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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:44 AM
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Bush wants Lieberman for position in Cabinet
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 12:46 AM by damkira
WASHINGTON — President Bush is courting Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, D-Conn., a former Democratic vice presidential candidate, for a Cabinet post, presumably secretary of homeland security.

Lieberman couldn’t be reached for com-ment Sunday, but an aide said that if Lieberman were asked to accept a nomination, it would most likely be the homeland security post.

The Washington Post, citing two anony-mous sources, reported Sunday that Bush wants Lieberman for a Cabinet position.

With former New York police Commissioner Bernard Kerik’s unceremonious withdrawal Friday from consideration as the nation’s next secretary of homeland security, Lieberman’s name has popped up again among a half-dozen others as a candidate for the post.

http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13542816&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=517515&rfi=6

On Edit: I don't know what's up with all the hyphens in this story, as my journalism professor would say, "That's not AP style, people!"
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:46 AM
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1. Kinda torn here.
One side says yay that Lieberman is gone to the dark side where he belongs. The other side says having a Democrat in charge of Homeland Security is a very bad idea.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:13 AM
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15. OMG! Imagine if he accepts and has an attack on his watch.
We'd never hear the end of it. My guess is that they're setting that sorry motherfucker up for something bad.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:37 AM
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67. and Joementum is just the stooge they need....
NT
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Traction Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:00 AM
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30. Why would it be a bad idea?
I'd much rather have a Dem in charge than a Repub. You wouldn't?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #30
38. See response #15.
eom
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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:16 AM
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48. It adds one more Republican Senator.
The Governor of Connecticut is a republican.

Few republicans can win statewide in CT, but give one two years as an incumbent before (s)he has to run? They might have a shot.
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GHOSTDANCER Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:52 PM
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89. Let em have em.. Lieberman's useless... Repuke in sheeps clothing.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:47 AM
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2. We always knew......there was "something" about Lieberman. Bush
paying him off for Florida 2000?
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:48 AM
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3. Lieberman is a perfect choice for Bush
A Likudnik DINO who will make a handy whipping boy if there's another "terrist" attack.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:10 AM
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13. I think that is the perfect reason why:
Joe is spineless and wouldn't fight back if * made him into a whipping boy!
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KenCarson Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:45 PM
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86. what's a DINO?
...
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:08 PM
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91. "Democrat In Name Only"
:)
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:49 AM
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4. is Lieberman's seat a safe one for the Democrats? n/t
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:11 AM
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14. I sure hope so. Lieberman is a turncoat, storm-trooper bootlicking MF.
I hate that bastard. He has done so much damage to the Democratic party.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:16 AM
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17. I largely agree
But it's better to have him in the Senate than a real Republican.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:20 AM
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62. Lieberman has a more LIBERAL voting record than John Edwards
That must make John Edwards an even worse "a turncoat, storm-trooper bootlicking MF," right? :shrug:
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:37 AM
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66. Americans for Democratic Action - Edwards more liberal than Lieberman
Lifetime rating:

Sen. John Kerry             92
Rep. Dennis Kucinich    86
Sen. John Edwards        85
Sen. Joseph Lieberman  78
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:50 AM
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70. Yet Lieberman has a more Liberal record in 2003
Lieberman 70%

Edwards 65%

http://www.adaction.org/2003senatevr.htm

Perhaps Edwards was just running to the right so that he would do better in the Democratic primary?
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:28 PM
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75. I think that that is due to the fact that Edwards had to miss
a lot of Senate votes while campaigning for Pres. and Vice Pres.

I realize that Lieberman campaigned for Pres. also, but I don't think that he missed as many votes as Edwards.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:20 AM
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26. NO! CT has a Republican Governor
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:31 AM
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36. But there would have to be an election in 2006
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 05:31 AM by tritsofme
Since that's when Joe's term is over.

