School Defends Slavery Booklet

[Vox_Reason]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1913619p-8258411c.html

From the Raleigh, NC News and Observer about a nearby Christian school that's happily requiring its ninth graders to read this SPLC-condemned slavery apologia. The sidebar contains some choice excerpts from the enlightening text of the booklet.




Students at one of the area's largest Christian schools are reading a controversial booklet that critics say whitewashes Southern slavery with its view that slaves lived "a life of plenty, of simple pleasures."

<snip>

The booklet's other author, Steve Wilkins, is a member of the board of directors of the Alabama-based League of the South. That is classified as a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based civil rights group.

"Doug Wilson and Steve Wilkins have essentially constructed the ruling theology of the neo-Confederate movement," said Mark Potok, editor of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report.

Potok said people who argue that the South should secede again have latched onto the writings of Wilson and Wilkins, which portray the Confederacy as the last true Christian civilization.

[DrWeird]

1. Hmm.

North Carolina.

[LostinVA]

20. That Part of NC

Kind actually be kinda liberal. The whole RTP area, plus Chapel Hill. Not that there aren't crazy Fundies and mega freepers there, too. Having said that, however, I lived in NC most of my adult life, and all I can say is NOT SURPRISED. So many areas of NC are wonderful, then something like this happens and you remember what it can be like...

[Lucky Luciano]

2. Let them secede...

they get most of our welfare dollars as the rich states pay the poor states...then let's see how they do once "government is off their backs."

They will be third world in no time.

[histohoney]

13. Do you

really think that would work. If (IF) SC left the union the first thing they would do is stop all govt. assistance. So you are willing to let Americans who probable did NOT vote to secede be trapped there. They would most likely want to move up North. I wouldn't want them condemned to live in a country where the are miss used and forgotten.

[ima_sinnic]

19. oh please--"trapped there"?

you don't think there would be a LOT of publicity before a state seceded?--like, enough time for people to leave?
yes, let the dumb yokels secede, who needs 'em? good riddance to ignorant dumbasses.

[histohoney]

22. I think

you missed my point but OK.
Some day when your less hostile to a conversation.
Live well friend.

[BattyDem]

34. I agree. Good riddance! I would be happy to help transport ...

any and all "sane" southerners to the blue states. I'm sure other blue state residents would also contribute time and money to the transporation and relocation effort. That's what liberals do ... we help people who need it.

I'm tired of being held prisoner by "Jesusland" fanatics who are full of hate and ignorance! I want women's reproductive rights to stop being threatened. I want reason and compromise to replace the bullying tactics which now pass as our foreign policy. I want gay people to have the same basic rights as everyone else. I want science and knowledge to be respected once again. I want stem cell research to go forward so that disability and disease may someday be eliminated. I want our environment to be protected. I want to be a part of the world community - not some angry, terrified, isolated country sitting on the outside looking in. In other words ... I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK! It wasn't perfect, but at least it moved forward!

[Chovexani]

50. Here here

I'm sick of this bullshit. Contrary to popular belief in Jesusland it is 2004 not 1804.

[420inTN]

70. Well, there is a really large IBM facility in Raleigh...

... so I guess they wouldn't have to outsource too far.

[struggle4progress]

83. As a Nuth Caolinian, suh, ah sugjest that yew should smile ...

... when yew say that. NC tain't all bad.

The Raleigh-Durham-ChapelHill area here has one of the highest per capita Ph.D. densities in the entire US of A. And Kerry swept Durham 2:1 over *.

It is true that the political climate here could be better. And it is also true that the political climate here could be much, much worse. On some days, I look at some of our Congressional delegation and sigh heavily, especially with respect to those who seem to be DINOs: but it always helps me to remember who they replaced and who the other candidates were.

We do have our wingnuts, and, for the most part, they are NOT in control here.

Two years ago, our state house split exactly 50/50 (Dem/Repub), and the house worked out a cospeaker arrangement with cochairs for major committees. This enraged the wingnuts, who believed that 50/50 meant that the Repubs should, by all rights, be in control: so this year, wingnuts mounted primary challenges against all the Repub "traitors" who voted for power sharing, knocked a bunch off -- and promptly lost those seats in the general election.

