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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:49 AM
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Judge's robe gets national attention (Update to 10 Commandments Robe Story
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 06:50 AM by Khephra
ANDALUSIA -- Two days after Presiding Circuit Court Judge Ashley McKathan donned a robe in court displaying the Ten Commandments on his chest, staffers were busy fielding calls from media outlets and supporters across the nation.

"We've had calls from Texas, Washington state, Arkansas, California, New Jersey and Tennessee, plus the local calls," explained McKathan's secretary, Susan Sansom, looking over a legal pad listing the callers early on Wednesday. "Every one of them is supportive of what the judge has done. We have not had a single complaint called in."

Then there were media calls from local papers, radio and television and even the CNN and MSNBC cable news networks. The south Alabama judge seemed a bit surprised at how quickly word of his gold-lettered robe traveled.

"This is only the third day," he said, smiling and still wear ing the robe during a break in court proceedings. "I expected a little stir, but I never dreamed it would go so far so fast."

http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/news/1103192240282300.xml
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:55 AM
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1. Good God!
Can these people just keep it to themselves!?!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:50 AM
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14. three days to report a judge wearing the ten commandments
But voter fraud? Not a peep. Our media is so biased and we're not in Kansas anymore.
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:29 AM
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36. Media in US...
SUCKS.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:59 AM
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2. Though shalt not wear thy religion on thy sleeve

or any other vestment
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:25 AM
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34. But, this sure gives new meaning to "man of the cloth".
:eyes:
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:05 AM
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3. That was his whole trip,
to get attention. "I expected a little stir". Is this the purpose of the bench these days?
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:10 AM
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4. I love it --- ad
I clicked on the link and the story came up with a books-a-million ad for Bill Clinton's My Life.

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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:40 AM
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5. Now that we have your attention...
The back of Judge McKathan's robe is also available for personal messages, political messages, and advertising. Call for rates.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:49 AM
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12. That is priceless! What a great idea.
You should call and ask for how much the judge's backside is for sale.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:13 AM
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6. It's funny how some fundamentalists have gotten a

bee in their collective bonnet about the ten commandments and are thinking up various ways to display an image of same and pay homage to it (think of the crowds going to view the traveling 10 commandments rock formerly in Judge Moore's courthouse.) Now Judge McKathan is wearing them on his robe. . . and I remember when I was a little girl, they made little girls' charm bracelets with ten commandment charms.

Yet, one thing I know about fundamentalist Protestants is that they almost universally disapprove of, if not downright hate, Catholics and Catholicism. Why? Well, one of the reasons they always give is that Catholics "worship" statues and other images, because we have statues in our churches and many of us wear crucifixes and/or medals depicting Jesus or a saint. They also look down their noses at these "graven images" of ours.

The irony is delicious!
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ashiebr Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:18 AM
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8. Which Commandment is it...............
which says "Thou shalt not be DUI"?
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really annoyed Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:13 AM
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41. How About a Commandment Belt?
Here ya go.

http://www.shopintuition.com/Commandment/belt.html

Or you can get a cuff.

http://www.shopintuition.com/Commandment/cuff.html

Maybe the judge is trying to be trendy? :evilgrin:
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:18 AM
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7. Folks, stop watching the waving scarves and keep eye on magicians.
This is ridiculous, true, but reacting to their ridiculous antics is allowing them to define the field.

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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:38 AM
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9. Good point
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:44 AM
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11. One of the members here at DU had to deal with this joker
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 08:45 AM by Khephra
It IS important. Don't fool yourselves. Real life people have to go before this wacko. The way that he acts in doing this reflects his judgement in other areas...namely his place as a JUDGE. Do you really want to put your life or your loved one's lives in the hands of a judge who ignores the law of the land and basically flaunts it?

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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:18 PM
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26. I had a certain fondness for that querky judge 'Harry' on a sitcom..
what was that show? --and maybe his judgment was pretty poor at times ;)

Seriously, I agree this is totally inappropriate and I think this judge sounds like 'not a member of the reality-based community'..but if you're going to go after judges for poor judgment, there's probably better criteria than lettering the commandments on his robe. Like how he actually handles his cases.


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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:46 AM
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39. Night Court... funny show nt
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:39 AM
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10. it ain't all the crazies the ones who are locked up.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:50 AM
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13. He should be fired. Or defrocked. Or whatever you call it.
His job is to uphold the laws of the US and his state. Not the laws culled from a superstitious fairy tale.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:51 AM
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15. If he can wear the ten commandments, can another judge wear
the Koran? How about the American flag.
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manly Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:12 AM
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16. judge's robes
this idiot is so monumentally stupid, i can't believe it. another bush supporter.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:25 AM
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17. He's just following the Roy Moore path to political fame and fortune
Roy Moore was just a local judge in Gadsden until he posted the Ten Commandments on the wall in his courtroom. The next thing you know, he wins a statewide election to be chief justice of Alabama.