Its doubtful that the GOP appointee would hold the seat in a state like CT.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:18 AM
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41. Wrong.
There is no upside to Lieberman taking this position. Whatever else he is, he's pro-choice and decent on the environment. I'm no Joe fan- amoung other things he's got this Uriah Heep cast to his personality- but it's far better to have him in the Senate casting mainly dem votes than at Homeland Security, where if anything happens, democrats get blamed by proxy. And I'm paranoid enough to think rethugs aren't above making something happen. What's more, what if Rell appoints Chris Shays? He's pretty popular in CT and could possibly get re-elected. It's difficult to turn a sitting Senator out. Look at Lisa Murkowski in Alaska. Lieberman leaving the Senate for HS is a lose lose proposition.
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Tuttle Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:46 AM
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43. All good points, Cali:
the *only* upside would be Fairfield County (or District 4) would lose the congressional seat, which Shays had to fight for pretty hard this time around... I doubt the Repukes could hold it without someone like Shays: District 4 is very liberal, even in the moneyed suburbs - they went strongly for Kerry. Who Rell might appoint there is an interesting chess match... should Lieberman go to the dark side, I expect Shays will go to the Senate and Blumenthal will get his challenge bid ready for 2006, refocusing from challenging Rell to going against Shays. I believe Mann Coulter once claimed she wanted to unseat Shays for being too 'moderate' - if only she were still around, perhaps Rell would appoint her.

No matter what happens, the CT Dems will goof it up - congrats on your pending 1000th post, as well.

Tut-tut
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Osamasux Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #41
58. Things could be worse.
Sometimes I think that Chris Shays is a more legitimate Democrat than Lieberman. Shays is one of the only House members who consistently votes his conscious, not the party line. Shays is one of the few who refused to sanction the Tom DeLay's "Get Out Of Jail Free Card." He pretty much tore the House leadership a new one over it.

Don't misunderstand, no way I want to see any Republican in that seat, period. But if it comes down to it, I'd much rather see a Susan Collins than a Rick Santorum.

Points out that we need to win more state houses.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #41
87. Agreed! We can't lose a Senate seat right now!
And the Homeland Security position is pointless, imo.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:50 AM
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5. Homeland Security can't be all that bad if even a Democrat
becomes its Secretary... Clever move.
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:57 PM
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95. Homeland Security is an under-funded ruse like no child left behind.
It would be a clever move for Joe Lieberman to tell Bu$hitler no thanks.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:50 AM
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6. Okay, all together now...
Senator Joseph Lieberman is a Democratic senator from a state that has a Republican governor.

Bush would not bring a Democratic senator into his cabinet unless he knew the end result would be a Republican senator in his place. I expect Bush to try to appoint five such Democrats to posts in his administration. (No! Bush wouldn't attempt to manufacture a filibuster-proof majority, now would he?)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:55 AM
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8. Maybe this CT (R) Governor is having some house work done as we speak.
This one is a no-brainier, we want Lieberman to turn down the job, you are soooo right. But you know, after he ruined the stock market, the retirements of millions of Americans, and the general business climate courting his accountant donors, he needs a pretty big entity to screw up: hey, how about the whole damn country. Joe, we know you can do it!
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lgardengate Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:01 AM
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9. You mean Bush is that Sly?
But isn't he to stupid to figure that out? <sarcasim off>

Bush would be dumb if he Didn't think like that.If i were him i would!
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #6
23. DAMN....You are on to something!...Good eye PI!
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:51 AM
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Lieberman will feel right at home
amongst the neocons.:freak:
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:51 AM
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7. Ain't gonna happen.
Bush made sure that civil service rules didn't apply to homeland security so he could pack it with patronage. He isn't going to appoint anyone by a regular republican over the second biggest department and biggest source of patronage.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:03 AM
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10. If I were Leiberman
I wouldn't touch that with a 12 foot pole.

But then, I'm a Democrat.

