Girl, 10, Cuffed for Scissors in School (WTF is wrong with these ppl

[Florida_Geek]

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Scissors-Arrest.html

December 11, 2004
Girl, 10, Cuffed for Scissors in School
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 4:03 p.m. ET

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- A 10-year-old girl was placed in handcuffs and taken to a police station because she took a pair of scissors to her elementary school.

School district officials said the fourth-grade student did not threaten anyone with the 8-inch shears, but violated a rule that considers scissors to be potential weapons.

Administrators said they were following state law when they called police Thursday, and police said they were following department rules when they handcuffed Porsche Brown and took her away in a patrol wagon.

``My daughter cried and cried,'' said her mother, Rose Jackson. ``She had no idea what she did was wrong. I think that was way too harsh.''

//more at AP //

[William Bloode]

1. The sad fact is....

we are gonna see some apologists for this action.

[tabasco]

2. Yep, gotta follow procedures.

What species, exactly, are these people?

[gemini62167]

41. They are of the species known as Idioticus Humanassius

I've decided that humanity is pretty much 90 percent of the above.

[renaissanceguy]

54. I call them Erectus Disfunctus

[socrates42]

88. which people?

Who are you busting on? The people who broke the rules, or the ones who followed them?

and, by the way, isn't that kind of busting against DU policy?

sincerely,
socrates42

[PartyPooper]

3. Ridiculous! Don't they send kids to the Principal's office, anymore?

Actually, a note to her parents would have sufficed. But, to call the cops on this little girl is way-over-the-top in my book!

:dunce:

[bullimiami]

8. How about taking the scissors and calling the parents?

WTF. Our country has gone mindless.

[PartyPooper]

15. Yep. A call to the parents would have been in order.

But, there's no more common sense these days.

:crazy:

[Cronus Protagonist]

59. I have a friend who's a teacher - he's taken scissors, knives, etc.

And never once told the principal... a warning to the kid usualy results in the kid saying that they forgot or didn't know it wasn't OK since they used these things at home.

Someone blew this up beyond all proportion here.




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[Just Me]

68. Welcome to the evolving fascism zone called "NO TOLERANCE".

Authoritarianism is moving towards the extreme.

[Cronus Protagonist]

78. Well, the difference is that my friend never reported the kids

He assessed, correctly, that there was no need. The intent to violence simply wasn't there, and he chose not to vilify the child despite these draconian polcies.

[Ms_Mary]

81. Don't even get me started on zero tolerance policies in school.

[Inland]

4. Be brutal for the sake of stopping violence.

Teaches the kid that all you need is a position of authority like teacher or cop before you get physical.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. Do they do this to the kids of private school?

If not, it's becoming harrassment.

[steely]

6. Read about this locally this moring, and I couldn't believe it.

I can't get to the NYT link (no account), but the only thing the local paper said was the policy was to uses cuffs in cases like these - HUH!? it blew my mind.

I can't get over wondering what the hell was in the mind of the officer who slapped them on!!!

No room for reason at all.

[Florida_Geek]

11. With a first name of Porsche

I could be wrong (flame suite ON) but I could guess her race.

[Journeyman]

28. What does her German heritage have to do with her arrest?. . .

I thought the Germans stereotypically did the arresting?

Oh, but on reflection, I see what you mean: It could be her parents are poor spellers and thought the Italian maiden's name, Portia, from Merchant of Venice, was spelled the same as the automobile. I don't see a need for asbestos underwear when making inferences about the spelling abilities of those of Italian heritage. I'm sure its no worse than other ethnic groups.

[IronLionZion]

85. ??? you're white aren't you?

I bet Porsche (pronounced porsha) Brown and her mother Rose Jackson are black, not German. And we all know African Americans are more likely to face discrimination than blond haired blue eyed Germans.

[socrates42]

89. as a german-american,...

why must you bust on my ancestors like this? Isn't this against DU policy?

