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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:24 AM
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NYT -States and Cities Must Hunt Terror Plots - Everyone a DHS Officer
Pretty soon, half the population will be informing on the other half. In Shrub's Second Term America, that's what happened after the election went 51/49.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/15/national/15secure.html

December 15, 2004
States and Cities Must Hunt Terror Plots, Mass. Governor Says
By PAM BELLUCK

BOSTON, Dec. 14 - To protect America against terrorists, state and local agencies, as well as private businesses, need to gather intelligence themselves and not just rely on intelligence gathered by the federal government, Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, the leader of a national working group on safeguarding the nation, told homeland security officials on Tuesday.

"The eyes and ears which gather intelligence need to be as developed in our country as they were in foreign countries during the cold war," Mr. Romney told the group. "Meter readers, E.M.S. drivers, law enforcement, private sector personnel need to be on the lookout for information which may be as useful."

>snip<

The proposal by Mr. Romney's working group represents a new and more assertive role for many local law enforcement agencies and other public and private entities in fighting terrorism, some experts on domestic security said.

Some cities and states, including Massachusetts, Colorado and Los Angeles, have set up or are planning "fusion centers," which collect information from local sources and seek to analyze it and draw conclusions. New York City goes beyond that, sending detectives to places like Israel and Singapore, as well as to other states to investigate businesses that sell explosives.

But under Mr. Romney's proposal, every state would be urged to marshal local agencies and businesses, with the goal of collecting details and observations that might, when stitched together, point to a potential terrorist attack.

>snip<

Mr. Romney, who is often mentioned as a Republican with potential or ambition to occupy a national office, insisted in the interview that he had no desire to be the next director of homeland security, or to take any other position in the Bush administration.

Sure. If appointed, he will not serve . . . The politics of terrorism are no different than what we've grown used to. The stakes for losing elections are just a little higher - Mark
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:30 AM
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1. "The salvation of the state is watchfulness in the citizen"
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 11:31 AM by ixion
-- or --

SPY ON YOUR NEIGHBOR!

It's the new 'Murikan way. :-(


*NOTE:

The quote in the subject line is inscribed over the North Entrance of the Nebraska state capitol in Lincoln, NE.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:36 AM
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2. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
I'm watching this.
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:41 AM
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3. I'm on it.
Got a lot of suspicious looking folks round my neighborhood, Bush lovers, white people, folks with one head...
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:45 AM
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4. That's right kiddies.


It's the new Amerikkkun® Way.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:50 AM
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5. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:58 AM
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9. We have custody, therefore we are custodians?
I wouldn't trust Shrub with a long object like a push broom. He might hurt someone.

- Mark
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:01 PM
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10. Nope: "Who shall keep watch over the Custodians?" (Luvenalis)
Commonly translated as "Who will guard these selfsame guardians?"
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:14 PM
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15. Latin wasn't my best subject
Nor was Italian or German. But, I may just do some brushing up to better understand the Bush regime.

- Mark
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:52 AM
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6. Is he saying he wants to turn the US into East Germany?

"The eyes and ears which gather intelligence need to be as developed in our country as they were in foreign countries during the cold war," Mr. Romney told the group. "Meter readers, E.M.S. drivers, law enforcement, private sector personnel need to be on the lookout for information which may be as useful."


He is, isn't he?

Zeigen Sie mir Ihre Papiere, bitte! Schnell!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:09 PM
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12. Papiere ist "chipped" mit GPS
Did't you bring your national ID card locator, Subkommander H. Tuttle?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:11 PM
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13. I really, really hate paperwork
Don't even get me started on those damned 27B/6 forms!

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:26 PM
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19. Go to http://suberic.net/~dmm/27B-6.pdf - Macht Schnell


. . . if you need more forms. You're on report, faul Arbeiter.

What do think this is, the Brazilian Army?

- Mark
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:35 PM
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20. LOL! I'm going to print that out and use it at work!
Thanks!

:D
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RuleofLaw Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:56 AM
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7. STASI anyone?
Is he referring to the DDR STASI with this:

"The eyes and ears which gather intelligence need to be as developed in our country as they were in foreign countries during the cold war," Mr. Romney told the group. "Meter readers, E.M.S. drivers, law enforcement, private sector personnel need to be on the lookout for information which may be as useful."

Thats great. Thats was one of the worst thing with the old East Germany, that everyone was spying on everyone. Remember the files when they were opened?

Disgusting!
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:43 PM
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21. Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, indeed
http://www.sovietski.com/Star/stasi.html

<snip>
The infamous Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, a.k.a. the Stasi, was established in April 1950. Similar in structure to the then- operating NKVD (predecessor to the KGB), the Stasi was the secret police force for the communist-controlled German Democratic Republic.

The Stasi used a huge network of informants to repress the citizens of East Germany. It was not uncommon for members of families to spy on each other for fear of blackmail, as a result of physical threats and even because of monetary rewards from the secret police force. In the late ‘80s, the Stasi had nearly 175,000 official informants on their books, roughly one informant for every 100 people. (Some estimate the size of the “unofficial” Stasi informant force as nearly 10 times this level.) The Stasi maintained a force of over 90,000 uniformed and plain-clothes agents.
</snip>

Does Romney's audience understand what they are hearing? Do they not know recent history?

yikes

b_b
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:56 AM
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8. Oh my God. Day by day this looks more like Nazi Germany.
The only difference is so far that they're not working on that Aryan thing but on "Christianity". But the results are exactly the same.

Get out while you can, I'm really serious. What I have been reading here just in the last two weeks looks really, really bad.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:21 PM
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17. Liburul witch hunt, for sure...
Will they have the public prisoner burnings?

Gonna be a tough choice for the righties though...an evening in front of FOX News or a gathering in the town square to watch the left cook.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:04 PM
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11. Great, they want spies everywhere
Watching closely in case a citizen doesn't seem patriotic enough. "Oh Oh, Jo Blow said something disturbing about the government, I better report him right away, he might be a terrorist"

"1984", here we come!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:14 PM
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14. Oh Good!
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:19 PM by bvar22
I've got my list of favorite people to denounce!!! I'm starting with Flush Limpbag, but everybody with a bush/cheney sticker or yardsign is going to have a session with the Homeland Security truncheons and electrodes.


If practiced on a large enough scale, this is actually an effective method to counter BigBrother's Information Gathering...Information Overload...Garbage IN...Garbage Out.

So Lovers of Freedom, make it a part of your daily routine to Denounce A Republican!!! Care should be taken to remain untraceable.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:23 PM
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18. You made me laugh :) And it WOULD work.
If you could get all of your "49 percent" together they wouldn't stand a chance.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:15 PM
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16. Next newsflash prediction:
American patriots should be aware that the most dangerous terrorists are those who do not commit overt acts of terrorism!!

I mean, it worked for Stalin at the 1937 Party Congress, so why not here? :eyes:
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