NC is a centrist state. If it's not as progressive as I'd like, that can mean only one thing: I should work harder. Similarly, if NC's not as progressive as you'd like, then do something about it ...

[Ms_Mary]

85. Do something! Exactly!

I'm a lifelong NCer. I love this place. I hate the intolerant attitudes of some people but I'll be damned if I'm giving up. I'm working in my community to make things better. Forget the defeatist attitude, I'm not quitting.

[Connie_Corleone]

3. Jeezus!

This country is just going backwards, isn't it??

[tinymontgomery]

4. Love these statements

"But Lawyer said the authors stand by their central belief that the Civil War didn't have to happen and that slavery would have ended on its own."

If I'm not mistaken the south fired the first shot, in fact I know I'm not mistaken.

"As a classical Christian school, we think it's important for our students to be able to think and not be slanted to a particular position," Stephenson said. "We want them to think for themselves."

So will they show them F/11 for another point of view, I think not.

[genieroze]

7. Give me a break!

"But Lawyer said the authors stand by their central belief that the Civil War didn't have to happen and that slavery would have ended on its own."

If we didn't have the civil war, black people would still be pickin cotton for free. Most of those redneck morons still think blacks are ignorant and on the same level as farm animals. Pathetic.

[arcane1]

40. and WW2 didn't have to happen either

The Nazis, the concentration camps, etc, would've eventually ended on their own :eyes:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

48. Slavery ended?! Um, do you have a link for that? (sarcasm) n/t

[itzamirakul]

11. And Condi Rice said...

that we didn't have to have the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s because segregation and Jim Crow would have ended on their own. Yeah, and if the Movement had not happened she would be working in Bush's Kitchen right now instead of being nominated for SOS.

[iamjoy]

46. The War Of Northern Aggression

I mean, ok - so the South fired on Fort Sumter but that was in response to the militancy of the Yankees.

I mean, the Rebels were in Ft. Moultrie, laying seige to the Federals at Ft. Sumter. The South felt since that fort was on Southern land it belonged to them. They warned the U.S. that if they tried to re-fortify Sumter, it would be seen as an act of war.

Just to understand how these people think.

[Just Me]

5. They should be placed on the terrorist list!!! eom

[SemperEadem]

6. the progeny of traitors

shouldn't expect anything else from those people.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

8. Tell ya what, Lawyer

Why don't you volunteer for a life of "simple pleasures" picking cotton and cutting cane? Go f*ck yourself, you racist pig!

[plasticsundance]

9. WTF:

""But Lawyer said the authors stand by their central belief that the Civil War didn't have to happen and that slavery would have ended on its own."


Oh yeah, sure, we're getting around to it argument ... anyday now ... they're only whipping their slaves three times a day as opposed to five ... and that was just last year. Gee ... the improvement. :eyes:

I wonder how the slaves felt about it all coming to an end soon theory.

"Lawdy, the kind masta, gonna be lettin' us all free soon. And we gonna vote and everythin'. Cus he says, there's ways to handle dat. He don't know 'bout us using the same public bathroom, thoe."

[TrogL]

10. Hey, go for it

Could somebody post the "jesusland" map? I've lost my link to it.

[Sequoia]

35. Try this:

C:\Documents and Settings\cctsts1lmm\My Documents\My Pictures

[Chovexani]

54. I live to please

[bitchkitty]

12. Oh, yes, simple pleasures -

Swaying in the breeze at the end of a rope, that's so pleasurable. Or a whip! What fun! How about having your children taken away and sold? What a blast!

[Connie_Corleone]

14. Don't forget the pleasure cruise over here

Just like being on a Carnival cruise.

[jwirr]

96. And how about being

able to have sexual breeding programs forced on you!! Their bodies - themselves!

[Bouncy Ball]

15. Whoa.

WTF?