[brucefan]

7. Violence is rampant

here in Philly schools,24 killed this year alone.Im not saying this is the answer just that school officials may be quick to respond to even the smallest incidents

[UL_Approved]

12. You sure don't hear about school violence these days

Just another major coverup on behalf of the Bush admin. What have they actually done to address the violence conderns? What is the cause?

[bullimiami]

13. Brucefan. NO. NO NO NO NO NO.

NO way. No excuses for cuffing a 10yo for having a pair of scissors. No threat, no nothing?

Come on man. This is as stupid as taking the shoes off of a 85 yo grandmother at the airport.

Have a little sense. Stupidity is not acceptable.

[brucefan]

29. Exuse me?

Where did I condone the actions of the police.I was just pointing out that school killings dominate the headlines here and I agree that police are overreacting.

[UL_Approved]

9. I seriously wonder

How long will it be before this is taken to the state Supreme Court and declared unconstitutional. This is more ridiculous than the Miranda rights case. These school administrators will probably be looking for new jobs soon, I hope.

[genieroze]

19. Don't hold your breath.

I belong to this group, this is common place anymore.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PAZT/

[Stinky The Clown]

10. Mix political correctness with zero tolerance and you get this shit

What ever happened to Common Fucking Sense?

Teacher: "May I have those scissors, dear?
Student: "Yes Miss Marshall. I brought them to use to make my paper chain for Christmas"

vs

Swat Team Blue-Squad Leader: "Put the scissors down and step away from the desk."
Student: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

or

Student: "Beeeyatch! You kissed my boyfriend and now you're gunna get it"

:shrug:

[Sparkly]

14. Only In George Bush's America

:wtf:

Are they going to outlaw paperdolls?

[genieroze]

31. I hate to say this but this was Clintons doing after Columbine.

Believe me I would love to blame Bushco. He does have the power to stop it though and he won't.

[Sparkly]

32. Scissors??

I don't recall that scissors were ever a problem during Clinton's terms; guns, yes, and there were more metal detectors and security added to schools. But it's after 9/11 that BushCo decided all sharp objects are a problem (nail clippers on airplanes, etc.). This is definitely one of the craziest examples I've heard, though.

[genieroze]

56. Zero Tolerance was Clinton.

That is one thing Clinton did that was a knee jerk reaction to Columbine and these schools systems jumped right on board. The initial law was a good thing but it became perverted into things like water pistols, rubber bands etc....They were suspending kids for things like butter knives etc... before 9/11. Now they call these things terroristic threats, that's Bushco.

[1monster]

61. Zero tolerance was policy before Columbine and before Clinton. It has

been around for a very long time. I think it started with the Reagan Bush years. The Oklahoma City bombing, then Columbine, and then 9/11 escalated the draconian stance of school boards and adminstrators.

I don't recall Clinton saying much at all about zero tolerance.

[genieroze]

63. Here is some info.

I'm extremely informed about this. Having a child involved in this ZT mess has made me an advocate of sorts. I know all about this stuff, trust me. Clinton did start this but it's the schools who abused a law that had the right intentions. Now it's a ZT monster, hurting more kids than it helps.
http://www.russelltexas.com/Newspaper/zerotolerance.htm

Here is a link to one of my groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PAZT/

Clinton wanted it for violent students and drugs not for kids with spit balls. It became a bureaucratic nightmare and it's getting worse.

[HamiltonHabs32]

16. no tasers?

Very sad story, I can ONLY amagin what it would be like seeing a cop handcuffing a 10 year old... seriously I can only amagin it I have never seen it.

[demosincebirth]

17. Same thing happen to my youngest daughter when she was 12.

She was riding her bike on the side walk and accidently scraped a car. She came home, not thinking anything about it, cause it was tiny scratch. A couple of hours latter some young cop came to the door and arrested her and put her in handcuffs and put her in the back seat of ther cop car. I was not home, but my wife was really upset. In hindsight, if I was home, I would have went to jail too.
Long story short, case was dismissed because the asshole cop didn't read her her miranda rights.

