill her, put her in a jail cell with those who hate everything she stands for. Sometimes Life is a better sentence than death!

C

[Forkboy]

84. they're not liberals

they're bloodthirsty fucks no different from this woman.

[Jack_DeLeon]

91. thanks for the ad hom...

real mature of you. :eyes:

[Forkboy]

95. if the shoe fits...

[TX-RAT]

158. Add this one

You kill us we'll kill you back.
Ron White

[PROGRESSIVE1]

24. Is this a "Security Mom"?

Maybe she would like some time with the Taliban. They'd fix her good!

:mad:

[Cronus Protagonist]

26. Now here's a problem Bush CAN solve

More tax breaks for SUV owners so they don't get so pissed that they need to attempt murder when their status symbol is lowered in value.






http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

[1monster]

29. As a long time resident of this area, I'm willing to lay odds that this

woman is a recent addition to St. Johns County. This used to be a really nice laid back community.

It's the same old story. Too many people being crammed into what used to be paradise and the boarderline psychotics cross over the line and commit horrible crimes that destructively change the lives of far too many people.

When I saw the dateline on your article, I immediately went to the St. Augustine Record website. I am horrified by this woman's wanton disregard for the lives of these children.

The one thing I can promise you is that the people of this area generally have good hearts and open hands when it comes to helping those who have been struck by tragedy.

Isiah Grayer and his family have a long hard road ahead of them. I believe the community will help them along in any way they can.


"Neighbors contacted on Scenic Way where the Allens live said they did not know them." (snipped)

http://staugustine.com/stories/120604/new_2747907.shtml

[AllyCat]

38. Please let us know if we can help

Maybe someone will set up a fund for the vicitims and family.

What a sick, sick woman. These poor kids!

[1monster]

48. It is most likely that someone will set up a bank account for them... As

soon the info is posted, I'll pass it on here.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

30. This is where the punishment mentality is taking us.

The driver probably feels justified because she lost some capital on her vehicle.

We must support the wealthy.

[imax2268]

31. must have

been the violent rap music...or violent video games...or violent movies...or the basketball fight...that drove her to do this...

</sarcasm>

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. It says she is being represented by the Public Defender

I hope he does a piss poor job and she gets a maximum sentence. I also hope they don't decide to later issue a bond on the maniac. She should remain locked behind bars where she cannot do any further damage.

[massive5]

36. Laura Bush shouldn't drive

She's killed before. Hey, I knew it was a matter of time before she tried again.

In all seriousness, I pray for the kids. The woman should be thrown in boiling oil.

[Unforgiven]

37. Gee, Don't Tell Me..

let me guess... the suv also had a Bush/Cheney bumpersticker as well!! No?

[Catherine Vincent]

40. Five will get you ten she was a Bush** voter?

This woman is pathetic. She should get prison time.

[Cory Laf]

42. Bush voter

Guaranteed she voted for Bush

[seriousstan]

45. They? I only read abot the one woman. Who is the other person?

[stevedeshazer]

43. Peggy Hill gone wild?

47-year-old Kathy Feaganes Allen...

Killa...

Bets on political affiliation?

[koopie57]

46. The other day on air america

I think it was Jeaneane Garafilo (I know I butchered the spelling of her name), but I think it was her anyway who was making the point that the brawling at sports games and the hate crimes and crimes such as this were due to this administration. I agree with her because I think people are all stressed out with all the hate on tv, and dirty politics and craziness we are exposed to every day. News stories don't make sense, facts are changed at will ... I think the anger of this nation is a direct result of this ugly administration. Like this lady, she sounds as though she thinks she is more important that some kids and she has the right to do things like this. I am beginning to think that some of these republicans actually do think this. And no remorse. The only remorse she will feel is when she has to stand before a judge, not cuz of these kids.

[StrongbadTehAwesome]

49. when you think you've seen it all...

