Kerry Lawyer Asks for Visual Inspection of Some Ohio Ballots

[KaliTracy]

AP Ohio News Now
COLUMBUS, Ohio --

"Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.


The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend."

<snip>

"Other requests include the use of independent experts to check the programming and calibration of the election equipment, something McTigue said has never been allowed.

McTigue also asked that counties accept the help of a group called Votewatch to determine which precincts will be chosen for that part of the vote that will be counted by hand. McTigue said using the group will ensure that the ballots are selected using a valid random sampling method."

more : http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

[New Earth]

1. w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's gonna be one crazy week...

[truthisfreedom]

2. nice.

merry Christmas, everybody!

[Catherine Vincent]

3. Alright Kerry!

[femme.democratique]

4. Rate the story a 5 on yahoo.....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041213/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_recount&cid=536&ncid=536

[New Earth]

11. keep rating it

it's going down :(

[Zhade]

20. It's getting freeped.

You have given the news article Kerry Lawyer Seeks Ohio Ballot Inspection a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 2.93 with 687 vote(s).

[annabanana]

38. done, kick..........................n/t

[proudbluestater]

39. Why does AP always release an article of substance at NIGHT?

Why not let these freaking articles see the light of day? By the time any normal person is awake, this will be off the headlines.

I did not care for the tone of the election official quoted in the article one bit. "Mr. McTigue may not dictate the terms of the recount." Not once did he dictate, mostly he asked politely when he should have been DEMANDING.

I want to see these obstuctionists in Ohio arrested, put in the slammer, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Why is it that only Democrats get arrested in this New America?


Avg Rating: 2.93, 951 votes - Your Rating: 5

[WarNoMore]

5. Way to go, Kerry.

I've been to afraid to get excited, but sure looks like one hell of a week coming up.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Way to go!

Looks like he's hitting all the important points. Especially the part about inspecting the machines. I can't wait to see Blackwell try to weasel out of this one.

[maryallen]

7. Better late than never ...

[barb162]

57. I wonder why Kerry's team waited this long; what was wrong with

early November instead of a few days before the electoral college votes.

[AirAmFan]

8. Article does not mention any strategy to estimate Kerry votes shifted to

to minor candidates--and to George Bush--in polling places where several precincts voted together, and people may have used the wrong machines. The basic procedure for voting in crowded urban polling places sounds like a recipe for chaos and foreseeable miscounting of tens or hundreds of thousands of votes:

From http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1102674912293811.xml

"Friday, December 10, 2004

"The stage for the mix-ups was set by a state law that requires candidates' names be rotated on ballots so that each candidate gets a turn at the top position. The rotation is done in the name of fair play, a nod to conventional wisdom that undecided voters tend to choose the name at the top.

In Cuyahoga County, where punch-card voting machines are used, the names are rotated on the pages in voting books that guide voters to the proper position on the punch cards. There were five versions of the page for the presidential candidates.

The first version lists the candidates' names alphabetically... In each subsequent version, the candidate at the top of the list moves to the bottom, bumping the rest up one notch. VOTERS FROM MULTIPLE PRECINCTS TYPICALLY SHARE A POLLING PLACE. Candidates' names in voting books are rotated by precinct, so there are different versions at the same polling place.

Voters are supposed to use polling booths, and the voting books in them, that are specific to their precinct, not just any booth in the polling place. The problem comes when a punch-card ballot for one precinct is inserted in the voting device for another precinct. Because of the name rotation, a voter unknowingly punches a hole for the wrong candidate.

THE PUNCH CARDS THAT VOTERS SLIDE INTO THE DEVICE ARE THE SAME, BUT THEIR BACKS ARE STAMPED WITH THE PRECINCT SO THEY WILL BE COUNTED PROPERLY."

[henslee]

9. JK turns the boat back around. Yayah!!!! Blackwell runs for cover.

[driver8]

12. Get that sumbitch, John!! n/t

[goclark]

10. Let's Roll!

[SpiralHawk]

13. "Mission Accomplished !"

Oh, wait, I just remembered that somebody really stupid and arrogant said that. I wonder who?

How about "Mission Restore Honest Voting Underway!"

[bettyellen]

14. Well, that's the best news I've heard in a while!

[goclark]

15. Tomorrow, tomorrow

is only a day away!

Oh, dear Lord I am on my knees in prayer.

[bettyellen]

16. yeah, i'm looking forward to buying the paper!

