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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:05 PM
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U.S. renews air strikes on Fallujah


BAGHDAD, Dec. 11 (UPI) -- U.S. war planes Saturday launched a fresh wave of air strikes on suspected rebel strongholds in Fallujah, west of Baghdad.

The renewal of the air raids came amid unconfirmed reports of ground clashes in several areas of the city that is populated by Sunni Muslims.

Most of Fallujah's population, estimated at 250,000, fled last month from the fierce fighting, which has continued at intervals despite U.S. and Iraqi forces' claims they have taken complete control of the city.

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:08 PM
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1. Wonder How Much Napalm They Dropped Today?
eom
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:09 PM
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2. I guess that's one way to get rid of those half-eaten bodies
just bomb 'em.

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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:17 PM
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6. an article earlier today said there was no one left alive in Fallujah
"If you consider the entire public health situation, with nobody in town, there's no public health crisis, and if it is prepared correctly there won't be a health crisis," Staggs said Wednesday.

that was in the thread about troops killing dogs and cats in Fallujah -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2815471

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:56 AM
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36. Don't worry about all that gunfire...
we're just hunting cats and dogs. Is that the story?
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:12 PM
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3. Just a damn minute here.
Fallujah was reported by the Imperial Media to be under control. You don't think somebody lied, do you?

:eyes:
dbt
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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:15 PM
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4. no one lied
Just shutup * knows what he is doing
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:17 PM
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22. Fallujah has been flattened,...now, "under control".
Humanitarian services will be allowed back in AFTER all bodies have been disposed.

Is Fallujah better off after removing that tyrant, Saddam?

Is Mosul or Baghdad or the nation of Iraq better off now that we have occupied this country?

:freak:
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:07 AM
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27. Since they haven't found Margaret Hassan's body I was wondering if
she and her captors might have been killed by American bombs or marines?
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:16 PM
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5. How many times
must we be victorious in Fallujah before it counts?
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:22 PM
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7. same as in Mosul and every other town...
it appears that we will be retaking these towns daily until all the "insurgents" and "rebels" are dead... and since by military defination every Iraqi killed is a "rebel" (except for those "civilians" who are harmed by roadside IEDs)well...

looks like a bleak future for Iraq and the Iraqi people.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:28 PM
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8. Makes you wonder what's really happening -n/t
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:57 AM
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37. Cats and dogs, apparently. n/t
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:34 PM
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9. think about algiers
the french "occupied" their country for 130 years. people will never stop defending their homeland
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:38 PM
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10. "fresh wave of air strikes"
Oxymoron phrase...
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:40 PM
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11. That's ok....Now we can win again!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:47 PM
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:28 AM
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32. No
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 01:29 AM by ConsAreLiars
Blaming the troops is something the neo-con fascists would do. Not something that would be done by those who understand the true nature of this war of conquest and occupation.

(edit typo)
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:37 AM
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34. I disagree with you..
Being a german, the most annoying thing for me - even here at Du - is that those Americans, who have killed 100.000 innocent Iraqis are still considered to be some kind of innocent victims of their government. They are adult American citizens, fighting an illegal war for more than a year. And every single one of them - opposed even to the german soldiers in WWII - knows exactly what he or she is doing.

Every single american soldier, who is still killing Iraqis and who doesn't desert, is simply a criminal and killer of the worst kind.

And every single one of them should be punished for what they are doing there.

Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:49 AM
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35. You're quite right, and a bit wrong.
Sure, we all are responsible for our acts, but putting the blame on the ground forces, as the troller suggested, is a diversion. Corporatists decide where they go and thus what they do.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:56 PM
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13. They resumed bombing after satellite surveillance photos showed
two bricks still stacked?
They still think buildings are the insurgency. I guess. :shrug:
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:58 PM
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14. This has got to be a joke.
Bombing what? Who?

