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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:08 AM Original message |
Dutch see threat from "born-again" Muslims in West |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. But "born again" Christians |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The difference being |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Double standard |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Not a double standard |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yes, double standard |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Here's some help for you |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Generl Jerry Boykin is absolutely a nut case! |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. He's doing what I love? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
70. You're right. Anybody working for the government has to |
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Bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
110. I have many Dutch friends |
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barbaraann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And they never hunt and kill staff at abortion clinics, either, do they? |
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Roaming (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. My goodness; when did that happen? |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. About a month ago |
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Roaming (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Sorry--misunderstood! |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
29. no they don't, they just commit character assassination... |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. When did this happen? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
67. Last Temptation was hailed by the right as a teaching tool... |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Reaction to Last Temptation was mixed |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. They hunt down doctors and blow up clinics where people are |
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Cicero (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 11:04 AM Response to Reply #40 |
111. When has that happened any time recently? |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I'll worry about "born again" christians |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Falwell and Robertson |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. How many followers have complied? |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Ask Matthew Shepard |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. That's strange |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. You seem to lose recollection when it doesn't suit your purpose. |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Of course I have |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Do you have anything to support your statement? |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Yes i do |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
45. And I don't recall Shepard's killers claiming allegiance to the 700 Club |
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SariesNightly (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. This scares me.. |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Segregation is the problem |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Should all ethnic groups assimilate or go home? |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Don't ask me |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I was just in their country......... |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I need to visit their country |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. hehehehehehehehe.............................. |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
82. It isn't so much about failure to assimilate |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 05:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
105. No, not all Muslims are targeted. |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Eric Rudolph kills for the "Army of God" |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
71. So, give me an address for them, who are its preachers, |
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Flagg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
57. ince demographic projections show Europe will become an Islamic continent |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
97. And California is becoming "Mexifornia" |
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KDLarsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
113. Don't forget Turkey |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
80. That backlash has been a long time coming |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
96. What a revolting post |
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KDLarsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #96 |
115. To be fair.. |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
81. Segregation isn't the solution, it's the problem |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Serial gay killer in Chicago |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I'm confused |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Provide proof |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Um, Muslims? |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. I asked for proof, not your say-so |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I must've been mistaken |
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Big Kahuna (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. Actually.. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. These are practices that occurred among some New World peoples, too |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. And every anti-gay/hate group on the net.... |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Every one? |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. I think you would have to be there to talk to the people |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. There's more to fear from Christians than Muslims |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Wow |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. People don't usually start off with talk of camps. |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I'd venture to say |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. The ones leading the prayers and giving speeches about killing Muslim |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Where is this happening? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Well, then, you haven't been paying attention |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. That's hardly the same thing |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. What a disingenous argument |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Whatever |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. But that's not what started this discussion |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. You really are losing credibility. And showing your true colors here: |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. You're right, I don't know them |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Excuse me? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. The French Resistance also targeted collaborators |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. So that makes it okay? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
92. C'mon, are you for real? |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #92 |
106. Look some up on your own |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. No, you're the one who claimed to know all about it |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
90. Oh, the poor, misunderstood Iraqi "freedom fighters"... |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. They are also doing a pretty good job at killing |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
72. You know, I've had born-again, evangelical, fundamentalist, |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
102. I really don't think those people follow Christian ideals.... |
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strobetoad (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
54. A Fundie is a Fundie |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
99. You can't paint Fallwell's and Robertson's followers with that broad brush |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. Jerry Falwell said "blow them all away in the name of the Lord" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. What the hell is wrong with you? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. "Shouldn't be brought up?" |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You misinterpreted what I meant |
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jellybelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
75. not fair... |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Maybe you should get your facts straight |
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jellybelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. so it doesn't matter? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. The point is that it's practiced by people for cultural reasons |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
101. Born Again Christians are not as prevalent in Europe |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
56. Weren't most of us both okay the first time? Born-agains seem to be the |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
68. This is a big problem for the Dutch and all of Europe. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. You are correct. Euro's hospitality to Muslims has been abused |
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jellybelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. right |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. Some radical Islamist have called for that |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #83 |
108. Ah, you mean those evil things liberals propose and conservatives hate |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
98. Yeah, it sounds paranoid |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 02:37 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. I didn't say it's already happened. |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
79. Why are these Muslims being called "born again"? |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Well, to give the benefit of the doubt... |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Good. If it pisses off "born again" Christians then I am all for it |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. what about all the born again Christians who are Democrats? |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. they can do that? |
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jellybelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. Does it matter? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #79 |
109. They ARE alike. Deal with it. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
87. all fundies are wrong |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. what about Pagan fundies? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:48 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. Most likely, yes. (nt) |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
103. This thread has degenerated. |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
112. Muslims feel a threat from the Dutch, no wonder |
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