Here's a quote from the booklet:

"Nearly every slave in the South enjoyed a higher standard of living than the poor whites of the South -- and had a much easier existence." (page 30)

Oh yeah? That's news to me. My God.

[Boosterman]

42. Actually that part isnt true but

its closer than you think. My family were all those poor white sharecroppers. Even my grandfather lived in apalling poverty.

[Bouncy Ball]

53. Was your grandfather beaten on a regular basis?

And was he forbidden to learn to read and write?

I hear ya, but I just don't see how they can compare the two. Just being WHITE set the poor sharecropper apart by a universe or two.

[Boosterman]

58. Nope. My granddaddy was

simply allowed to leave school in the 3rd grade. 3 of his 6 kids graduated from high school. He was never prouder according to my aunts and uncles.

My point is not all white people were slave owners and while they might not have been beat they did face the threat of being evicted if they didnt meet quotas. Not the same thing at all I understand however, it wasn't neccesarily all a bed of roses for those people either.

[Bouncy Ball]

59. Never said it was.

And I know not all white people were slave owners, but I think the quote in this booklet, saying that black slaves were better off than poor whites is misleading, at best.

[Boosterman]

69. Oh I agree with you there.

See my initial post. Heck they might have been fed and housed better in SOME circumstances but slaves were denied even basic liberties. The rest is all propoganda IMO.

[hickman1937]

93. Actually I think the House slaves

had a better standard of living in that they always knew where their next meal was comming from. They also had no say when their spouses or children were sold to owners miles away, but they were being sulky and ungrateful if they stopped smiling. Field slaves had it worse. I think the phampleteers decided to focus on the house slaves.

[iamjoy]

51. Yeah, What Idiots...

Like the economic standard of living was all that mattered.

How many of us would sell ourselves into slavery even if it meant we would live in a mansion and could eat whatever we wanted?

And some Civil War era Southerners, George Fitzhugh to name one, advocated that poor whites should be forced into slavery too rahter than living in poverty.

[SweetLeftFoot]

78. White slaves

many of the original slaves in the southern plantations were white, often Irish. market dynamics and racism then brought about a switch to African slaves.

Worth noting that there are still plenty of slaves working on plantations in the US - mainly illegals from Central America on big citrus farms.

[davidinalameda]

16. how can people actually believe this crap

"* "Slavery as it existed in the South was not an adversarial relationship with pervasive racial animosity. Because of its dominantly patriarchal character, it was a relationship based upon mutual affection and confidence." (page 24)"

affection? I guess that's why so many slaves lost their lives while trying to escape

they simply didn't like their owners

[WildClarySage]

41. Patriarchy is not characterized by

"mutual affection and confidence" it is at, its basest, domination.

[Chovexani]

55. Heh affection

See when Massa went in the slave quarters to screw the women it wasn't rape he was just showing his affection. :puke:

Give me a fucking break

[Lizzie Borden]

90. This is called 'historical revisionism' and..

a great many people ave gone to a lot of trouble to substantiate that slavery wasn't so bad. They are pretty much the same people who want you to believe that Hitler was a nice fellow.Every time it crops up, revisionism must be challenged.

[Julius Civitatus]

89. Here you have some images of "affection and confidence"

because, you know, according to these bastards slavery was based on "mutual affection and confidence." Let's take a quick visual trip to the past, shall we?

I guess these were the marks of affection:


And these were bracelets the masters awarded their "beloved" slaves:


The master showed so much "affection and confidence" on his subjects that he was always willing to sell them at a good price... or even buy new ones!


The master was always looking for new ways to show his "affection and confidence":




Case closed. How can they pretend they even have a "case" or that there are "two sides to the slavery issue"? Earth to the wingnuts: THERE ARE NO "TWO SIDES" or "TWO POINTS OF VIEW" ABOUT SLAVERY. It was a brutal, inhumane, criminal practice. Period.

These neo-confederate, racist scumbags sure feel uppity since their boy Dubya "won" the election. What worries me the most is that they feel we are in an environment in which defending slavery no longer has any consequences for them, political or otherwise.