[Misunderestimator]

27. My lord... that's awful.

[Autobot77]

46. Thats fucked up.

Did you sue the department or the police officer? Try to get the officer fired? Just curious.I hate hearing about cases like this. If it were me I would've raised hell about it.

[demosincebirth]

65. I found out later that the owner of the car she scratch was a captain in

the police dept. Later, his insurance tried to get us to pay for the scratch on his car. I was so pissed, I just told them to get fucked. Never heard a word about the incident after that. I've alway said, from experience (I'm a minority in the "burbs") that cops are neccesary evil.

[genieroze]

90. Aren't rights a good thing?

What ever happened to a parent talking to another parent? This Nanny State crap makes me want to :puke:

[Lady Effingbroke]

18. Indoctrination.

Get 'em while they're young.

[vinnievin777]

20. This BS will stop

when someone does that to a really rich and powerful person.

Vinnie Vin

[genieroze]

92. It will never happen. eom

[Pithlet]

21. Ridiculous

Zero tolerance bullshit.

[Danmel]

22. My 10 year accidentally brought scissors in his backpack to the airport

They screened his bag, found the scissors, took them from him, apologized and gave us an envelope to self address so they could be sent back to him. They didn't cuff him or arrest him, but he is a cute little white boy.

[amazona]

45. er, when did this happen?

If it was recently, the envelope will be returned to you with a fine assessed for $250! No, they don't cuff or arrest or even tell you that there is now a charge for confiscating items at the airport. They let you get the good cheer in the mail in a few weeks.

[Danmel]

69. In August

At JFK in NY- no fine yet!

[Seldona]

23. My wife and I are looking into home schooling.

The school system is out of control imo.

And with the forced druggings and such on the way, I have had enough.

Fortunately I live in a town with an incredibly well developed home-schooling organization that, for 270 bucks a year, offers all kinds of opportunities.

Oh, and my daughters will be allowed to have scissors in this school.

And handcuffing her?

Beyond all reasonablee thought.

You can tell even the school system and law enforcment knew it too.

We were only following orders...

Yea, whatever assholes.

[socrates42]

91. you would rather send your student to a school that doesn't follow rules?

Anyone in this thread wonder whether we are being told the whole story?

As a science teacher who did my student-teaching in a junior high school in which a student came to school one day and shot the vice pricipal dead in cold blood in front of all of the cafeteria,....I wonder whether this incident is not actually very good,..especially for parents, since a kid shouldn't "accidentally" go to school with anything.

As a principal I wouldn't want students to be able to use the "accidentally" excuse,...or the ignorance excuse,...

those excuses are only set aside for Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds.

socrates42

[pffarrell]

100. That's awful

What was the name of that school?

[Seldona]

102. Then perhaps the rules are flawed.

No, I do not believe a 10 year old girl should be arrested, handcuffed, and hauled off to the police station for this particular infraction.

What happened to taking intent into account?

Had she stabbed a school mate, then of course.

But that is not the case here, and comparing this is a school shooting is hardly fair imo.

[genieroze]

96. Here is some help

We always talk about home schooling,
A non partisan web site. We are a group who
is for kids getting educated not castrated.
We have people from the religious right to
the liberal left, for the most part, in agreement.
There are many groups on Home Schooling in the
Yahoo groups as well.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PAZT

Here is a search on yahoo groups for home schooling
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=home%20schooling

This used to be a Christian fundie thing, but with all the crap the public schools are pulling, not anymore. My kids are almost done with school, thank God.

[reprobate]

98. That's exactly what Bushco wants you to do.

Their entire thrust is to destroy the parts of gov't that helps people.

They WANT to destroy the school system. It will mean lower taxes because most states finance schools with ad velorem taxes. Remember they intend to shrink gov't until they can "drown it in a bathtub".

Look at what they're doing to social security. Look at the environment.

[napi21]

24. I agree, this whole thing is stupid, but what was her mother thinking?

There has sure been enough publicity about all this nonsence that every parent should know by now that you don't put a knife in your kids lunch box, or give him/her scissors to take to school.

