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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:14 AM
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Hecklers Interrupt Democrats' TV Debate (LaRouche spokeswoman comments)
BALTIMORE -- Supporters of perennial presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche and other hecklers interrupted Tuesday's Democratic debate at Morgan State University and university police arrested four people.

"Where's LaRouche?" shouted one woman during remarks by Sen. Joe Lieberman. There were at least five interruptions during the 90-minute debate.

Debra Freeman, national spokeswoman for LaRouche, said supporters disrupted the debate because LaRouche was not allowed to participate.

University police arrested four people, although officers simply escorted others out of the building, said Detective Donny Moses, a Baltimore police spokesman.

more..............

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-democrats-debate-interruptions,0,3508394.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:34 AM
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1. Can we stop now
suggesting that the disruptors were planted by Rove or Murdoch?

Of course I would not put ANYTHING past them, but sometimes things are just as they seem.

Personally, I think it made FOX look stupid. Between the yelling LaRouchers and the wrestling bell, it just looked like amateur hour. I doubt they were crazy about it.

"Where's LaRouche?"
Dean: "Probably in prison!"
Go Howard!
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:42 AM
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2. Early reviews of the debate have actually been mostly postive
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 02:43 AM by khephra
in the mainstream sources that I've seen so far this morning. Slate also seems to have loved it. The Democrats aren't seeing any fallout from the disruptions from the moderate to left-leaning press, so some DUer's worries last night were unfounded, like I suggested.

It seems that people found the event to be memorable because of the unpredictablity of the debate. I think that's a great thing. These debates have become a bit to...boring. It was time to shake things up a bit and draw the non-political junkies into watching--and theatrical disruptions may just have done that a bit.

As for how the right spins last night--was there ever any question that they will ALWAYS find something to smash the Democrats on, even if they have to make up shit? Stop being so worried about what the RW press says.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 03:41 AM
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3. that's good...
And I agree that we shouldn't bother with the RW spin; what do we expect them to say? Hannity pissed me off roght after the debate, but I never listen to him and was shocked at his blatant lies and misrepresentations.

Meanwhile, I think I heard that Shrub said in a speech today that our nation was "prosperous." LOL. Tell that to my kids' school, where the budget was slashed by 25% this year.
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 03:52 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. I really enjoyed the
debates last night. As soon as they were over and whoever made the first nasty comment (I think it was Fred Barnes), I turned the TV off. I hoped that Fox could hear the sound of millions of Dems turning the TV off.
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 07:10 AM
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6. Please define what you mean by the following quote taken from
your post: "The Democrats aren't seeing any fallout from the disruptions from the moderate to left-leaning press, so some DUer's worries last night were unfounded, like I suggested."

What "moderate or left-leaning press" were you refering to????
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 08:26 AM
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12. You might be right, or might not
If you look at his history during the 60's and 70's, you'll see that LaRouche has a history of taking paid work from the right wing.

Disrupting the left is what he does -- who can tell whether he's 'hired' to do so or whether he's freelancing at any given time.

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #1
13. Not necessarily
How did they get the tickets. I am told the tickets were invite only so they had to get the tickets some where. . .I would like to know who "hooked them up" with tickets.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #1
17. Can we stop pretending the Larochites don't work for Bush?
Just take a look at their history, when they show up, and who they attack, and who they make look bad.
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sprockets Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Simply Not True
Watch Larouche's documentary on the New World Order, you will
change your mind quickly. His indictment of the Bush Cartel is
most impressive, as a matter of fact i would rather have him in
office than Lieberman any day, at least Lyndon knows what the hell
is really going on despite some of his odd ideas on other subjects.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. I've read Larouche's stuff for 15 years
His goal is to discredit the opposition to the Bush regime by mixing legitimate criticism with wacky conspiracy theories. Not to mention the credit card scams (which they tried on me once).

Larouche is a disruptor, plain and simple.
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sprockets Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. I agree with the term "disruptor"
and if anyone deserves disruption its that Bush Lackey Lieberman.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #20
24. Discrediting the opposition to the Bush regime sounds like Leiberman
to me.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. foolish way to read LaRouche
there are many people writing about and speaking out against bush. Because he strikes one chord is not a reason to look past everything else that he stands for and has pushed for in his sorry career.

Overlooking racism, antisemitism, homophobia to the point of advocating the quarantine of all HIVpositive people to an island (to the point of lobbying for state level ballot initiatives on this issue) - to the intentional bilking of those who were foolish enough to donate campaign dollars to him, all because he (among many others) say a few things that anyone with half a brain can pull together in critiques of bushfamilyco, is foolish at best.