[VegasWolf]

17. Humm, so "Christ"ian schools teach that slavery is just wonderful! And

every thing worked great as long as the slave wasn't
hung for speaking out of place or looking at the missus.

[plasticsundance]

18. dwickham ... I'll answer your question ...

GUILT!!

Actually, I think this book is a trial balloon for the upcoming book titled: "Slavery never happened in the South"

Yeah ... let's first see if they swallow this load of shit.

Then you'll get people like Coulter and David Horowitz defending the book on the 24/7 corporate-crap-cable-news-shows.

[VegasWolf]

25. or, "How the North Got Slavery Wrong" n/t

[maxrandb]

84. Or, "How to Speak to a Slave, If you Must" n/t

[Sandpiper]

21. Putting North Carolina in my rearview mirror after 11 years

Was one of the happiest days of my life.

[youthere]

23. Oh for the love of

Orwell's ghost!
Don't you get it? Slavery is Freedom. War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. How do you expect to live a prosperous life in Oceania if you can't get down basic newspeak and the concept of doublethink? Now go get a shot of victory gin and get ready for the Two Minutes Hate.

[Beware the Beast Man]

24. While it's true that not all slaveholders treated their slaves like cattle

they were still forced to work against their will, and were still second-class citizens in the eyes of the law. You cannot possibly whitewash that.

Scratch that: they weren't considered citizens at all.

[LostinVA]

26. Slaves WEREN'T Second Class Citizens!!!

They weren't citizens, period! They were legally 3/5ths of a person, and they only were given that so that slave states could cook the books re: congressmen and electoral votes. Even freed slaves weren't citizens.

I am sooooo glad I went to grade school in New Jersey...

[Beware the Beast Man]

27. Did you bother to read the addendum to my post?

I corrected myself.

[Sandpiper]

29. The Dred Scott case made no bones about the fact

That slaves were NOT citizens, and had no rights or legal standing under the Constitution of the United States.

[Beware the Beast Man]

33. Right; I used the term "2nd class citizen" figuratively.

When I meant to say non-observed citizen, which doesn't roll off the tongue (or keyboard) as well!

[LostinVA]

30. I Didn't See It When I

Wrote my post. No worries -- I wasn't yelling at you. I didn't know if you knew -- one of my students last week (college level) didn't realize that.

[gottaB]

28. Frederick Douglas argued that brutality was essential to slavery

Slavery in his view was a social institution, not a collection of particular dyadic relationships. Of course some people involved in the system showed kindness towards one another. But what is the essential character of the master/slave dialectic: brutality, or affection? It ought to be a nobrainer.

[Beware the Beast Man]

31. Oh, absolutely.

The point I was trying to make is while not every plantation owner was Simon Legree, it still does not make it excusable to teach that slavery was "okay."

[Nevernose]

32. Modern, popular views of American slavery need re-evaluation

But the shit in this pamphlet is absolutely amazing. Slavery in America was by no means as black-and-white (forgive the pun) as most of us are led to believe by our half-assed history education. I somehow doubt, though, that children will better understand the complexities and learn that things aren't as simple as South=Bad, North=Good, with the crap in this brochure.

"Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food, clothes, and good medical care." Give me a fucking break.

[neweurope]

62. Preparing the next generation: See, your slavery won't be all that bad.

Food and good medical care are more than some children are having now if I read correctly...

[OneBlueSky]

36. Christ . . . people owning people . . .

is that what we have to look forward to in the New World Order? . . . un-be-fucking-lievable! . . .

[WildClarySage]

44. It comes full circle back to *'s "ownership society".

[Moloch]

37. Wow

:wow:

I hope the South does secede again...

[Bridget Burke]

39. Nope. At least this was in a Private School (vouchers, anyone?)

The South as a whole has changed.

Who wrote this article? The reporter's name is T. KEUNG HUI.

[Ripley]

43. This guy isn't even from the South.

One of the authors, Douglas Wilson, a pastor in Moscow, Idaho, wrote a book on classical education upon which the school bases its philosophy.