Just when I thought I'd already encountered my "sickest story ever" thread today (the freeper-shoots-cat thread in the Lounge)...I come here and it's topped. That's twice in less than an hour that I've been left looking like :WOW: as I think, "Who would actually DO something like this?"

Make no mistake about it, this country is heading for serious trouble.

I hope the boys recover, and while I'm against the death penalty, I hope that woman rots in jail for life - humiliated, forced to endure strip-searches every time she has visitors (standard procedure in a max-security prison), and the like.

[driver8]

52. Headed for serious trouble??

I think the country is already there. What is going on that is causing people to snap like this? Are the lives of Americans that pressure filled that they need to mow down teenagers and shoot cats? If she wants to kill that bad, send her to Iraq and let her drive Humvees...

[Carla in Ca]

88. I agree, driver8

We are already there. Oh, make no mistake, things can and probably will get worse but once you cross the line, as this tragedy illustrates, you just can't comprehend it all.
I know * is responsible for the dumbing-down of America, but this, this is also a by-product of a country in turmoil. How low can we go? How far until we can't get back?
You can drown before you get to the bottom of the pool...can we hold our breath for 4 more years!?!?

[Paleocon]

53. I did that same thing while playing GTA San Andreas tonight....

Luckily I am able to differentiate between a video game and real life.

Some people can't. I think we can safely blame GTA San Andreas, or maybe GTA Vice City for this woman's behavior.

Time to sue the video game companies!!!

[mrbassman03]

70. Hahahaha

:)

[genieroze]

56. Someone should drive that SUV up her ......

I won't say it.

[Garion_55]

57. this is why i support the death penalty.

i support the DP in certain cases if guilt is obvious 100% no doubt about it. i dont want a DNA test to come back later after the guy is already dead. if guilt is 100% certain, im good with the DP.

this one to me would qualify if anyone dies because of her.

just plain evil.

[SemperEadem]

153. her utter lack of remorse

coupled with the premeditation of the crime--after all, she initially drove away, then made a U-turn and purposely ran 2 of the teens dow and went looking for the 3rd one--should be grounds for no plea bargaining, no pleading insanity, having the maximum sentence handed down to her and no parole ever.

The boys had already apologized when no damage was discovered on her car--so what reason did she have to turn her suv around and run them down? Revenge? Revenge for what? For not having a legal leg to stand on to go after them. She isn't crazy--she was on a power trip... She couldn't get them for damaging her car, but she was going to get them because she had no power to impact their lives for coming into contact with her car.

[Samurai_Writer]

182. And what do you want to bet...

If those kids were WHITE she never would have done this at all? I just bet she's a racist... how dare those "n*ggers" touch her beloved vehicle!

I'm against the death penalty, but this case makes me see red, I swear!

[Mr_Spock]

59. Oh, my - another SUV nut job goes berserk

What's up with some people?

[Endangered Specie]

62. Electric Chair? or Firing Squad?

mmm choices.

[TX-RAT]

159. Air Bag. That should do it.

[Stinky The Clown]

63. YELLOW RIBBON ALERT

My local CBS affilliate showed this story on the 11 o'clock news, with film. They showed her red Chevy Blazer off the side of the road. All the images I found on the web show the truck from the front or front right. On the left rear corner of her tailgate in the film on TV, however, there it was ........

A fucking yellow fucking ribbon!

Arrrrrggggghhhhhh!

[Endangered Specie]

64. Send her to Iraq...

no gun.
no bodyarmor.
wearing a "I hate muslims" shirt.
.
.
.
.
.
Sell it on Pay-per-view.

[LongTomH]

157. Don't forget the tattoo

...around her neck. A broken line and the legend: CUT ALONG DOTTED LINE :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[Mr_Spock]

71. Doesn't surprise me.

Watch me while I use the oil the soldiers are dying for - but look! I have the immunizing yellow ribbon. I laughed when I saw a car with a hugh dent where the ribbon was placed. Apparently the immunization doesn't always take :D

[Gemini Cat]

77. No surprise there!

The douche bag was just supporting the troops by trying to kill children. The children who accidentally knocked a fucking gulf ball into her SUV.