I am more than certain that when David Duke won the GOP primary for governor in Lousiana - that some folks found one little side issue they agreed with - and rationalized supporting his exceptionally racist positions/stands while being able to point to the one issue and say - I am supporting him because of x - but I am not a racist.
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sprockets Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. I think you need to read LaRouche
I want to make clear I am NOT a LaRouchist, but i do find some
of his theories/opinions quite valid-
http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2003/3035laborday_conf.html

In this article he denounces the california recall and yet again
rips chimp and cheney a new one over the recent energy scam.
The three stooges...ha!

He also rips Truman for dropping the bombs, one of the great
single despicable acts in human history.

And in this "New World Order" video of which i spoke earlier, the
first thing he shows is a monument (in washington) of a civil war
general who was also a klansman, and people demonstrating to get
the damn thing torn down. (sorry, don't know the name of the
general, i am trying to find the video now).

If anything, he's hardly a racist, but i think what might be
disturbing you is that he is very critical of Sharon.

Of course he does think that today's violence is brought on by
violent tv and video games, but hasn't that always been
Lieberman's poop as well?




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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:08 PM
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38. I think you might want to read other sources than LaRouche's
to get a full understanding. Here is a sample of NONLaRouche hits from a google search on LaRouche Jews:

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk960628/iaussie.htm
Australian Jews call for probe of country's LaRouche groups

JEREMY JONES

Jewish Telegraphic Agency


SYDNEY -- Australia's Jewish community this week called on the government to explore the local arm of jailed American extremist Lyndon LaRouche's cult after national TV broadcast evidence of the group's anti-Jewish activities.

The Monday broadcast included testimonies by former LaRouchites who said the group, known here as the Citizens' Electoral Councils, was engaged in a "war" against Australian Jews.

LaRouche, who has served five years in prison for mail fraud and tax evasion, champions an ideology that combines anti-Semitism and bizarre conspiracy theories, such as a claim that former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger worked for the Soviet KGB and that Britain's Queen Elizabeth heads a drug-pushing ring.

-------snip--------
On Monday's television program, the ex-Australian LaRouchites said local tactics included secretly tape-recording meetings and private telephone calls; plant-ing inaccurate information concerning Jewish business and community leaders with lawmakers, whose comments in Parliament are protected from defamation law; and inflaming other minority groups' hostility toward Jews.

Key targets were brothers Isi Leibler, chairman of the governing board of the World Jewish Congress, and Mark Leibler, federal president of the United Israel Appeal and past president of the Zionist Federation of Australia.

(much more)


Another item:
http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc2.html
LYNDON LAROUCHE:
Fascism Wrapped in an American Flag

by Chip Berlet and Joel Bellman

3/10/89

A Political Research Associates Briefing Paper

In Three Parts

Part Two

------

The Paranoid Style

LaRouche's parlaying of personal and political conspiracy theories into a multi-million dollar financial empire is unique, but paranoid political movments occur cyclically in American history. In his widely-quoted essay "The Paranoid Style in American Politics," professor Richard Hofstadter argues that in times of economic, social or political crisis, small conspiracy-minded groups suddenly gain a mass following. The anti-Catholic hysteria of the 1800's, the anti-immmigrant movement which led to the Palmer Raids in 1919, the Red Scare of the 1950's and other societal convulsions, are examples, wrote Hofstadter.

Such movements rise and fall periodically, according to Hofstadter, appealing to people fearful about the world political and economic situation, and longing for simple solutions to complex problems. The use of scapegoats is common among these movements. The findings of two academics who studied a LaRouche campaign contributor list (available from the Federal Election Commission) lend support to the thesis that LaRouche appeals to a paranoid constituency. In a 1986 press release, "Who Controls Us: A Profile of Lyndon LaRouche's Campaign Contributors," John C. Green and James L. Guth of Furman University identify LaRouche as "a new celebrity on the extreme right."

---------snip--------------
Not everyone shares the view. When Henry Kissinger was told of how LaRouche operatives met with high Reagan Administration officials in the early 1980's, he told the <New Republic>, "If this is true, it would be outrageous, stupid, and nearly unforgivable." Dennis King, co-author of the <New Republic> article which examined LaRouche's influence in scientific and intelligence circles, says during the first Reagan term LaRouche aides managed to gain "access to an alarming array of influential persons in government, law enforcement, scientific research and private industry." These ties form the basis of the LaRouche "CIA defense" against the charges he conspired to obstruct justice. LaRouche claims he believed his security aide Roy Frankhauser, a former Ku Klux Klan leader and government law enforcement informant, was a covert conduit to the CIA.