While we're demonizing the state of NC, let's not mention the asshole separatist guy from Idaho, cause it ain't the South. And people with fucked up racist views only live in the South.

[gottaB]

49. Which is why the Confederate Flag issue is not just about Southern Pride

More about Wilson's ideas here:

http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse

[Solly Mack]

38. more idiots to combat than years left....

[VegasWolf]

47. Too many idiots, not enough time. n/t

[renegade000]

45. last true christian civilization

HAH!

[Chovexani]

52. Where's my 40 acres and a mule

Still waiting.

[VegasWolf]

60. Check for .42 cents to buy 40 acres at 1860's price is in the mail. n/t

[SweetLeftFoot]

79. Your mule

Can currently be found grazing at 1600 Pensylvania Avenue.

[histohoney]

87. My family still

waiting to get back their country. They all live in OK. now but belong in TN.
That land probable would have come from Reservation land, I think we've already lost enough.
How about two mules instead?

[LongTomH]

56. Dominionist Theology

Some of the Christian Dominionist schools of theology still support slavery.

[VegasWolf]

61. The Dominionists are backwards. That's the group that supported

O'Lielly. I always thought it was a shame that his
parents couldn't afford the Jesuits.

[Bridget Burke]

72. Are you confusing Dominionists with Dominicans?

The Dominicans are a Catholic Order. The Dominionists, closely related to the Christian Reconstructionists, are part of the radical movement pushing religion into public life. They favor a return to an extremely Calvinist version of the Old Testament--written into law for all to follow. Their ideal country would, indeed, allow slavery, stoning, etc.

I agree about the Jesuits, though. There's been many a fine free-thinking Agnostic or Atheist produced by a good Jesuit education.

[DemBones DemBones]

98. Thank God for someone who knows the difference

between a Dominican and a Dominionist.

Savonarola was a Dominican, by the way, though I doubt that means much to anyone here.

[nashville_brook]

92. that's how they intend to run the world when they have total control

in about two weeks...

i think it's in deuteronomy...

[pinerow]

57. And yet...evolution is on a par with creationism...sheesh

nt

[sandnsea]

63. Keep religion OUT of government???

This is why. Just like we should never forget the how of Nazi Germany, we should never forget the how of slavery. White Christian Fundamentalists.

[w4rma]

64. Holy crap. They're romanticising slavery in an American school. (nt)

[Blue_Tires]

65. i'm speechless

[NYC]

66. Simply amazing.

Leaves me speechless.

[depakid]

67. Why does this not surprise me?

because I've had to listen to confederate apologist crap like this and even worse for my entire life from my Southern family members.

A bunch of them live near Raleigh, and every couple of years they say how progressive North Calrolina (what with it's "research triangle" and all) is becoming, and every time I go there it's the same mix of suburban style crackers, Southern Babtists and ignorant working class people who are so far to the right of their own interest that they miht as well be lighting their houses on fire.

Yep. Slaves were property, and you wanted yout property to grow and thrive...

Not that the North didn't have plenty of problems with its own abuses during the indutstrial revolution- the tenements were maybe worse than shacks- but that's no excuse for slavery.

[DemBones DemBones]

99. And the Irish were treated so well up North,

not to mention the great treatment given the Chinese out West.

No, only the South has bigots.

:eyes:

[mitchum]

102. Hey, depakid!

It does my heart good to see that someone else recognizes "the suburban style cracker" as a distinct group. Down here, I actually fear the actions of these rednecks in polo shirts far more than I do the mullet-wearing, missing tooth archetype. They are the McMansion-dwelling, mega church-going bloc who vote repub both for business and Jaysus. They are short-sighted, jumped-up fools. And I despise them.

[greekspeak]

68. Are they showing "Guys in White Robes are Cool" next week?

Maybe the people who wrote that book would like to spend a week as a happy-go-lucky slave, life filled with plenty and simple pleasures? So much plenty...then explain why geophagy was so common among slaves. So many simple pleasures...only 3 beatings this week and only 70 hours of back-breaking field work instead of 80. Who could ask for anything more.

