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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:29 PM Original message |
French Find New Ban on Religious Symbols Cuts Both Ways |
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Maple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I understand what |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Then help me understand.... |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. France is a secular society by law. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 06:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
64. Sez it all here. |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 07:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
68. They are trying to discriminate against Muslims |
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dolo amber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
108. The way I understood it |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #108 |
165. If you follow the rest of the thread |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Let them eat their candy crosses at home |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Well....can't the original law just be wrong? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. That''s EXACTLY what I am for. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So you want to get rid of the First Amendment....or at least |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Nope.. I do not support the govt meddling in religion |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. But what about the government meddling in the "free exercise" ... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Sorry.. no more verbal "leapfrog" |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. And geez, I thought it was a conversation.....where two people learn. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. I really don't care if its innocous or not..... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Agreed, Rinsd |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. There is in FL. No bandanas. Not religious, secular, but a clothing |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 07:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. I wouldn't be so sure about that |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 07:30 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. But France has more problems than the areas you mention. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:29 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. But isn't it sad that what you imply is that religious diversity.... |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:32 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. You made a blanket statement |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:43 AM Response to Reply #67 |
93. Your kids go to a private school? That's the point kind of. |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. No Typical German public school. nt |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #67 |
100. I bet your kids school doesn't ban Muslim girls from wearing scarves. eom |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. No it doesn't |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Excellent. Sounds inclusive not exclusive. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 06:42 AM Response to Reply #31 |
65. Agreed. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. "the body of chirst" - "the body of christ" - "the body of christ" |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
79. Ummm...this is FRANCE, everybody |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:53 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. But most posters on this thread are expressing their wishes for the |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. If you say so... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Ummm....again..... |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:46 AM Response to Reply #86 |
96. Ummmmm....right.... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I was responding to his statement that ... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's what they get for |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:15 PM Original message |
quite the contrary |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. Eating a cross? or St Nicholas? |
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CornField (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. Uhmm.."Islamic head scarves, Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses" |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Visibility |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. So, in essence |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
6. This here is just too stupid to comment on! |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's the whole point of being a secular country. |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. The US is not a secular country is it? |
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Flagg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You got that right. |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. In God We Trust |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. In Elvis We Trust. n/t |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
35. "...one nation, under God..." |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Well, yes Virginia, it is. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 10:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. technically yes, we just don't always enforce the rules. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. This is directed at private citizens..... |
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Ms_Mary (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
97. Agreed. This cross I have around my neck right now |
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cattleman22 (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
136. Are you saying that a secular country strips religion away from people? |
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makhno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ah, a dig at the French and a boost to religious zealotry |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Or Opium according to the father of communism. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Marxism not that bastard child communism. (nt) |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. So you would amend the First Amendment? n/t |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #16 |
81. The French do not have a First Amendment... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:54 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. And, as I said in post #82.... |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. And like I said, if you say so, Bub. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. If the government is to be truly separated from the "church" |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. You expressed yourself better that I could on this. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Excellent post (nt) |
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makhno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. From a libertarian point of view, perhaps |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Since we are specifically talking about religion here |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 07:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
69. So religion is like pedophilia |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:31 AM Response to Reply #48 |
73. The brush you wield is waaay too broad, IMO. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
121. Blind adherence is blind adherence.... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 09:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
54. Hard to believe the Founders were influenced by the French |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. and the problem with banning all religious symbols is? does |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
23. If Jesus can appear on a grilled cheese, then why not French toast? n/t |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. err, isn't that freedom toast? n/t |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
30. Excellent! What's good for one is good for the next. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Or what's bad for one is bad for the next... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
37. France's constitution does not guarantee free speech |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. pardon? |
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Flagg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. No hate speech is not allowed because France has a history |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
162. Free speech, by my definition, includes hate speech |
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Mr. Sinister (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
42. I guess bindis are out too |
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Niccolo_Macchiavelli (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
44. what makes you so upset? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Okay |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. and never wear all black during the Inquisition. n/t |
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Niccolo_Macchiavelli (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. well |
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Ms_Mary (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:01 AM Response to Reply #53 |
101. Wrong. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
118. If you ban religion, how could those clowns that lead the flocks of sheep |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. OOOH, that's an interesting philosophical topic! |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