I think all parents should go to the school board meetings and complain that the officials are simply not using common sense in these situation, and they need to take the responsibility of their job, and make a dam* decision based upon THINKING! But until that happens, why did this parent allow her daughter to take scissors to school?

Isn;t this exactly like taking scissors on an airplane, or a knife etc? I know I shouldn't do that, and if I get caught they'll confiscate my scissors, or me!

Somehow the school officials have moved people into accepting that they don't need to think! All they have to do is strictly abide by some black and white list that says NO ITEM THAT CAN BE A WEAPON! Well, almost anything can be a weapon if that is your real intent! I can sharpen the edge of a credit card to use as a knife, a high heel shoe to use as a dagger, a pen, a pencil or, almost anything! People in authority need to take the responsibility to assess a situation, and make a judgement. If they are wrong, they will be judged so, but damn it, that's your job!!!

BTW, I mentioned a pencil. 20 years ago, my son was a freshman HS student in a very upscale public school. He came home one day and told me about one student getting upset with another and he stabbed him in the neck with his pencil. NOT A JAB...the injured student was running down the hall with a pencil sticking out of his neck! As far as I remember, the injured student recovered, and the assaulter was expelled. My point is...the authorities need to take responsibility for doing their job, and that is making decisions on situations that occur, and then stand by their decisions!

[Seldona]

26. Well I have 2 school age children,

and I had no idea scissors would be classified as a deadly weapon.

Call me stupid, whatever, but when I was in school scissors were in every classroom.

Do the lunchrooms cut all food into bite size portions for the kids too?

Sure is a different world than it was in the 70's.

And not at all in a good way.

[napi21]

30. I sure agree with the different world part!

My youngest is now 34 and has kids of his own, so all I know is what I hear. I sure have heard of a lot of stupid decisions made in the schools about weapons these days!

There was a first grader here in Ga. who was suspended for having a keychain with a one inch token on it in the shap of a gun!!!

Like I said...the schools management is simply ignoring any responsibility and using some LIST to make their decisions instead of their brain! If they use their brain, they could be wrong, and God forbid someone could do that!

[uppityperson]

57. They need to chew the food into bits so the kids don't choke

Or try each piece in one of those tube things to make sure toys aren't choke sized.

[Ms_Mary]

82. Maybe the mom thought they had craft time. I had to send

scissors to son for his school. It was on his list of school supplies for the year.

[fshrink]

25. It's called "panic".

And it's politically very useful to entertain.

[drdtroit]

33. "police said they were following department rules"

which in Philly means harassment to the fullest extent of being a total asshole!

[socrates42]

93. if they don't follow the written rules,....

they will get accused of preferential treatment,...ie. racism

think about it

[hickman1937]

34. Administrators and police

are most likely following iron clad laws. Behind all these laws is usually a group of parent zealots who get school boards and state reps elected. Rose Jackson needs to do some homework. Hunt down the names of the original group, then the state reps responsible for this. Then sue the hell out of each and every one of them. These creeps have been holding school administrators hostage too long. By the time this crap happens they have buried themselves in anonymity.

[Benhurst]

35. What's all the fuss about? The young girl had a valuable

learning experience which will prepare her for living in the police state being enacted by Congress and established by the Bush Crime Family. Now at least she knows what to expect.

[Cheswick2.0]

36. schools have scissors, why was she bringing her own?

Were the they children's rounded point or or regular pointed adult sized? I agree that they should have just called her parents and the police car etc... was ridiculous.

However I feel for these inner city Philly schools. They can't even get teachers to teach there because the conditions are so horrible.

[2cents]

37. Pathetic...

...what a joke this joint is turning into - I can't blame people for wanting to leave.

[bobbieinok]

38. kid scissors (blunt tip) or adult (pointed tip)???????

[Occulus]

76. oh, I *hated* those when I was a kid

no, not the kid scissors- the adult ones. My grandmother had a pair and I was always almost afraid to touch them- the ends were so sharp that if I dropped them even while holding them point down I'd still be likely to skewer my foot.