Seriously, ANY thing that happens with regard to "homeland security" (God I hate that phrase, could we possibly invoke Hitler Germany MORE???) will be FULLY blamed on Lieberman.
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livinbella Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:06 AM
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12. he is a Bastard: he wants it bad
fuck you, Lieberscum
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:05 AM
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11. Oh gag, Bush will go on and on about how partisan that is
blechhh. Lieberman=DINO.
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Rapcw Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:16 AM
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16. Lieberman = republican
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 01:16 AM by Rapcw




BTW, what does DINO mean? I have heard it a lot but I am not sure what it means. Thanks.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. DINO means
Democrat In Name Only
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #11
63. Yet Lieberman has a more LIBERAL voting record than John Edwards
That must mean that Edwards is a super-DINO, right? :shrug:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:28 AM
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19. Just Say No, Joe! (eom)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:31 AM
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20. Liberman the Republican and Democrat Benedict Arnold
I can't believe the Democratic Party had him as Vice President to Gore

this is such a ONE PARTY political system this just shows it!!!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:34 AM
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21. Gore chose him, not the democratic party
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:50 AM
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22. Joe better not take that job...he'll regret it....
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:24 AM
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60. it is not a matter of if but when--Joe is there appointed scapegoat
should another terrorist attack occur during *'s term.

Besides, if Joe really considered his constituency in CT, then he would decline the appointment. Senator's have broad sphere of influence, this is NOTHING like a promotion.

But, if Joe really has PERSONAL aspirations for being President, well, the spotlight is there for him to claim.

What will Po' Joe do?
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:02 AM
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24. Joe L is a very good environmentally-minded senator
I know a lot of people here despise him, and I have had my issues as well. But I would hate to lose his environmental vote in the Senate.

I hope he says no, because it seems clear to me that the Bushies would love to get him out of the Senate because he is a thorn in their side over global warming and other such issues.

I wouldn't mind if he were offered EPA, since Leavitt is moving on, but that's out of the question for the Bushies, I'm sure.

b_b
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #24
28. What a mainstream scapegoat!
now they can blame Democrats for another 9/11..
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:16 AM
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25. Hey Joe,
I hope you get a post ... rammed up your backside ... with splinters ...
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JMS825 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:33 AM
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27. Poor Liberman
Bush has an agenda by picking Liberman.....1)you pick Liberman then the republican governor appoints a republican to fill Liberman's seat in senate and 2) Whoever takes over homeland security has to fix Ridge mistakes and will have a hard time so if another attack comes it is no longer Bush and the RNC prob it is all Libermans fault and that will be another BS shot at the dems.........Bush made his bed now let him sleep in it
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:35 AM
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29. Lieberman is Bushlite
and has done nothing to change that. He can believe as he may. I thank him for his past party effort's but we don't need another Bushlite.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #29
64. Yet Leiberman has a more liberal voting record than John Edwards
Does that mean the Edwards is Bishliter, or just plain Bush?
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #64
71. You're spamming the board with this. What, exactly, is your point?
Just wonderin'
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. That there are Democrats who are more conservative the Lieberman
People really need to do a little research before jump to conclusions.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:39 PM
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76. It's one thing to debate how liberal one is as opposed to another.
It's quite another thing to (rightfully) bash the hell out of ANY democrat that would even consider affiliating themselves with the current administration.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:54 PM
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93. DU'ers can't handle the truth
The typical DU'er prefers to live in a fantasy world, where Lieberman is a right-wing Republican, rather than real world, where Lieberman is a liberal hawk in the mold of Henry "Scoop" Jackson, John F. Kennedy and Harry S Truman.

I suspect that most DU'ers, had they been around in 1948, would have voted for Henry Wallace instead of Truman, and would have favored nominating Hubert Humphrey or Adlai Stevenson instead of JFK.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #93
97. lieman is a
slimy repuke ass kisser and gungho Iraq bomber.. That's why I don't like him.
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Stay Open Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:05 AM
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31. Lieberman & Zell Miller
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 04:06 AM by Stay Open
This is Bush imagining himself as a "uniter". DREAM ON.