[delhurgo]

17. Uh...are people here thinking the election is gonna be overturned

or something, because that's not gonna happen. Kerry's sort of just going through the motions because he promised everybody that "all the votes would be counted". I dunno, maybe I'm missing the reason people are getting excited about this. It wasn't close enough in Ohio anyhow; it was closer in Pennsylvania, from what I heard. Bush is going to be President for the next four years, unfortunately. It just seems irrational to think otherwise.

[LosinIt]

18. Gee, Thanks, we didn't know that

thanks so much for pointing that out.

[New Earth]

19. you remind me of a

[delhurgo]

28. lol, i like that.

I guess that makes you Gizmo then.

[Skittles]

21. we are not f***ing idiots

we are not freepers

[fearnobush]

24. Yes, how can we "spread freedom" if we cannot be sure our own

elections are fair? And why do we criticize those who see electoral freedom. The voting act etc. The US Constitution. All mean nothing without the proof that our electoral process is not hacked.

[KaliTracy]

25. and we have no business telling other countries how to vote

if we can't trust our own process

[delhurgo]

27. No, of course you're not.

A freeper would swear and say, "We're not f***ing DUmmies".

[Skittles]

29. I don't give a flying f*** what freepers think

I just don't like to be viewed as f***ing ignorant as they are

[delhurgo]

30. Lets see how many times we can say "f**k".

Maybe Michael Powell will have a heart attack.

[Skittles]

31. f*** Michael Powell

what an asshole he is

[delhurgo]

33. That's good.

I don't think asshole is one of the seven dirty words though. Let's see: piss, shit, cunt, fuck, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits. Nope, it's not.

Are you amazed that I still know that whole routine? I learned that when I was about 10 years old, and I've never forgot. I use to crack people up saying that. Ah, the good old days. :-)

[Occulus]

71. ok, THAT gave me a chuckle.

Thanks, I needed that. :)

[DemOperative]

63. He's not an asshole

he's an ASSHAT
Let's keep our terminology straught inregards to the FCC godammit.

[Ferretherder]

43. OK, I'll do my best.

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[BrutalEntropy]

65. Wow

Fuck man, that was a lot of fucks...

[LiberalFighter]

47. Problem is that he doesn't have a heart

[henslee]

22. No, we just want a-holes to realize that fixing elections in any way, even

just forging one vote --- has serious consequences and WILL PUT THEM IN JAIL FOR A LONG TIME. If this is achieved, I will be happy. This is about our grandchildren's country. It is about counting the votes. It is about the freedoms that millions have died fighting for.

[delhurgo]

26. "WILL PUT THEM IN JAIL FOR A LONG TIME..."

People going to jail over this? That would be reason for the election to be overturned. I think that is extreeemely unlikely. Don't get your hopes up.

[henslee]

32. Didnt actually say they'd would go to jail this time... (but it is pos)...

but the severity of how its dealt with this time will surely put the idea in peoples minds next time they have the notion...

[delhurgo]

34. That would be worthwhile.

I just don't think anything 'big' is going to come out of this. Even if there was some kind of shenanigans that went on, I doubt Kerry or the DNC will push things very far - they would start the 'Sore-Loserman' thing all over again. There would have to be rock solid evidence of something or the American people wouldn't buy it, and it would probably backfire and hurt the democratic party for the future. We'll see though.

[henslee]

35. How much more could the Dem. party be hurt than it is now? Would hurt

a lot more not to make sure every vote counts and that irregularites are investigated to the fullest. Its the American way... and its not about JK and the DNC. It is way past them... thats the beautiful thing.

And JK just has to be supportive... not necessarily lead. Theer are plenty of affidavits, lawsuits, eyewittnesses, mathmatical anomalies to keep this thing going. Factor in the Ukraine factor... The world wants this investigated. This is not going away. b

[kimchi]

60. No--soldiers go to jail for scrounging but not for torture;

and voters go to jail for forging names. But committing election fraud on a vast scale only gets you into the White House.

Priorities, people. Corporations and organizations first, people last in this administration.

[ChicanoPwr]

44. Message I received from Kip Humphery 1 of 2

BACKGROUND to this Call to Action
« on: Today at 1:52am »

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On December 7, I sent an email to John Kerry telling him about our uprising and that we needed a leader and some direction, and asking him if he could supply either on December 12th.

On December 12th, as we protested, John Kerry sent a letter to the 88 Ohio election commissions indicating that the 200,000+ more votes that an obscure Ohio Supreme Court judge received more than Kerry were actually Kerry votes that were misread by the scanners. (with 200,000 additional votes, Kerry wins Ohio by 70,000 votes).