NOT a good feeling to have as a kid. I usually left them alone...

[AirAmFan]

39. Had the 10-yr old w scissors been a boy rather than a girl, would the

AP article even have been published?

When police persecution of inner-city minority young women catches up with their near-enslavement of male minority youth, stories like this won't get past editors anymore--they'll be too ho-hum.

Like former members of busted unions whose jobs have gone overseas, minority urban young people caught up in a near-slavery "justice" system dominating THE MAJORITY of their lives are such a commonplace they aren't even considered newsworthy anymore.

Even in Minneapolis, let alone Atlanta or Jackson, Mississippi, ALMOST HALF of male minority youth are arrested by the police EVERY YEAR, and 20 percent cannot legally vote because they are currently caught up in the "justice" system. See http://www.jujitsufilms.com/justice/factsheet.htm .

That webpage is part of the promotion for a truly radical film about this issue, "JUSTICE", written and directed by a civil rights lawyer and starring Roger Guenveur Smith (who co-starred on HBO with James Carville in "K Street"). See http://www.themoviejustice.com .

This is another "Democratic base" issue those who get DLC funding must never mention.

[dawgman]

40. Fuck tha PO-LICE

nt

[amazona]

42. wow we were all criminals at my grade school

Indeed IIRC we were required to have the scissors for some projects.

[Endangered Specie]

43. And people think its just the RED states that are fucked up.

[Swamp Rat]

47. The USA is fucked up - mass psychosis

This red state/blue state meme is a construct used by corporate media, in conjunction with propaganda, to divide Americans.

[alcuno]

44. Last year I took a pair of scizzors out of the hand of a 50 lb 6th grader.

A girl. It was during a large screaming scuffle in the hallway. When asked later about the scizzors, the fifty pounder said, "I was going to stab her." Another girl with whom she was having a conflict.

My point is to say that there could be more to the story and even if there is not, there are some whacked out kids out there.

[Rush1184]

99. If you fully read the article before, you would have read

that there was no threat involved.

[0007]

48. Give me a fucking goddamn break, what is this country thinking?

[Maat]

49. I'm sorry ... let's get back to the handcuffs....which is..

the true issue, here.

During my social work years ('93 to 2000), twice I had police officers ask me if I wanted the children cuffed. At the scene of Incident #1, the child was 10, and at the scene of Incident #2, the child was 3.

Each time I told the officer in question, that, no, we did not handcuff children. Grab 'em, maybe, during an extreme circumstance. Cuff them? No way.

During the first incident, the ten-year-old told me, as her mom and dad were being led away in cuffs for a long vacation courtesy of the stte, that she was going to kill me. I just told her, "Can we at least get a bite to eat before that?" Didn't have any trouble with her afterwards. She had a nice auntie to go to.

Thanks for listening.

This is why, when I was blessed with our daughter, I found a small private school. It is worth the $. There are many, many fine teachers and administrators in public schools. But I saw many with a complete lack of judgment, too. Sorry if I seem hypocritical for sending mine to a private, non-religious school. But the public schools around here just seem too overwhelmed.

[livinbella]

62. Ah, you make complete sense!

thank you

[MrUnderhill]

50. This COULD have been the right course of action...

...she may have been RUNNING with those scissors. ;-)

[uppityperson]

58. mandatory handcuffs on stair rails to prevent falling

pharmaceutically approved anti-worm medicine for all school age kids who might eat paste.
gas masks before using the chalk board.
hmmm, all sorts of safety ideas, and if anyone doesn't follow them, cuff them, taser them and hall them off.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

51. What's next, are we going to strip search them in kindergarten?

This is a case of serious over reacting. I don't care what the regulations are (and they should be changed!) you don't traumatize a 10 year old for doing something mundane.

I am sure it was in the vast list of rules the parent and student have to sign and return at the beginning of the year. But scissors are used in just about every childhood craft. They are as common to a 10 year old as white glue. How can they expect a child to remember that they are illegal? Even if she did recall that they were not permitted, children break rules in school. You send them to the principal or write out a detention. If it is a very bad offense you send a letter home to the parent. You don't arrest a child for committing a non-violent infraction.