Or as Bush said after the Nov. election (I'm paraphrasing): I can work with ANYONE as long as he agrees with me.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:32 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. Agreed, and welcome to DU...
nt
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:14 AM
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32. Sly of chimp
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 04:14 AM by Piperay
cause then after the next attack (and one day there will be another one) the repukes will have another thing they can blame on the Democrats.
If Lieberman takes this he is even stupider and more repulsive than I ever thought! :mad: :puke:
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:39 AM
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34. Update: Lieberman Denies Bush Came Courting
WASHINGTON — With his name swirling as a top choice to head the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman’s spokeswoman denied Monday that he has been offered the job.

"Senator Lieberman has not received an offer, nor is he seeking one," said Leslie Phillips, a spokeswoman for the Connecticut Democrat.

Lieberman was in Louisiana Monday celebrating Hanukkah with family and was not available for comment on Sunday’s report in the Washington Post, citing unnamed sources, that President Bush was "courting" him for a Cabinet post, likely secretary of homeland security.

The report was accompanied by a chorus of calls from colleagues in Congress for Lieberman’s appointment, including U.S. Sens. John McCain R-Ariz., Susan Collins, R-Maine, Jon Corzine, D-N.J., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13548736&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=517515&rfi=6
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:32 AM
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42. Let's hope that Lieberman turns it down if asked .
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #42
65. I think that would require some sort of integrity...
something which Holy Joe seems to have less and less of every day.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:58 AM
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35. The wages of sucking up.
Joe may want to rethink trying to be Mr. Bipartisan.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:52 AM
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37. Lizard Lieberman - "I wanna be in the GOP!"
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:21 PM
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78. Too bad some of these Hip Artists can't do spins on some of their music
Could you imagine a Sheryl Crow doing " All I want be, is G - O - P"

(snip)
Sheryl Crow - All I Wanna Do Song Lyrics

Hit it!
This ain't no disco
It ain't no country club either
(snip)
http://www.lyrics007.com/Sheryl%20Crow%20Lyrics/All%20I%20Wanna%20Do%20Lyrics.html

Personal Message from Sheryl Crow 10/26/04

Hello everyone. I am finally coming out of "hiding" to address what I feel is happening in our country. I am filled with fear, anger, despair, most of all, sadness at how the American people have been manipulated throughout these last 3 1/2 years and especially during this election time. I am concerned that we are not demanding better for ourselves from the media, but particularly from our government and our party leaders.

Do we not deserve better than a campaign based on fear tactics and political smear campaigns? Do we not feel we are smart enough to be able to understand the information that we need, or are we going to continue to sleep through a very destructive nightmare ahead of us. Do we not feel we are strong enough to handle the truth.

I have never, at least in my recollection, come out and asked people to vote for a particular candidate but instead, have always encouraged folks to get registered, do the research on issues that are presented, and vote. I am, in this instance, emphatically asking you to support John Kerry for more reasons than I can count.

I don't believe in all my life, or in my 20 years of really being politically active, that I have seen such dark and manipulative campaign tactics. Let's take, for instance, the trial that took place in the media, paid for by the Swiftboat Organization, (openly supporters of Pres. Bush), as to whether John Kerry was where he said he was or did what he purports to have done in the Vietnam war. Something like this, 30 years after the fact, is not to be tried in the media to the advantage of a political party. It is well documented who this man was during and after this egregious war. Anyone who was around during the hearings to end the war would remember the incredibly emotional speech he gave before the Senate begging for an end to the war... A war where our own soldiers were simply left and ultimately ignored by our own government. A war very similar to the one we are engaged in now...based on ideologies against a people whose history, culture, and previous experience with foreign occupiers we cannot and don't begin to even try to understand. Read the history books. Even I remember riots taking place around this country as a nine year old in 1971 and how it ripped our country apart. And there was Kerry at the center, peacefully and with great integrity, with firsthand experience, and with articulate conviction, begging the Senate to please end this war that had already been declared lost by it's own Secretary of Defense MacNamara early on...making his plea on behalf of the youth of America who were sent to fight for their country only to return as a "disgrace." How can the Republican party run this kind of campaign against someone as brave as Kerry, or any other Vietnam soldier...or should I say, how could this Whitehouse allow it's own contributors, veterans themselves of the Vietnam war, to take such a lowdown tact as to undermine the credibility of one of it's own. How could the administration, one that is lead by someone who has not only never served in a war but managed to advantageously avoid it, defame such an important part of our history: this war that should be looked at and studied in relationship to the war we are in now.
(snip)
http://www.sherylcrow.com/news.asp?newsID=14518
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:26 PM
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83. This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around!
Thanks for the link. I can relate to Sheryl in many ways. Maybe I should listen to her music a bit more closely now.