Additionally, on 12/12, John Kerry asked county elections officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday
night.

It our turn to act!

Don't give Blackwell a chance to respond. We have to hit them with everything we got!

[ChiciB1]

72. I'm With You Kip

Already on your list and any other list that I can sign up to so they know we're still here. Not going away!!

Have you seen the Stop Shrub Post???

[ChiciB1]

73. No Matter The Outcome...

We are still making noise and I think the message has been a constant one. Since we only have a rumor mill intertwined with frequent updates, links and all the other stuff, I see it growing more each day.

But we're SCATTERED! Cohesion is sorely NEEDED!! I know I've joined more than my share of groups and can hardly keep up with who, what, when and where.

Meanwhile, some DUers are blasting Kerry, some are thinking we need to move to the middle and we have suggestions running rampant. What we don't know, we don't know! Let's give it more time, but let's try to "herd" everything together better. I'm still standing behind Kerry and still not ready to throw in the towel. Let's hang together as DEMOCRATS and support our Party. Even if the Congressmen and Senators don't seem to be doing anything.

It's "We The People!" That's about the hundredth time I've said that!

[SammyWinstonJack]

51. Where's that rain cloud smilie?

Why did you feel the need to rain on everyones' parade? :shrug:

[fearnobush]

23. This is all over the 2004 election forum. See link below

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=146067&mesg_id=146067>

[nashville_brook]

36. wow, hard to believe.

[laylah]

37. 3:55 am CST...

2.93 with 933 votes on Yahoo story. What never ceases to amaze me is that the freeps don't care that they cheat at most everything they do. To them, freeping this story about yet another probable theft of our votes,is their "American way". Who cares how they "won", as long as they did (in their shallow little minds). I just don't get it.

Jenn

[klyon]

40. Well,they believe anything is OK if it is for the cause,

even murder.

KL

[alaintex]

50. Who got murdered?

Did I miss something?

[henslee]

41. keeping it kicked. Man, I had an awesome homemade jelly donut this a.m...

yawn. Along with a fresh coffee. I am wired for the Conyers hearing. This ought to be a week of manuevering and bombshells.

[StaggerLee]

42. I'm going to keep it locked on DU all day

Let's keep fighting the good fight.

[ChicanoPwr]

45. Message I received from Kip Humphery 2 of 2 : CALL FOR ACTION

"I am calling a national call for action: Its time to shine! I need your help. We need protesters to picket the 88 COUNTY ELECTION COMMISSION offices in Ohio daily demanding the release of all voting records and machines and full compliance with the manual recount. To do that I need the following: - Location addresses and directions to every one of the 88 Ohio election commission offices - post it here -Every email address in Ohio to receive: emails: *Describing the problems with voting in Ohio *Describing the threat to our democracy *Explaining there is a citizens movement to stop the theft of our rights and votes *Calling to action the citizens of Ohio to take back their voting power with the first action being daily, picketing of the 88 election commission offices to stop resisting and start assisting the recount and the fraud investigators. -Good concise email composers/writers to compose the emails to Ohio - post compositions in this forum. -Everyone who knows anyone in Ohio or knows someone who knows someone in Ohio, tart a email chain - ask the Ohioans to get in the picket line and spread the word to neighbors, co-workers, family, friends; ask them to get in the picket line and spread the word.... THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW! -Start posting your availability and resources in this forum. Let's get coordinated and get going: THIS NATIONAL CALL TO ACTION NEEDS TO GO OUT ACROSS THE NET NOW: -EVERYONE: SEND OUT THE FOLLOWING NATIONAL CALL TO ACTION TO EVERY ACTIVIST ORGANIZATION YOU THINK WILL RESPOND POSITIVELY: EMERGENCY NATIONAL CALL TO ACTION PICKET ALL 88 ELECTION COMMISSION OFFICES DAILY DEMANDING THEY STOP RESISTING AND START ASSISTING THE RECOUNT AND FRAUD INVESTIGATIONS NOW. CONTACT ALL OHIO RESIDENTS: ADVISE THEM OF THE SITUATION, CALL THEM TO THE PICKET LINE, AND ASK THEM TO SPREAD THE WORD. ANYONE WHO CAN, GET TO OHIO AND START PICKETING. Please help. Kip Humphrey 51 CAPITAL MARCH"

[Poppyseedman]

46. Why, Why, Why???

Kerry's campaign supports the recount but says it won't change the election outcome. Bush's campaign has criticized the recount effort, saying it won't change anything.

Why is Kerry so passive about this thing and why is Bush so afraid of?