I guess Judge McKathan fancies himself in appellate robes as well.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:27 AM
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18. Well, it seems McKathan's secretary needs a few reality-based calls
Can anyone get her contact stuff...I'm off to work.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:22 PM
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19. his "antic" is important because
it is the steady drip drip drip of these crazies imposing their will upon the rest of us . He is in a place of authority over the freedom of others

scary Sh@ if you ask me
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:24 PM
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20. THE NINTH CHRISTIAN CRUSADE
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:26 PM
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:49 PM
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23. Hey
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 02:59 PM by quaoar
< on edit: not going to stoop to your level >
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:47 PM
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22. Anybody seen a pic of this robe?
I tried Google but came up dry.

Bake
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Krupskaya Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:52 PM
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24. Someone please tell me how this isn't an activist judge. n/t
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Ferretherder Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:07 PM
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31. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
...and you took the words right outta my mouth!

Funny how a guy who believes the way this wacko does, ISN'T an activist in the eyes of the GOP....only people who try to interpret the law as it applies to MODERN LIFE and MODERN PROBLEMS....in other words, those who think logically.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 02:56 PM
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25. An editorial from The Macon Telegraph
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/opinion/10424781.htm

May we address the court, your honor?

That opening is but one of the many written and unwritten rules of order that apply to courtroom proceedings, great and small. Others outline how and when lawyers address the presiding judge and prescribe the professional conduct and dress for lawyers and judges.

A courtroom is not the place to make statements. It's a place of decorum, of justice, of equality, of equal representation under the law.

But another judge in Alabama has taken it upon himself to use the assumed powers of the judicial bench as a pulpit to express his moral outrage that the law does not publicly equate to his personal religious preferences.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:41 PM
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27. If another judge can be suspended for what he wears outside of court
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 06:00 PM by bloom
This guy should be removed entirely for wearing partisan attire while in the court.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 05:44 PM
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28. "Judges who don't follow the rule of law, but follow their own agenda..."
Think I heard that from the Prince of Lies himself.

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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:52 PM
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29. The last graph in the Macon Telegraph editorial says a lot
While the label "activist judge" is most often associated with liberal judges who the labeler feels injects personal beliefs into judicial rulings, how much more "activist" is a conservative judge who wears any symbol in the courtroom like a billboard on his chest?
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:59 PM
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30. We need to find a Pagan or Islamic Judge to display the same way
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 07:00 PM by hollowdweller
Also isn't wearing a robe like that violating the graven image commandment?
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:08 AM
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32. Most people wouldn't want to sacrifice their career to make the point.
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 12:08 AM by bloom
There should be some way to illustrate how unacceptable this is.



To your question - I think the law givers used to be very much church/gov't intertwined. So the robe is almost priest-like. Too bad this judge didn't get the message that that's not the case anymore.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:16 AM
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33. Just another Pharisee
eom
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:27 AM
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35. They really are taking over...
We are fucking doomed...evangelical hell, that's what this is.
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:31 AM
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37. Who does he think he is, God?
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 12:32 AM by purduejake
This just pisses me off because it's as if he thinks his decisions are backed by God. Anybody else get that feeling?

edit: typo removed.
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:35 AM
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38. Ah, yeah!
I get that feeling every frigging day. "Happy Holidays" offends these people somehow..why do they feel the need to SHOVE THEIR BELIEFS DOWN OUR THROATS?:puke:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:58 AM
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40. "...you shall not be as the hypocrites...
...that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward."
--Matthew 6:5
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aikido15 Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:19 AM
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42. so true...
I so wish they would practice what it is they think they stand for!
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:53 AM
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43. They're desperate, attention seeking narcissists.
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 01:54 AM by Starlight
Religion is just a means to get attention & bully others.

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/attent.htm#Need

Human beings are social creatures and need social interaction, feedback, and validation of their worth. The emotionally mature person doesn't need to go hunting for these; they gain it naturally from their daily life, especially from their work and from stable relationships. Daniel Goleman calls emotional maturity emotional intelligence, or EQ; he believes, and I agree, that EQ is a much better indicator of a person's character and value than intelligence quotient, or IQ.

The emotionally immature person, however, has low levels of self-esteem and self-confidence and consequently feels insecure; to counter these feelings of insecurity they will spend a large proportion of their lives creating situations in which they become the centre of attention. It may be that the need for attention is inversely proportional to emotional maturity, therefore anyone indulging in attention-seeking behaviours is telling you how emotionally immature they are.

Attention-seeking behaviour is surprisingly common. Being the centre of attention alleviates feelings of insecurity and inadequacy but the relief is temporary as the underlying problem remains unaddressed: low self-confidence and low self-esteem, and consequent low levels of self-worth and self-love.

Insecure and emotionally immature people often exhibit bullying behaviours, especially manipulation and deception. These are necessary in order to obtain attention which would not otherwise be forthcoming. Bullies and harassers have the emotional age of a young child and will exhibit temper tantrums, deceit, lying and manipulation to avoid exposure of their true nature and to evade accountability and sanction.

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