[AirAmFan]

55. Just think what a traumatic effect this is likely to have on the girl

She might start re-thinking her every action, worried that, because she was not concentrating hard enough on how the authorities might interpret her actions, police soon would be coming for her again, with uniforms, guns, handcuffs, radios, patrol cars, jail cells, and steel bars.

When a policeman is directing traffic at a corner, might she go several blocks out of her way to avoid crossing in front of him?

In a clothing store, might she hesitate to try anything on?

We all know how kids "overreact". This is really tragic.

[Old and In the Way]

52. Preparing our children for the police state.

How many kids have been attacked/killed with scissors in schools? Will shoe laces be banned next as potential stragulation weapons?

[saigon68]

84. They are being empowered to join the Military

AND KILL RAG-HEADS.

OR AS THE TROOPS CALL THEM "DIAPER-HEADS"

[Darranar]

53. Inexcusable. Blatantly disproportionate brutality. n/t

[1monster]

60. Every year that my son was in elementary school, there was a supply

list sent home to the parents for items the child had to have but the school would not provide.

And every year scissors were on that list. (My son is in the seventh grade this year, so he has been out of elementary school for only two years.)

What gives at this school?????!!!!!

[eauclaireliberal]

64. Good! Doncha know the dangers involved with

having kids with scissors will lead to...making things with construction paper! Gasp!</sarcasm>

Don't expect this to change anytime soon.

[ninkasi]

66. This is a perfect example

of why one of my nieces home school her young sons. She said that the schools in her district are too rigid and Conservative. She wants her children to learn how to think, not just memorize things they won't remember a week after a test has been given.

My nephews, by the way, are far more advanced that other children their age, because she teaches not only classroom lessons, but makes any questions they ask into a learning experience.

It sounds to me like the schools don't want to exercise any judgment, they find it easier to enforce zero tolerance rules instead. Looks like the schools will be turning out many, many little robots who are conditioned to obey, instead of think.

[4democracy]

67. Administrators following state law, police following dept. rules

isn't that what the nazis said, "we were just following orders"


Administrators said they were following state law when they called police Thursday, and police said they were following department rules when they handcuffed Porsche Brown and took her away in a patrol wagon.

[Rose Siding]

70. They found them during a search of students' belongings...

Is this legal?

snip>
However, school officials suspended her for five days. Administrators will decide at a hearing whether she may return to class, or be expelled to a special disciplinary school.

The scissors were discovered while students' belongings were being searched for property missing from a teacher's desk.

[neweurope]

80. "expelled to a special disciplinary school" ???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!

For having scissors????

My God. Get out of that country. This is trerible.

[BiggJawn]

71. What? No TASER????

They'll be hearing from Mr. Kerik first thing Monday morning...

Fucking pigs. They've just about spent their collective "Murka's HEROS of 9-11" political capital....

[OutsourceBush]

72. Dems and Repukes both Police-Staters..t his is what we get

Dumb a$$ Clinton put 100k more Nazis in uniform. now we will never get rid of them because the Repukes love them.

[WildClarySage]

73. My son (who has his moments) decided earlier this year to bring

a pair of my craft scissors (very sharp, long pointy tips) to school because the rounded tip ones they supplied were dull and not very good at cutting the paper they were using for a craft project. He's 10 and in 4th grade. He's a wonderful kid but doesn't always use his head. His teacher collected them from him and at the end of the day when I picked him up, she gave them back to me and asked that he not bring them again. This, was a very reasonable response. If he'd have gotten a detention, that would also have been ok. Suspension? Probably ok too. But if he'd been led out of the school in handcuffs, I would have raised holy hell! When I read this, I'm thinking, that poor child! There but for the Grace of Goddess goes my kiddo!