The SUV is important to all the G-d fearing bushie types. Best of all, the SUV burns a lot of fossil fuel, which means we need to send even MORE troops (she is supporting them!) off to Iraq or maybe even IRAN to make sure she gets that precious oil!!! So what if it is under Iraqi or Iranian soil. It's hers. And, she will support the troops all the way by running over children and displaying stupid yellow ribbons!


Hanging is too good for the likes of her.

[depakid]

65. One less SUV on the road

and one more person with anger control issues off the streets.

What's the usual diposition for vehicular assault in Florida, I wonder?

[Stinky The Clown]

66. FLA - #2 to Tejas in death penalty ..... eom

[Jack_DeLeon]

92. I hope racism doesnt keep this person from getting the death penalty...

albeit its an assumption on my part that this woman was white.

[VivaKerry]

68. Registered republican. No doubt in my mind.

registered.And voted bush. And probably harassed a few people of color so they couldn't vote.

[PatriotGames]

133. My thoughts, exactly.

[Romulus]

69. solution - ban cars (eom)

[Lilith Velkor]

129. ah, a sane voice in the wilderness

[AgadorSparticus]

75. bet she thought it was just a really vivid video game. what a psychopath.

[Withywindle]

76. Horrifying

It's all me, me, me. Nobody else matters. Other people, they aren't even real. You piss me off, I kill you. It doesn't matter. It's all about me, me, me.


Well, aren't felons forbidden to vote in Florida? One less Repug vote anyway.



God(s) bless that poor kid and his family.

[truthisfreedom]

78. this woman sounds insane to me.

criminally insane.

[Swamp Rat]

80. Send her to Abu Ghraib

[eleonora]

86. prime example

of the Republican cult of the *self* above all else.

[whirlygigspin]

87. send her to Iraq

she'll fit right in killing everything in sight.

[neweurope]

93. I'm always shocked at how many here demand the death penalty.

I'm not an American so maybe you feel that this is none of my business. But I have been reading DU for a long time now and always feel that the US all in all is some bloodthirsty country.

When we read about the torture in Iraq I asked a friend, a former officer, if something like that couldn't possibly happen with our Army, too. After all: People will be people. He said it was unlikely, and the US after all had a history of violence. Prisoners with shackles, death penalty - a country that treats it's own citizens like that is very much more likely to torture others. I agree with him.

I do not think that the death penalty - which is discussed over here too everytime a child is killed - is a solution to anything. When punishing one should be ruled by one's brain and not by one's belly. If you can't give life you don't have the right to take life away. Mistakes happen, and above all:

Violence birthes violence.

Peace to all of you :)

[Cooley Hurd]

97. Hi neweurope & welcome to DU!

You're spot-on in regards to the death penalty. Myself, a US citizen for 39 years, and younger brother to two NYS corrections officers, I've never supported the death penalty in any case. It's not been proven to be a deterrent, and the only purpose it serves is to feed the vengeance mechanisms of those who crave it.

Peace to you too, my friend! :hi:

[gottaB]

98. It's my understanding that the death penalty, though not practiced,

recieves support in public opinion polls. For instance,

Related to the unsafe feelings can be the attitude towards death penalty. In all researched countries, an absolute majority of respondents do think that death penalty should exists in their country. This group is biggest in Russia (78,7%) and smallest in the Czech Republic (56,1%). On the other side, Hungary has the biggest group of death penalty opponents (31,5%), while this group is the smallest in Lithuania (15%). Worthwhile to note is the high percentage of Czech respondents (over 20%) with no opinion on the death penalty.

http://www.ceorg-europe.org/research/2002_06.html

I agree with you, neweurope, that the death penalty solves nothing. But I am not surprised that many support it. I think the difference between Europe and the US has more to do with populism and demagoguery in US politics than any fundamental character traits.