John Rees, an ultra-conservative whose <Information Digest> newsletter reports on political extremes on the left and right, says he "believes the <New Republic> story that LaRouche staffers had access to a lot of people." But he points out, "If you have all the electronic resources and information-gathering staff that LaRouche posesses you are bound to come up with occasional gems, that's what most people were interested in, not the LaRouche philosophy." Both King and Rees feel the Reagan Administration consciously began distancing itself from contacts with the LaRouche network following the <New Republic> and NBC stories.
--------------snip--------------
Racism and Anti-Jewish Rhetoric

LaRouche has many connections to the racist political right in this country. Richard Lobenthal, Midwest Regional Director for the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, observes that LaRouche security advisor Roy Frankhauser "has been identified as present with other white supremacists at meetings held at the farm of Pastor Bob Miles in Michigan." Leaders of the notoriously racist and anti-Semitic Aryan Nations have attended the same meetings. "Frankhauser's background and connections are myriad, he is obviously a LaRouchite, he is a professed racist and anti-Semite and was a close associate of neo-Nazi leader George Lincoln Rockwell," says Lobenthal.

LaRouche not only works in coalitions with bigots, he has also propounded ideas which are widely perceived to represent outright racism.

LaRouche, for instance, offended the Hispanic community in a November, 1973 essay (published in both English and Spanish) titled "The Male Impotence of the Puerto-Rican Socialist Party." An internal memo by LaRouche asked "Can we imagine anything more viciously sadistic than the Black Ghetto mother?" He described the majority of the Chinese people as "approximating the lower animal species" by manifesting a "paranoid personality. . . .a parallel general form of fundamental distinction from actual human personalities."

LaRouche's use of hysterical Jewish conspiracy theories for ulterior political motives has lead him to be branded an anti-Semite by several major Jewish groups.

One ADL spokesperson, Irwin Suall, was once sued for defamation by LaRouche for calling him a "small time Hitler." The jury ruled against LaRouche. According to LaRouche, only a million and a half Jews perished in the concentration camps, and they died primarily from overwork, disease, and starvation. This denial of the Holocaust is coupled with pronouncements saying there is nothing left of Jewish culture except what couldn't be sold to Gentiles, or claiming British Jews brought Hitler into power.



Ya... he's not racist, he's not anti-semitic at all.....

He is using contemporary issues and repackaging them to new unsuspecting followers. Be careful not to be taken in.

Funny your assumption about me. I, too, am very critical of Sharon. I was also very critical of Netanyaho (sp). I mourned the loss of Rabin - who had in the early nineties shifted his position and became much more committed to finding a peaceful solution before being felled by a bullet by a fanatic on his own side.

My criticisms of LaRouche are related, directly, to LaRouche.

When you bring to the table respectable news items - that are NOT from LaRouche - then I will be open to discuss it. But I will have to pretend, of course, that when I worked around the hill in the mid-eighties that I didn't regularly see his minions protesting on the sidewalk before the HOUSE Office buildings the active quarantine of all AIDS/HIV victims to be sent to a desert Island. Actually it was so disgusting that would be next to impossible to erase from my memory.
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sprockets Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #38
50. The quotes are damning to LaRouche, but please
find the actual documents that these quotes came from before trying
to present them as fact here. ADL and B'nai B'rith quotes from "internal memos" doesn't cut it.

I'd rather read what the guy is saying himself now as opposed to
"journalists" pre-disposed assumptions of what he "may have said" 30 years ago.

As I said before, i agree with some of LaRouche's rants, and if any
of the items you posted are true, and still hold true in his mind
today, then in those respects he's plain wacked.

But its obvious that you did not take the time to read his own words,
so what's the point? You'll simply continue to believe what you
always wanted to believe.

My goal in this thread was to point out that Lieberman's a Bush
brown noser who needs to be disrupted, whether by Larouchites or
any other hecklers who are so inclined.