Unbelievable, what this Bush Govt comes up with.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:15 PM
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15. U.S. renews air strikes on Hue
DANANG, March, 11 -- U.S. war planes Saturday launched a fresh wave of air strikes on suspected VC strongholds near Hue, north of Danang.

The renewal of the air raids came amid unconfirmed reports of ground clashes in several areas of the city that is populated by NVA regulars.

Most of Hue's population, estimated at 250,000, fled last month from the fierce fighting, which has continued at intervals despite U.S. and South Vietnam forces' claims they have taken complete control of the city.


All I changed were the names. Sound familiar to any of you oldsters, like me? Just imagine Walter Cronkite reading this dispatch on the CBS Evening News on March 11, 1968 ... eleven days after the "end" of the Battle of Hue, which began a month earlier, during the Tet Offensive. It is almost as if the current story were plagiarized from, or at least written in, 60s-speak.



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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:13 PM
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21. Thank you, DemoTex!
Flashbacks are a LOT better when you can share them with somebody who's lived it all.

:hi:
dbt
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:17 AM
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30. Ay-yi-yi
Thanks Demo. That's especially eye-opening to those of us who were alive then but too busy gnawing on Zwieback bread and shitting our drawers to know what was going on.

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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:36 AM
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33. It hurts to see this happen all over again
I thought after the trauma of the wrongful/questionable war in Viet Nam, and the trauma of coming to grips with government corruption and military lies, that we were over this shit in an Information Age.

Silly me.

The creeps who were behind this stuff, or young people supporting it -- are those in power now. What have we been up to in the mean time?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:19 PM
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16. At the point, the Iraqis would be much better off
if we just leave. Bush just loves killing people. He can't get enough.

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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:25 PM
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17. I guess it's a good time for more bombs to deflect Monday's
Ohio election bombs. Won't work this time. I hope.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:51 PM
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18. liberated again
bah
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:05 PM
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19. There is not enough infantry to control Iraqi cities.
Bombing will simply move the battlefield.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:12 PM
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20. ....just like that old balloon, 'ya squeeze it in one place and it gets
bigger in another place.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:47 PM
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23. True. I heard on Air America Radio about 1 week ago,
A Time Magazine Baghdad correspondent on the Morning Sedition (sorry, don't remember his name).

He said that most of the Fallujah population had fled before the US bombed the city (this was the previous strike). He said that the insurgents cleared out pretty quickly. They knew long before what the US was going to do. They simply regrouped in another city. They left behind their suicide fighters. Lots of casualties.

Meanwhile, the insurgents are somewhere else.

A lot of good that did.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:11 PM
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24. What the hell?
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 11:16 PM by DireStrike
Now our troops aren't THIS bad/lazy. If air strikes are being called down, it must be because there's a buttload of resistance. Right?

Either they're being wasteful and careless about civilian lives, or they're facing heavy resistance in a "pacified" city. I could believe either at this point, but neither is good.

Edit: Oh, not enough troops. Makes sense.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 11:53 PM
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25. 11:53 okay on this I have to go to bed
Nothing nothing is real nothing is the truth.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:21 AM
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26. actually I saw an article -- 60% of the city controlled by Iraqis
even after all the carnage by the U.S.

It was an arab-based news source, and it was posted on DU.

It gave a very different picture than what the US is giving, although now it appears the US may have to admit it still hasn't "freed" the city. :eyes:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:10 AM
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28. I thought Fallujah was secured? Bushco Lie?????
The most bodacious group of lying men I've ever seen. And it goes unquestioned.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:15 AM
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29. Oh I see.
Wait until what is left of the civilian population comes BACK and then do some more air strikes.

Hell at this rate Fallujah will just be a ghost town.

Next: Mosul!
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:22 AM
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31. "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED," shrieked the prep school pussy...
...as soon as there's no one left alive to care.

:grr: :cry:
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:01 AM
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38. "Napalm strikes called on bullet-dodging tabbies"
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