I tried, over the last 3 years, to get my musician friends to do some politically cynical/protest music to no avail, but NOW folks are finally starting to pay attention. We're going to hold a jazz funeral for democracy here in New Orleans on inauguration day (check out the Louisiana State forum for updates - there's a planning meeting tonight). If you are in town, come join us!
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:56 AM
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39. Ah, Joe Liebermiller
don't let the door hit ya
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:17 PM
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81. They've both devolved-revolved-evolved
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:17 AM
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40. Administration just want Liberman's Senate seat. I hope he is not stupid
enough to fall for it. Our VP candidate in a Republican administration - sickening.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:50 AM
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44. He can Effin' HAVE him....But Joe needs to "Jump the Aisle" first.
Go ahead, Joe, you got PLENTY of that "Joe-mentum" to carry you deep into the bosom of the ReTHUG party, right?

"Joe-Momma".....
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:52 AM
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45. That Lieberman is even being considered shows how Bush was stung on Kerik

The Kerik Debacle has really hurt Bush. He is scrambling for a way to silence Democrats who are questioning the vetting process, the selection of Kerik and Bush's overall strategy. Even the suggestion he is considering a Democrat reveals just how much he is feeling the pain.


The Connecticut Governor - Jodie Rell would be up for election in 2006 if she decided to run. I wonder if Lieberman can get a commitment from her now to appoint a Democrat in his place -- and if she doesn't - whether this can be used against her in 2006.

Given that Bush is in a pickle over this appointment, perhaps he, Lieberman and Rell can strike a deal.


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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:48 AM
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52. Ha!
Maybe there aren't any Republicans left who could survive the vetting process. Seriously, Joe, don't do it!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:58 AM
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46. Great
He needs to be outed publicly.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:59 AM
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47. Liebermans Idea of HS is to destroy all enemies of Israel whether they are
OUR enemies or not.
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:33 AM
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49. No Democrat should serve in this administration's cabinet.
To accept a position in this administration is to ascribe a bit of legtimacy this administration does not deserve. It is tainted by lies that cost at least 1300 US soldiers lives and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives. It engaged in an illegal and immoral invasion of a sovereign nation that had never attacked or was not planning to attack the US. It befriends and protects numerous corporate crooks as they raided the retirement and pension funds of thousands of hard-working Americans. It has given huge tax cuts to the very wealthiest of the courntry who neither asked for or needed the cuts, thereby endangering our social security safety net for years to come. It is supported by some of the most intolerant, evil, scheming, lying men and women who pass themselves off as "Christians" in the name of a fake morality by which they smear and criticize Dems for doing the very things they do themselves.