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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Look
I witnessed the LaRouchites sickness first hand. There are many other folks who are very critical of Bush - and don't carry the very REAL and very ugly baggage of LaRouche.

go check out google, LaRouche, and AIDS. Look for nonLaRouche sources. better add the search term ballot initiative. See not his rhetoric - but his actual political actions.
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chadm Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #25
40. good point
.
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Goldust Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #19
52. True that
At least two of those hecklers could be heard screaming "Impeach Cheney!" That's hardly something Bushco wants people to hear.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #1
31. I think
Sharpton handled them quite nicely.
:evilgrin:
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:08 AM
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5. "Where's LaRouche?" Good question, where is he these days?
Apparently he still has a fervent following. I could see him being as competitive as Sharpton, if more controversial.

It somewhat surprises me that he hasn't gone off to form his own party like Perot, and remains a Democrat despite overwhelming shunnage.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 07:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. He calls himself a Democrat today
but he has run as an independent and third party ("economic recovery party") before.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 07:24 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Did Fox the so called Fiction Station have this planned ?
I wouldn't trust them with any thing concerning a Democrat.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. I think that the LaRouchites had it planned
although Fox proved that they can't run a decent debate. Security was lacking, they weren't prepared to handle disruptions, and I doubt that those were students who disrupted. They shouldn't have been let in.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #9
15. There are student LaRouche supporters.
They are on my campus sometimes.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #15
27. question
are they really students - if they travel from campus to campus (I gather that from your statement that they are on your campus "sometimes" - sounds like the itinerant fire and brimstone street preachers that travel from campus to campus). Where are they studying - how do they get so much time off to do the campus circuit? Just like anyone can claim to be a democrat, anyone can claim to be a student. I really do not trust these folks. Next time they show up on campus (unless they are a local campus organization composed of students on your campus) ask them a series of questions about their student status... could be interesting.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. Some students, some not.
I've spoken with them. Some are students who do leave town when they can, others are not and are full-time "organizers." Frankly, I think the model of full-time cadre is a good one, this group's politics aside. We need a lot of organizers in the field not just at campaigns.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. agreed - but then they shouldn't sell themselves as students
with this group in particular, I think it is sold this way to appear deceptively benign.
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #15
33. There were on my campus 25 years ago
It like herpes, it ain't going away...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #7
26. he was running as a self-declared democrat back in 1984
but to my knowledge wasn't on state ballots - because he didn't have regular democratic voters support.

Folks need to remember anyone can claim they are a democrat. Didn't Robert Novak claim that for a long time?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #5
14. Grampa Simpson voted for Lyndon Larouche!
I forget what episode that was.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #5
16. LaRouche
He was a third party leader (US Labor Party) until he led his followers into the Democratic Party in 1980. He realized that he could gain more exposure in one of the main parties.

Actually his followers sometimes win party primaries. A woman in Arizona was a congressional candidate a couple times, beating the mainstream Democrat in the primary. She raised a storm be suggesting that GOP policies were going to send the elderly "to the gas ovens of managed care." I actually agree with that line, but their monomaniacal devotion to LaRouche the person is cultist.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 07:35 AM
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10. What the hell
The disruption made the debates just that more interesting. Appears that the disrupters were wanting to get Lieberman's goat and I think they managed that. Sharpton looked good, Dean looked good, Graham didn't look so good re.gay rights, Kerry looked weak on his support of his pro invasion vote and all-around weak, Edwards seems to young, Braun looked good as always and Lieberman stinks. Did I miss anyone?
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. You missed Denis Kucinich. (NT)
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:32 PM
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53. Of course he missed Kucinich

Beacause DK shows Dean for the fraud he is. Mr. Im against the war, but Im now against ending the war. What a joke.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:28 AM
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18. LaRouche targets Lieberman
I don't support LaRouche but do read his groups' publications on occasion. I find their critiques of the DLC and Lieberman to be interesting. I disagree strongly with many of their social views and international positions (except opposing the war against Iraq), but find their economic perspectives interesting, favoring large-scale public works projects and so forth, modeled on the New Deal.

For reference purposes:
http://larouchepub.com/
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:48 AM
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28. They also were chanting while Sen. Kerry started speaking
what was that about? Oh ya, disruption. I would not be surprised if some faux employee invited them to the debates just hoping for such antics.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:03 AM
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22. the larouche people
are at EVERY political event to disrupt and heckle...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:04 AM
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23. During the Viet Nam days
LaRouche was widely considered to be some sort of CIA plot...trying to disrupt otherwise peaceful protests...

In the 1980s his loonies used to harass airline passengers pimping for nuclear power....
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:37 PM
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29. I got a phone call a few months ago from a LaRouche supporter...
a woman who was trying to get me to learn more and become a supporter.