SICK FUCKS!

[LiberalinNC]

71. It's been Pulled

In today's N & O the book has been pulled!  A little late,
if you ask me! 

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1916788p-8262851c.html

[atommom]

74. "We apologize for this oversight and covet your prayers for our school,"

they say. Does that wording strike anyone else as strange? They're still refusing to admit what the pamphlet really was, saying they pulled it because of faulty footnotes and citations. The implication is that the rest of the content was just fine. It just makes me ill.

[Zhade]

88. "covet"? Isn't that, like, a "sin" or something?

Ah, the ignorance of self-professed Christians who don't read the bible they claim to believe in...

[leftchick]

73. Cary, NC is like Stepford....

When my husband and I relocated to NC ten years ago we were struck by how Cary reminded us of Stepford. We ended up moving into a much more progressive area. I see it has regressed since then. Cary "Christian" School, huh?.....


~snip~

Leaders at Cary Christian School say they are not condoning slavery by using "Southern Slavery, As It Was," a booklet that attempts to provide a biblical justification for slavery and asserts that slaves weren't treated as badly as people think.

Principal Larry Stephenson said the school is only exposing students to different ideas, such as how the South justified slavery. He said the booklet is used because it is hard to find writings that are both sympathetic to the South and explore what the Bible says about slavery.

"You can have two different sides, a Northern perspective and a Southern perspective," he said.


The booklet isn't the only connection its two co-authors have with the school.

One of the authors, Douglas Wilson, a pastor in Moscow, Idaho, wrote a book on classical education upon which the school bases its philosophy. Wilson's Association of Classical and Christian Schools accredited Cary Christian, and he is scheduled to speak at the school's graduation in May.

[LiberalinNC]

77. Parts of Cary like Stepford

Yeah, I could see where it could be, I do live in Cary, NC. I find it a little like Boca Raton, FL (a city I grew up in) or it's well on it's way to becoming a lot like Boca, if you know anything about that city. BTW I'm NO Stepford Wife!!!
:)

[leftchick]

80. welcome to DU!

I actually have a friend who lives in an older section of Cary which is nothing like the new "Stepford like" Cary. I really should not make blanket statements like that. Sorry if I offended you!
:)

[LiberalinNC]

82. Thanks

Thanks for the welcome...Not offended at all, no problem. Unfortunately I live in the "new section" of Cary (Preston Area) several of my neighbors are progessive! (Thankfully!!!) :)

[noonwitch]

75. It would only be appropriate for criticial reading by older students

I could see if it was part of a history class and was being read as an example of racist literature to provide a certain perspective, but not on it's face as some kind of truth.

I don't believe in deceiving young people about the evils that are out there in the world-something like this is a good example of one type of evil.

[plasticsundance]

76. Did the book include ....

How the people sold as slaves were shipped to the New World?

Did the book describe how the slaves had their mouths and other orifices checked in public when someone was seeking to purchase them?

Did it describe the conditions of the farmhands?

Did it state that the South could not get the British to fund or send weapons for the Civil War, because of the South's stance on slavery?

It wasn't as if the British did not want to support the South, since it was good for the textile industry.

No ... just as in the US-retrograde-media ... it glosses over the fine details. The book is just another whitewash (pun intended) selling the Bible and history on a popsicle stick.

[LynnTheDem]

81. Racist

Sick racist shit. Period.

[struggle4progress]

86. "Southern Slavery, As It Was" removed from CCS curriculum

PRESS RELEASE (click here for printable copy)

December 9, 2004

As you may be aware, today the News and Observer published a rather negative article about Cary Christian School and our use of a small booklet supplement entitled, "Southern Slavery, As It Was". Within the article it stated, "the booklet has received criticism from a number of historians and that it has been pulled from publication because of faulty footnotes and citation errors."