[neweurope]

100. I didn't mean to step on anybody's toes, gottaB :)

As an outsider I report the impression others get from your country, no more. Of course I'm not speaking of fundamental character traits.

As I said: Death penalty is discussed over here every time something happens to a child. The beast in us wants revenge; simple people want simple answers, that's the same everywhere; populist politicians take advantage of that.

It just seems to me that you have a hell of a lot more populist politicians than other countries - and not only since Bush. Violent movies, violent books, violent video games - all of that unfortunately more and more is being read and watched and played over here, too - but in almost all cases they have been made in the US.

I'm very glad that over here the door that opens on that dangerous land has not yet been opened. However I suspect it won't stay shut forever - after all we have always been very good followers of our US-Big Brother *sigh*

[American Tragedy]

110. Actually neweurope most people here probably do not support death penalty

contrary to the impression you may get from responses to this post.

[Mandate My Ass]

114. Me too, neweurope

You summed up the problems with this barbaric system beautifully.

If you can't give life you don't have the right to take life away.

I couldn't agree more.

Glad to have you here. :hi:

[rodeodance]

167. I agree neweurope--We are to eager to kill people for their crimes. I

am not a believer in the death penality and am glad to live in a state that does not have it!!

[calimary]

134. Somebody here in DU once called it "ME-publicans."

I think it's brilliant.

Sounds like this woman is one of 'em. IGMFU. (I Got Mine, F-U.)

[pinniped]

99. One "alleged" certifed nut!

Even if one or two were to die she won't get the death penalty, the victims are black and we all know how justice is color blind./sarc

[booksenkatz]

103. Why spend money to buy a rope for lynching

when these days you can just run 'em over with your shiny red SUV?
:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

When I'm not busy being ashamed of my country, I'm busy being ashamed of my race. And I feel pretty helpless to do a goddamned thing to improve the behavior of either.

By the way, isn't it cute that the SUV-driver is shopping at the dollar store?

[FredScuttle]

140. Hmmm....

wonder if El Pigbo will blame this on "hip-hop culture" as well. After all, it was Jay-Z that made that white woman hit the gas into those defenseless boys!

[SammyWinstonJack]

146. Sorta resembles Andrea Yates

fundie mom who drown her kids in the bath tub.

[SemperEadem]

154. you're right

if they bring charges against her, it will be a miracle... the victims are black, and we all know their life doesn't mean squat; in fact it's no worse than exterminating vermin... in fact, to her and many many others, they probably deserved it.

Watch and see how many idiots show up at a candlelight vigil outside the courthouse to proclaim her innocence and insist upon her freedom.

[Maine-ah]

102. discusting.

WTF. That is all I can say. On another note, not everyone who owns an SUV voted for * and not all SUV's w/ ribbons are * voters. Some of us require them where we live, this includes myself. My boss has a big fat SUV, w/ ribbon. Her son is in kuwait, she voted for Kerry. I understand that many SUV owners voted for *. But not all of us. And not all of us are crazy like the woman in this story. If they could make an affordable SUV, that didn't use as much gas, was better for the enviornment, I would buy it. I buy my vehicles used, and through private sales, but I wouldn't be able to get out of my driveway thismorning w/o my SUV. Go ahead and bash me if you like, but I don't think lumping us into one group is really fair. MHO.

[American Tragedy]

109. I must agree with you

I was about to make my obligatory not-all-SUV-owners-are-bad post but you beat me to it. My mom has a Mercedes SUV because she used to have to drive a whole bunch of kids and equipment around and it's easier to do that in one big 23 mpg vehicle than in two separate cars. She also happens to be the sweetest left-winger you'll ever meet.

[Maine-ah]

112. thnx

:hippie: living in Maine, we get some tough winters around here, and it's just a necessary evil.