[JoAnnSimon]

64. Why, Why, Why?

My guess is that Kerry's playing the recount down to pacify the Bush attack dogs and keep them out of Ohio. (Remember the mob scene in Florida in 2000?) I'm sure Kerry hasn't forgotten. If he's downplaying the recount because he really believes he lost, then he needs a kick in the pants.

[LiberalFighter]

48. What percentage of voters DON'T vote for president?

Anyone have figures?

Would there be a difference from state to state?

It would seem like it would be very low since more people are likely to vote ONLY in presidential elections with the express purpose of voting for president.

[AzDar]

49. kick!!

[Lizzie Borden]

52. kick

Keep it Going!:kick: :kick: :kick:

[RaleighNCDUer]

53. Has anybody noticed that all the refs to ratings on the Yahoo story

show it at 2.93, no matter how many votes there are? When I just checked it was over 1000 votes, at 2.93 rating.

I hate strange coincidences. They make my tinfoil hat warm.

[goclark]

54. What's happening this morning with Conyers?

[leftinbluestate]

55. Visual inspection

This could do it, right?


If these votes are counted, it will give the EC votes to Kerry and the rest will be history.


I've been watching this whole thing with disbelief---could a miracle REALLY be happening?

[Igel]

59. No.

He "asked" to have his folk see the uncounted ballots. It could be grounds for a lawsuit, or buck up their determination. But having his observers count those ballots is not a recount and will not effect the outcome in and of itself. He could have his request turned down (in which case off to court he could go); most likely, they'll say "sure, after the recount, and if you pay for it."

[lonestarnot]

56. Excellent!

Want to hear more!!!!!

[GoSolar]

58. Go Kerry!

Kick! :kick:

[Botany]

61. Watch the repugs scurry! Their lap dogs in the media are giving 'em cove

Geene County, Ohio ....... nothing to see here move along
Shelby County, Ohio ........ Nothing to see her move along
Franklin County, Ohio ....... " "
Warren County, Ohio ........ " '
Trumbull County, Ohio ......... " "
Perry County, Ohio ............... " "
Butler County, Ohio ............. " "
Delaware County, Ohio ............. " "
Sandusky County, Ohio ........... " "
Pickaway County, Ohio ................ " "
Cuyahoga County, Ohio ............... " "
Miami County, Ohio .................... " "
Mercer County, Ohio ...................... " "
Montgomery County, Ohio ............... " "
Stark County, Ohio ........................ " "

The repugs are trying to hide a dead horse in the basement. They know that sooner
or later the stink will get out so they want to run out the clock before the smell gets
too bad.

Election fraud was not limited to Ohio. We have to fight. If their is nothing to hide
then they should welcome an open look into the election.

:kick: :tinfoilhat:

[Fiendish Thingy]

62. Avg Rating: 2.93, 1251 votes - Your Rating: 5 n/t

[tommie_kicks]

67. Done. 1455 vote (BUT STILL ONLY SHOWS 2.93 AVG)

You have given the news article Kerry Lawyer Seeks Ohio Ballot Inspection a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 2.93 with 1455 vote(s).
:KICK:

[kostya]

66. This part is the real key. I predict, however, it will never happen

"Other requests include the use of independent experts to check the programming and calibration of the election equipment, something McTigue said has never been allowed.

- K

[Merlot]

68. How can anyone justify this?

Independent experts have never checked the programing, it's "not allowed." Open and fair elections? How can programing be legitimate without independant experts checking it?

[elshiva]

69. Go, JK, go

Even if it doesn't make a difference, just do it out of your own gentle nobility, "you gorgeous preppy"

God bless you and all the recounters.

[morffin]

70. Clinton Curtis video

http://bradblogtoo.blogspot.com/2004/12/video-online-of-clint-curtis-testimony.html

[ChiciB1]

74. WOW!!

That's some Video. Sending it right out to all MY friends!

[Person_Of_Interest]

75. I LOVE KERRY!!!!!

:) :-) O8) :7 :9 :hippie: :P :D :toast: :o :bounce: ;) :hi: :thumbsup: :loveya: :headbang: :yourock: :kick: :kick:

[alaintex]

76. Every vote should count!

In a late decision today, the Washington state Supreme Court unanimously rejected a lawsuit from Democrats to review previously rejected ballots in the race for governor. The justices agreed that state law defines recount as only the retabulation of already-approved ballots and does not give any opportunity to review those rejected.

What good does it do to only count the already-approved ballots, the rejected ballots are the ones that can make the difference!