If Liberaman takes this position I will never support him for anything.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:33 AM
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50. Great.
On planet sanity *, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rice would be in prison by now, but here in bizzaro world a prominent member of the "opposition" party wants to work with them. :puke:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:44 AM
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51. Perfect. Let the book burning begin! Joe did such a good job of
campaigning for Bush, he deserves a position.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:53 AM
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53. Lieberman has been waiting to get back at Gore since he endorsed Dean
in the primaries. What better way than to make nice with the guy who stole your VP position in 2000. Please go, and take Hadassah with you. Maybe you'll see the evil all up close and personal and come back and tell us all about it, Lieberdick Arnold.
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:59 AM
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55. I liked Lieberman
but accepting the post would be a betrayal, and thus he would lose my support and trust.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:08 AM
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59.  I did too, but he has become more Republican than Democrat for awhile
now. Also when he's surrounded by neo-cons and fundies he may live to regret his decision. Pro-Israel is one thing, neo-con is another.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:49 PM
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92. He has turned his back on Democrats.....
I really hope that the Dems of Ct. get a real Democrat to run against him in the primary so we don't have to deal with his ass anymore.
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Osamasux Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:58 AM
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54. The key is the Senate Seat.
Second is an appearance of reaching across the aisle.

Neither does us any good.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:02 AM
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56. Hate to have told you so again - he was running for a cabinet position
with the BFEE all along - I kept saying that through the primaries and meant it too (although hoped he miscalculated). Seems Palpatine had us once again!
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twenty2strings Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:02 AM
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57. The Mr. Whipple of the democratic party!
Please don't squeeze the party.:puke:
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:10 AM
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61. kick
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:40 AM
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68. Lieberman == closet republican
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:56 PM
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94. ckramer = ******
Funny how under the DU rules, ckramer is free to ignore the truth when it comes to Lieberman, but I'm prohibited from telling the truth about ckramer.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:41 AM
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69. That poor Al Gore was fooled by him
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:14 PM
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72. LOL!!!....Go lieberman!!!....You deserve such a fate.
And when you fall......may it not hurt so hard when ya land.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:26 PM
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74. What better way to blame the next terrorist attack on the Democrats
This guy can't be so stupid as to set himself up for failure.

If he doesn't take it Sen "DiFi" of CA will.



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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:59 PM
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77. Sometimes I'm amazed at how much DU resembles
Free Republic. I'm amazed at the (willfull?) ignorance displayed by so many posters who claim that Lieberman is no better or different than Miller, or that he is simply repub lite or Bush lite or what have you.

Lieberman is a Middle East hawk who voted for the Patriot Act. Other than that, he's had a more liberal voting record during the Bush Reign than probably 3/4ths of our elected Dem officials. He's vehemently pro-choice, opposed to school/state sponsored paryer, voted against the flag burning amendment, voted against the Medicare monstrosity, voted against Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, and very environmentally friendly.

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT EQUATE TO BEING BUSH LITE?

I just don't get some of you people. Lieberman certainly isn't perfect, but he's no Zell Miller. Or even John Breaux.

And if you can't see that this is a calcualted move by the Bush administration to steal another Senate seat, then I have bridge that you might be interested in...


*If* Lieberman accepts the supposed offer, then the Dem defector tag would be appropriate. But until we know all the facts, it's usually best to reserve judgment.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:32 PM
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79. sound advice--but if offer & accept come, this really is a betrayal of the
ideals that you listed above.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:32 PM
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104. The answer is contained in your question
"Lieberman is a Middle East hawk who voted for the Patriot Act. Other than that..."

"Other than that" ain't got nothing to do with it besides it isn't even close. There's PLENTY of other than that!

Lieberman quotes I just love:

Lieberman at the Munich Security Conference:

    "we Americans are upset that so many Europeans seem so much less anxious about the new threats of terrorism, rogue nations, and weapons of mass destruction than we are. "

    "I'm a Democrat seeking to replace George Bush in the Oval Office. But he and I agree on the danger posed by Saddam and the need to do something soon to eliminate that danger to us, to you, and most immediately to his neighbors in the Arab world as do most other Democrats, Republicans, and Independents in the US. In fact, five years ago, after Saddam ejected the UN inspectors, John McCain and I gave up on containment and introduced the Iraqi Liberation Act, which, when it became law, made a change of regime in Baghdad official US policy. You might therefore say that, when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy.