[Ms_Mary]

115. Yes, I have an SUV and a ribbon and I am NOT a Bushie

I drive an SUV b/c I live on a mountain that gets bad weather and I have to haul things for my business. I have a yellow ribbon because I have friends and family of friends serving in Iraq and I recognize that they don't all want to be there. My SUV is almost 7 years old and paid for, it's not a money or image thing. And If I could afford a hybrid car and get what I need out of it, I'd buy one in a second.

[trogdor]

141. Well, this woman lives in Flori-DUH...

...where the only real reason you'd need a big-ass SUV is vanity, pure and simple. A minivan would do nicely down there if you had to haul anything, and my guess is, she drives alone.

We live in the Lake Effect Zone, too, and my other half drives a Subaru Forester. Incidentally, I only beat her for most times stuck in the snow by one, but she just got it last year. ;-)

[Ms_Mary]

142. IA, a lot of people have them for no practical purpose.

[calimary]

138. Fair enough. Good point - and welcome to DU!

This needs to be said, and heard. Especially for me. Unfortunately, I live in west L.A., where there are lots of affluent moms who cruise around all over town all day in their big-ass honkin' SUVs, and it's really for no other reason than status. Yes, I KNOW some of 'em go to the mountains a lot. Some of 'em have bunches of kids and carpools and sports equipment and other crap to haul around with those kids, but many others do not. For far too many around my area (no snow, nice weather, not a lot of wild, windy roads except through Topanga and Malibu Canyon and such - and howtheheck anybody could squeeze through some of those in an SUV is beyone me!) it's simply vanity. Because they CAN.

I understand if there's a reasonable or legitimate need for it. But the having it just for the sake of having it, or so you can be bigger than the other guy on the road (nothing more foolish-looking than some little blonde trophy wife jumping down from her high-chair on wheels with the "w04" sticker on it, in the grocery store parking lot in Suburbia Heights) is no reason. Particularly with Peak Oil breathing down our necks. I have to haul kids and sports equipment and other junk around all the time, and I have a regular car-type car.

Anyway, I'm glad you weighed in. Because it's encouraging to hear that some people who drive SUVs do so for understandable reasons, and aren't all knuckledraggers.

[snippy]

104. Obvious freeper and shittohead. n/t

[Maine-ah]

106. far from freeper

born and raised maine democrat. always have been always will be.

[Moloch]

119. I think they were talking

about the woman in this story...

[snippy]

122. damkira is correct. I was referring to the driver in the article.

Sorry if I offended you by not making that clear.

[Maine-ah]

124. it's all good.

thankyou for clearing that up. I see many people get flamed for remarks like mine, I just assumed. :hippie:

[tblue37]

125. Just check the upper right hand corner

of the posted message to see which message the poster is replying to. The message you thought was about you is marked as being in reply to the original message, not to yours.

[drscm]

105. I'm sure *bush has a place for her in his mis-administration. eom

[durablend]

108. Department of Hate Crimes, no doubt...

Enforcement Divison

[Judi Lynn]

107. Short, updated story.....

According to St. John's County sheriff's Deputy Greg Suchy, Isiah Grayer, 14, and his 16-year-old twin stepbrothers, Justin and Jamel Marshman, were bouncing the golf ball in a shopping center parking lot Sunday afternoon when it went astray and struck a sport utility vehicle driven by Kathy Feaganes Allen, 47.

Suchy said no damage was done, and the boys apologized and began to walk away. He says Allen started to drive away, but suddenly made a U-turn, ran over a median and hit Grayer, causing severe injuries, and then hit Justin Marshman.

"I tried to run. I blacked out. I woke up bleeding," Justin Marshman told The Florida Times-Union.

Police say she then went after Jamel - who broke into a run and managed to avoid being hit as the SUV crossed two medians, struck a utility pole and stalled out in a ditch.

Witness Russell McPhee said Allen accelerated to hit the boys.

"She charged them," he said. "This was the most deliberate act."

"Thank God for the light post," McPhee told CBS News Affiliate WTEV-TV, "because that saved the third boy."

McPhee said he yelled at Allen to stay where she was when she got out of her car.