156. Interesting take.... |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. in fact, you must say the same thing about gov't |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:46 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. French schools make French citizens |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 07:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
71. and U.S. schooling fabricates U. S. citizens |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
135. Maybe growing individuals might be more constructive. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:34 AM Response to Reply #44 |
75. The only problem you have if you try that in the USA, is that pesky... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #75 |
119. At least the 1st allows us freedom FROM religion too. n/t |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Well, let's take a look at the First Amendment..... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
166. In some ways, the USA is still ahead. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
49. I think it's about trying not to have a divisive atmosphere |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 03:07 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Should it be the public schools goal |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
76. So it seems to me, that you are against diversity.... |
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m0nkeyneck (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. before passing judgment... |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
52. The law is not wrong just because such a joke happened in a... |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 05:26 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. The law is right. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 06:13 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. The "Land of the Free" isn't. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:45 AM Response to Reply #61 |
78. Yes, I have no problem with oppression of personal freedoms.... |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 06:18 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Just who are you talking about? |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #63 |
80. I see them in the pedestrian zones of every large city. |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:16 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. So have I |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:44 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Haven't seen the Africans on the Zeil but everytime I'm there |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #94 |
99. That's amazing |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:04 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. No, I'm not wanting to talk crap about Americans. |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. "And suppose that they've been infected by Americans." |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #105 |
109. That has nothing to do with prejudice but with experience *sigh* |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #109 |
113. Well it started with this: |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 11:32 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. But I am worrying about mine. That's one of the reasons why yours |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #116 |
157. Was that supposed to be |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. If you prefer to think so. |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. I call B.S. when I see it |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 08:43 AM Response to Reply #60 |
77. Isn't a sidewalk a public place as well? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
133. "I am obsessed about my own personal freedom. " |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. I would be honored, Rinsd. n/t |
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ArthurDent (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:04 AM Response to Reply #60 |
102. The law bans Orthodox Jews, religious Muslims, and ohers... |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
62. There was another alternative they didn't think of: |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
66. Ideologically, I'd fit in well with the French |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
87. I really do not think we have to worry about the French of all people *g* |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. But you never address (in this post) the distinction between the state |
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termo (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:34 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. another personal freedom issue |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:41 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. So lets bring this back to the USA for a second.... |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #92 |
106. But you CAN wear a religious symbol in public in France. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:15 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Ummm...I realize that. |
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termo (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 10:16 AM Response to Reply #92 |
111. peace of cake |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #87 |
112. Heh heh, funny you should mention peyote.... |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 11:22 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. I liked your post very much but I truly see no double standard here. |
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termo (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. there is one big double standard |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Really? Sounds strange. I have to read up on this. |
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termo (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. strange historic double standard. |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Thank you! |
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termo (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. you are welcome |
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neweurope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #124 |
140. No, I'm not sure I've been through there. |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #114 |
123. Same problem here in the US... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:34 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. A German having faith in the French. (and vice versa) ... |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Hey tx_dem41 !! |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Yes....by "the government".... |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:47 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Know anything about "the wall of separation"?? |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Yes, I know about the wall of separation.... |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #130 |
137. Google it yourself. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. I am assuming you mean Santa Fe ISD vs. Doe...lets see what they said... |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:07 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. No, this... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. I don't believe you read that correctly....from an FSU Law school site... |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. What does this say? |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Okay I got it.... |
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RuleofLaw (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
90. Please educate yourself before you post |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
131. Article 9 is worthless.... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Wow...clause 2 in Article 9 is a real killer... |
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cattleman22 (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. You are right, article 2 is a strange concept |
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RuleofLaw (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. No it does not |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. It still leaves loopholes you can drive a mack truck through... |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #143 |
154. That's the thing about government.... |
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Niccolo_Macchiavelli (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #138 |
148. yeah its hard when one can't air ones view 24/7 |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. If what you say was SC precedent, why would the following FSU law |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. "yeah its hard when one can't air ones view 24/7" |
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Niccolo_Macchiavelli (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #152 |
163. lets see if i can put this in english (still nnew) |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. I don't think you're a freeper..... |
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Niccolo_Macchiavelli (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. i'll try to bring my point across witha metaphor then |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #164 |
168. I don't think it's "anti-religion" as much as it's |
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cattleman22 (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. Freedoms end when the rights of others are violated. |
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RuleofLaw (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #131 |
145. For your information |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. So you cherrypick one aspect? |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
142. WHAT IS OUR FRENCH REALITY ABOUT THIS ISSUE ?? Quick responses : |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #142 |
155. I don't think its an awful freedom killer. |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. We live very very well like that for two hundred years |
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