    Joe Lieberman, Munich Security Conference

    http://www.acronym.org.uk/docs/0302/doc12.htm



George W. Lieberman. Bush can have him and the sooner he takes all the Steinhart-Bronfman DLC cronies with him, the better.


- co-sponsored the Senate resolution authorizing President Bush to wage war against Iraq
- joined forces with Dan Quayle, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to condemn the entertainment industry for promoting what Lieberman calls "amoral" programming
- pushed for vouchers to further impoverish public schools
- was as much in Enron's pockets as Bush was and hampered any bills pushing for full investigations of corporate misconduct
- NAFTA, World Trade Organization and other devices for globalization on corporate terms right along with the other thieves
- calling for divorce laws that would make divorce a lot harder
- fought legislation to permit patients to sue negligent HMOs for punitive damages
- supported product liability reform, which would make it difficult for consumers to sue businesses that manufacture and sell defective and dangerous products
- joined with only three other Senate Democrats in 1995 to put a cap on punitive damage awards in product liability cases
- on the record as being in favor of in favor of slashing capital gains taxes

Yeah Bush can keep the good Senator whom Falwell praised as having "impeccable character". Let me suggest Bush take Miller, Bayh and the rest of the trash.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 09:45 AM
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105. But that's my only point really
Liberman isn't great, but he isn't as bad as many other supposed Dems. I don't get the vitriol directed at him, when Bayh, Nelson and Feinstein are even worse!

Liberman is simply a sympton of the problems infesting the Dem party, but he's not the illness itself.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:34 PM
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80. Lieberman would be a fool to accept
n/t
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:21 PM
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82. I agree
Bush's garbage will only get all over him. I see no possible advantage for him in accepting it.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:42 PM
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84. And how convenient it would be for Bush..
...to be able to blame a Dem at Homeland Security when we are attacked again
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:52 PM
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88. Wow
You're right. I hadn't thought of that. I hope Lieberman does.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:45 PM
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85. maybe they'll hire the leaders in the DLC next
Shouldn't they get something for pushing the Rep agenda and abandoning the liberals.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:55 PM
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90. I really wish he would switch parties.
He's a DINO. I do think he may be a bit too liberal for the Bush Cartel though.
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GraphicQueen Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:08 PM
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96. He is nothing but a...
DINO anyway. I just wish he would go ahead and switch parties and at least be truthful.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:54 PM
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98. Lieberman Would Be Better Than Any GOP Appointee.
Listen, I have been hard on Joe Lieberman here at the DU, but he'd make a far better head of the Homeland Defense Department than any Republican George Bush would nominate.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:08 PM
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99. I suppose that is true, but with Republican Ct. governor, we Dems
need every Senator we have!

I think this Homeland Security chief and department is all PR anyway. Its every man for himself in the USA, Mel Gibson just bought an island. They spend 50cents per person in Montana and 5 cents per person in NYC! Its all just smoke and mirrors.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:09 PM
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100. Can we afford to lose the seat? nt
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:45 PM
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101. The CT rules are hard to find.
In some states thre is an interim person appointed until a special elecion can be called. Rell said today she is willing to consider a dem, and also wants to fund stem cell research. I doubt she'd nominate a dem, but we can do much better in the senate than Joe. CT is solidly blue and will elect a decent dem if possible.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:00 PM
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102. lieberman should agree on ONE CONDITION:
that the governor of connecticut appoint a dem to replace him

otherwise, no deal
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JMac Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:31 PM
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103. Hum
Senator Lieberman has not received an offer, nor is he seeking one," said Leslie Phillips, a spokeswoman for the Connecticut Democrat.

Thats odd, Newsnight with Aaron Brown is reporting he turned down a cabinet spot. Looks like Joe is going to cover for Shrub and deny the offer. Spineless twit should have rubbed it in Shrubs face and told him to shove it publicly.
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