"After she ran them down, she got out of the car and lit a cigarette like a movie star," he said. "She watched all three of (the boys) just lying there."

Allen then borrowed a cell phone from a bystander - Terry Gerspch - to call her husband. Gerspch says Allen seemed unfazed.

"She was as calm as anything," she said. "She said the boys were throwing rocks at her car."

McPhee said Jamel, the uninjured brother, ran over to Allen's car and confronted her: "He just kept asking 'Why? Why did you do this?'"
(snip/...)

http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstories_story_342075729.html

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You'd think things JUST HAVE TO GET BETTER! Yet, _Bush hasn't even begun his 2nd term (our second 4-yr. season in hell).

Concerning the death penalty in Florida, is 2nd to Texas in dead deathrow prisoners. Don't forget Florida "law and order" celebrants' favorite toy: Old Sparky, the electric chair which was discovered to cause fire to flare up from the faces and heads of the guests of honor.



Sparky (Pathetic nickname, isn't it? :eyes: )

http://sharon.marway.org/~osparky/

I've read that _Jeb and _George actually had a ssense of competiveness about their states' staggering execution rates.

[peacebird]

121. if anyone hears further how the boys are doing, please post

Has their family got sufficient medical insurance? Has a fund been set up to help cover their medical bills?

Such despicable cruelty... makes my heart ache.

[SemperEadem]

155. she's a bold-faced, racist liar

Why did she call her husband instead of calling the police--if these boys were truly throwing rocks at her suv as she claims? I mean, if I encountered someone who was intentionally defacing my car with rocks, I would call the police with a description of the offenders... I would have gone inside the store to alert store security so they could call police. I wouldn't have turned my car around and run them down.

She's a liar..

I don't believe for one minute she has verifiable mental problems... she's trying to set things up for an insanity plea and it should be blocked by the judge.

[TahitiNut]

184. It smells like racism to me, too. I'm betting 10::1 the boys are black.

:shrug: Justin, Jamel, and Isiah were probably guilty of PWB (playing while black).

[0007]

113. Probably a good friend of Katherine Harris!

[jokerman93]

117. Welcome to 'Murika!

Land of the free, home of the brave. Bring a barf bag.

We're becoming a bunch of vacant, heartless weaklings.

</end>

[JNelson6563]

120. She's lucky those weren't my kids

because she would be introduced to the concept of Serious Pain for the rest of her very-soon-to-be-over life.

I can take a lot of crap but when it comes to harming my kids, look out. Or, more accurately, run for your life.

Julie--mother bear

[Mr. Sinister]

123. Kids shouldn't play outside

They should be safely at home playing Extreeeme
Buzzsaw Racers and eating 2 dozen Krispy Kremes.

[Judi Lynn]

126. Update on the same AP story.......

It's the same story carried in the original post, and the Miami Herald, etc., only most of these sources opted to NOT PRINT the rest of it:

Grayer was in critical condition Monday at Shands Hospital in Jacksonville, where his family said the boy had slipped into a coma. Justin Marshman was released from Flagler Hospital after being treated for a skull fracture.

Justin Marshman said he visited Grayer in the hospital Monday.

"There were all these tubes in his body," he said. "He was scraped up. His eyes, you can tell he was crying. All these stitches on his head. His leg was shaking. They say he can hear us, but he can't respond."

The boys' mother, Aribella Pearson, described her youngest son as an honor roll student in the seventh grade at Sebastian Middle School, who loved to dance and play sports in the neighborhood.

"It's like a horrible nightmare I can't wake up from," she said.
(snip/)

http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=2655578

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Makes you wonder why they are omitting the information about how injured one of the boys actually is! What's that about? This changes the tone of the story CONSIDERABLY.

[warrens]

127. Wonder what her Free Republic screen name is...

PrayForBush16 or something, no doubt.

[reprobate]

130. Absolutely premeditated attempted murder...From the story:

"Allen started to drive away, but suddenly made a U-turn, ran over a median and struck the teens before knocking over a light pole, Suchy said."