This was the first time I had ever gotten contacted by a LaRouche person in all my years of being a voter.....
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:40 PM
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30. First question, what mistakes were made in the war?
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 12:41 PM by Timefortruth
Soft ball if there were ever were one. Rummy is going on about what a great war it has been.


never mind, wrong thread. Newbie mistake.
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chadm Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 01:57 PM
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35. Why doesn't anyone care about what he has to say?
According to his site, he is just behind Kerry in the fundraising effort, and yet he's been excluded from the debate. Isn't anyone concerned about this or vaguely interested at all?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:08 PM
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39. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. ah...
very revealing.
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sprockets Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #39
54. "This is a message board for Democrats..."
Right, my mistake. I thought this was the democratic underground.
I never read the rules until you yanked my satirical post, which is
indeed my mistake.

So long and thanks for all the fish!

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. please read my post #38
btw, the only people who claim his fundraising position, that I have read, are folks from the LaRouche camp. I don't believe it is new fundraising - I suspect a cummulative chest - which one might be able to build when fundraising running for president for more than 20 years.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:28 PM
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45. The part about fundraising that is interesting has to do with the debates.
I believe one of the conditions to be included in the Democratic debates was to have raise X number of dollars from Y number of contributors. As I have read, LaRouche met this criteria by a landslide. That is why he insists on being included in the debates. It is just a matter of not writing the rules, but playing by them. If this is so, he should be included. The rules should apply to all candidates equally. I have said this for Perot and Nader.

As for the man personally, he is nuttier than a fruitcake. I think he is the leader of a cult and that is how he can have so many different contributors. All he has to do is ask all of his followers for donations. That shouldn't be difficult, I once worked with a young man that was ensnared by his group. They essentially take all your money and belongings and have you live in a communal home and work all day recruiting or begging money.

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:42 PM
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47. Where is a non LaRouche item that
shows his fundraising - in the same time frame - compared to other candidates? Not cummulative warchest stuff, but 2003 fundraising? I am not saying it doesn't exist - but I have not seen it. I suspect any pro-LaRouche items as generally originating... from LaRouche. But I could be wrong...
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:45 PM
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48. I would think he would have to submit documentation to be eligible.
Perhaps the party officials have document that were submitted for the debates. I really have no idea, just a guess.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:46 PM
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49. So - it could be that the only place it is claimed that he is a top
fundraiser - is in LaRouche circles - and that they couldn't submit the documentation to make him eligible?
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:03 PM
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36. Why are disruptors at the debate looked down upon????
I have read repeatedly in these forums hoe it is appropriate to shout down the opposition. I have seen campaigns to organize people blowing whistles to drown out speakers. How is this different? Is it merely hipocracy? Is it the misguided tenet of "no free speech for fascists"?


I have never endorsed these tactics. It just now seems funny that so many would have a problem with the strategy....especially here at the DU.
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chadm Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:06 PM
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37. He seems to have a good following in Seattle
Young supporters pass out pamphlets outside my office building frequently.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:18 PM
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44. Read this and ask these young folks
about some of these issues re: LaRouche. I am sure they have been trained for some pat responses. The telling thing is if you ask the same question, of different kids, at different times - and see how similar the response is. That is always an indication of lack of independent thought/indoctrination. (Something I find scary - be it from those whose only "news" source is a combination of Rush, Hannity and Faux, those who fully subscribe to all things put out by Focus on the Family or followers of LaRouche).

http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc.html
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WheresWaldo Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:36 PM
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46. His supporters have also been targetting the US Muslim pop.
A friend told me that his materials are distributed outside mosques by volunteers and they have publications at many Muslim meat shops in Mich, Houston, Boston and even in DC.
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TrueBlueDem Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 06:51 PM
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55. The 1986 LaRouche Election Debacle in Illinois
That year, two followers of LaRouche ran in the Democratic primary and actually knocked two party-backed candidates off the statewide Democratic Party ballot. Mark J. Fairchild managed to win the primary race for lieutenant governor and Janice Hart was nominated for secretary of state.

In the end, the Republicans won the elections, but it was a huge embarrassment for the Democrats, particularly the voters, since the episode revealed how little people actually bother to learn about the candidates they vote for.

I was living in the state at the time, and my father, who unwittingly voted for the LaRouche-ites, said he did so because of their "ordinary-sounding names. Translation: their names didn't end in "ski" or otherwise sound like they were from Chicago, rather than from downstate, like us.
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