We were unaware of these findings and as a result have already pulled this booklet from our curriculum. Let us reiterate that it is always our goal in the secondary grades to present two sides of an argument. At no time has slavery ever been condoned in our curriculum. As Mr. Stephenson stated within the article, "Slavery is wrong, that’s not debatable. The South was wrong about the slave trade."

We apologize for this oversight and covet your prayers for our school.

http://carychristianschool.org/NewsAndEvents/default.cfm


Hmm. And just what argument was Cary Christian presenting the "two sides of"?

The US Civil War as a Theological War: Confederate Christian Nationalism and the League of the South

Formed in Alabama in 1994, the League of the South is a nationalist organization that advocates secession from the United States of America and the establishment of a fifteen-state Confederate States of America (CSA) – four states more than seceded during the US Civil War (1861–1865), the additional states being Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland (Southern Patriot). With over ten thousand members, the League professes a commitment to constructing this new CSA based on a reading of Christianity and the Bible that can be identified as “Christian nationalist.” This position is centred upon what we identify as the theological war thesis, an assessment that interprets the nineteenth-century CSA to be an orthodox Christian nation and understands the 1861–1865 US Civil War to have been a theological war over the future of American religiosity fought between devout Confederate and heretical Union states. In turn, this reasoning leads to claims that the “stars and bars” battle flag and other Confederate icons are Christian symbols and the assertion that opposition to them equates to a rejection of Christianity. <snip>

http://www.utpjournals.com/product/cras/323/sebesta.html


"Faulty footnotes and citation errors" is a nice euphemism for lifting text verbatim from another source, without attribution or even any typographic indication that the text was copied:

As they prepared "Southern Slavery As It Was" for publication, Douglas Wilson and his co-author, Steven Wilkins, plagiarized extensively from Fogel and Engerman's "Time On the Cross" ...

[GoddessOfGuinness]

91. Time to picket this school

with posters of slave-era pictures that depict some of those simple pleasures, and find a way to make sure the kids see them too.

[hickman1937]

94. So Mr Wilkins, if I kidnap your children

take them to somewhere in central America, and put them to work in my marijuana fields, its not a problem. As long as I am kind to them, and motivate them in positive ways, I'm biblical. You comming to free them would be an act of northern aggression on the other hand, and a sign of your permissive lifestyle. I get it now.

[Bleacher Creature]

95. Can we start the backlash already!!! n/t

[annabanana]

97. "doin' the Time Warp again"

Is it the 50's? the late 40's?
Oh dem happy darkies down on de ol' plantation...

Dear Mother of God...........

[DemBones DemBones]

100. We should remember that most people in the

North did not think black people were equal to white people. I seem to recall that Lincoln himself didn't, though he later signed the Emancipation Proclamation.

Let's also remember that women were not considered equal to men in any way. They could not vote until nearly sixty years after blacks were granted suffrage. Their husbands were allowed to beat them, too. People thought differently about many things than we do today.

Think about a Southern farm family, typical of many, a married couple and their three sons and four daughters, owning 100 acres and four slaves. 100 acres is a lot of land to plow, a lot of crops to pick, animals to care for, whatever, for four men and four slaves to manage. The mother and daughters likely had a kitchen garden and kept chickens besides doing all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, sewing, etc. , possibly helped by one of the four slaves. I don't think anybody was sitting on the porch drinking mint juleps and being fanned by slaves too often, if ever.

I also doubt that all slaves were mistreated by their masters, though we know some were. Let's face it: slaves were viewed as sub-human property, much like livestock, which was wrong, BUT people don't usually hit their horses, mules, oxen hard enough to do them real harm because they have an investment in them. Slaves were more expensive so it was even more important to keep them in good health/ good working condition, meaning feeding them well enough, providing them with whatever medical care they could when they got sick, and not beating them to a pulp.

The book in question may glorify the slave-owning South but posters are demonizing it. The truth is most likely to lie somewhere between the extremes.

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101. Only in Cary, only in Cary..

one of the richest towns in North Carolina... Ironic part is us NCers usually refer to it as "confinment area for relocated Yankees"