[pinniped]

74. It took these nazis how long to figure this out?

--Police officers decided the girl hadn't committed a crime and let her go.--

So it took a trip to the station and handcuffs for these inept coppers to figure this shit out. Dept. rules my ass.

[Bouncy Ball]

75. My daughter

who is the same age, recently brought scissors to school that were larger than what is allowed (regular sized and they are only allowed little ones). I didn't know she took them, she didn't think to mention it. She took them because her regular scissors (little ones) were missing out of her pencil box and they were working on a project that day.

Her teacher noticed the bigger scissors, told her she couldn't bring that kind, wrote a note to me explaining she needed new, smaller scissors, held the larger scissors until the end of the day and let her borrow a smaller pair. Then my daughter brought home the bigger scissors with the note from the teacher. I bought her another pair of smaller scissors which she took to school the next day. End of story.

[sakabatou]

77. Hmm... I brough scissors to my school once (the big kind)

and I wasn't arrested... GAH!

[neweurope]

79. But this makes a lot of sense really!

They're getting the population used to the idea that everybody at any time can be arrested. Shackles even for a ten-year-old carrying scissors.

And you all should get used to the idea, too. Pronto.

:grouphug:

[Massachusetts]

83. FEAR CONTROLS

COMMON SENSE HAS TAKEN A BACK SEAT IN OUR COUNTRY.

WHAT WOULD THE EARLY PATRIOTS IN OUR COUNTRY THINK OF US TODAY?!

:mad:

TO FIX WHAT HAS BEEN BROKEN WILL REQUIRE US STARTING OVER AGAIN. IMO

[IronLionZion]

86. Those department rules suck ass

and expelling to a disciplinary school, hell even marking it on her permanent record is way out of line. They should have just taken them, scolded her, and told her parents.

I've done way worse things when I was 10 like get in fist fights, and they didn't take me away in handcuffs. And I'm brown.

[rodeodance]

87. no independant thinking --and a little girl gets caught in the middle.

Shameful!!!1

[socrates42]

94. if they selectively follow rules,..they become open to charges of,...

racism.

And when given the ability to selectively enforce rules,..get what happens,....brown people get the cuffs, white people get the soft glove treatment.

[mrdmk]

95. First and foremost, I would have never made though school with

these kind of rules

Being the one of the artist in school, I was asked to do special projects for art sake. These special projects included the need for special tools. Of course I had asked permission first (note: I started school in 1964 and left in 1977) to use sharp scissors, razor blades, knifes etc.

The problem here is that we have a group of people who never want to deal with problems, so they create a bunch of rules and create more problems. Sending a minor from a school to a jail on victim-less crime is a joke, real poor judgment. This is just a way to create a flawed statistic by making a problem before a problem occurs.

Then there is a problem of some areas where the schools are no longer a place of learning, but an institution to keep children until the parents come home from work. I saw this first hand considering both of my parents worked. Of course my brother and I did not stay at school until my parents came home, although there was concern by teachers and other school authorities when they discovered the situation.

There was also some I did a while back that stated that schools in the United States were being "dumb down", since the 1850's and was mostly to create converts to society. This maybe tin foil time but there seemed to be some truth to this idea. Maybe someone else knows more.

Also, there was a problem on the east coast were the school principle asked police to do a raid on a high school because of a great deal of drug use and dealing. The police came into the school guns drawn, fingers on the trigger and putting students on the floor in prone positions. A search of students and the school facility did not turn-up any drugs. This happened approx. one year ago. Does anybody know what to this case?

[genieroze]

97. I think it was SC.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/national/main582492.shtml

[mrdmk]

101. Yes, that is it

Here is a justification that amazes me (from above article).

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Police didn't find any criminals in the armed sweep, but they say K-9 dogs smelled drugs on a dozen backpacks. Goose Creek police and school administrators defend the draconian measures as necessary for crime prevention.
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What an unprofessional statement. That will be the day when a dog comes into court and testifies that it smelled drugs on some kid's backpack. As stated before, no arrest were made.

There is a video report about 1/4 down on the right hand side of the page.