She was leaving the area, which would have ended the situation. But she turned around, ran over the median-which indicates intent- and struch the kids. This means that she decided that what they did justified their death. Premeditation.

[namvet73]

137. Maybe SUV purchasers should get a background check and..

a special "potential weapon" ownership permit.

In all fairness, I have experienced many very courteous SUV drivers, but I've also been bullied others.

They're dangerous even when they are parked. There is no visibility when trying to pull out of a parking space or side street when they are next to you.

A fair logic might be "Not all SUV and Hummer drivers are bullies, but bullies tend to buy SUVs and Hummers."

[slackmaster]

150. I didn't even have to present a Driver's License when I bought mine

The dealer verified that my check was good, did some paperwork, and handed me the keys.

Seriously, I did not have to present a Driver's License to buy a vehicle!

[spotbird]

139. SUV's don't kill people, people with SUV's kill people. nt

[oasis]

147. Bush's minions feel empowered to do anything they like.

[fryguy]

148. she's my nominee....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2799511&mesg_id=2799511

[slackmaster]

152. She's a TOBACCO USER too!

A witness said that after the SUV came to rest, Allen got out of the car and smoked a cigarette with the boys lying on the ground in pain.

Clearly someone with no redeeming traits.

[SemperEadem]

156. well, R.J. Reynolds will be funding her defense

[ZR2]

169. True, it would have been much better

if she got out of the vehicle and fired up a joint.

[BlueStateGirl]

160. Link to photo of the Driver...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/07/boys.hit.ap/

[joanski01]

161. She looks like one of those

people who say that "God told me to do it".

[rodeodance]

165. Blitzer just reported on this.

said she appeared in court and said that she had 'mental problems" and that she had a slightly different version of what happened altough they did not say what it was. They kept showing her pic over and over (blue jump suit on).

[The Minus World]

173. Just a Search for Fun.

A simple bit of digging on Google, and you can uncover that she's an Ormond Beach resident who likes to run.

I'm sure her defense is going to be something along the lines of: "By making them run from my front bumper, I was just helping these lazy kids get their cardiovascular rates up."

[slackmaster]

175. And she doesn't own any property in that name

According to public records.

[slackmaster]

172. I hate to admit it but in this case I agree with you

Normally I try to avoid jumping to conclusions about people based on physical appearance.

[slackmaster]

171. Glad I wasn't eating when I looked at that

...Allen told the court she has mental problems....

Then excuse me, but WHAT THE FUCK is she doing with a licence to drive?

:shrug:

[Moloch]

177. kick

nt

[depakid]

180. Just out of curiousity, does anyone think she's actually eligible

for the death penalty under Florida law, given these facts?

(assuming she's legally sane).

[tngledwebb]

183. How many more mentally ill psychos

driving SUV's does this country need?

[fishnfla]

185. Her mental problems are documented in today'sOrlando Sentinal

1. Paranoid schizophrenia
2. under psychiatric care every 3 months
3. taking 6 different meds "to keep her calm"

It does not excuse what she did. But it is more important to the case than the fact that she smokes cigarettes or drives an SUV

All the spiteful vilification and knee-jerkism upthread: why are people so quick to judge without knowing?

[hickman1937]

186. I don't believe this

Paranoid schizo, on major meds, and nobody thought to take the keys away? Why didn't her family just strap a couple of six shooters to her hips and send her shopping? Much more efficient.

[peacebird]

187. being under doctors care should translate to knowing she had a problem

and knowing she had a problem should have translated to keeping tabs on her mental state. sorry, but she deserves life in a mental asylum if her psychiatric probs are so severe that even with treatment and meds she could still cause grievous bodily harm to children.

[FredScuttle]

188. gee, a story about a SUV-driver who mows down 2 kids

yeah, you're right...how dare we react on emotion.

Well, more "facts" are in and I still say she's a menace to society and should spend the rest of her miserable life in a rathole.