Zogby: Gore/Bush in statistical tie; half the people know Gore won!

[politmuse1]

ZOGBY-DRAFT GORE POLL:
Gore in Statistical Tie With Bush, Leads All Democrats

Half the voters believe Gore would have won in 2000 without Supreme Court Intervention

For the first time since the 2000 elections, a major poll shows the country split evenly between Al Gore and George W. Bush. The same poll also indicates that half the voters in America have not forgotten what happened in 2000.

The Sept. 5-9 poll shows Bush with less than majority support and only with the narrowest of margins over Al Gore, 48% to 46% -- a difference smaller than the poll's margin of error (3.2%) -- making it a statistical tie.

Moreover, Gore leads Bush among independent voters by 47% to 43%.

The poll, conducted by Zogby for Draft Gore, also shows Gore leading all major contenders for the Democratic nomination with 24% -- compared to 16% for Dean, 12% for Lieberman, 11% for Kerry, 7% for Gephardt, and 2% for Edwards.

Most intriguing was the response to a question never asked of voters before: whether they agree or disagree that Gore would have been elected president had all the votes been counted in Florida in 2000. Almost half -- 46 percent -- agreed. A large majority of Democrats (70 percent) as well as a majority of independents (50 percent) believe Gore would have won had the Supreme Court not intervened.

For more, see http://draftgore.com

[goobergunch]

1. You might want to edit your subject line

"Gore in Statistical Tie With Bush, Leads All Democrats" is probably the correct subject line, although you're close enough that the mods will give this a pass.

This is my last post on this thread.

[Born Free]

26. It's not too late for Al Gore to accept the draft

Wishful thinking, yes I admit it- I am one of those that already made a financial pledge to support AL Gore, but I still believe he can come back, providing it is a draft.

[bloom]

2. I would say - half of the people will ADMIT that Gore won...

[Cheswick2.0]

20. Yes I think Republicans know he won, but won't say so

When their buyers remorse finally kicks in Bush is toast.

[PartyPooper]

22. That's the *only* worthwhile tidbit about this poll!

:dem:

[Cha]

3. There is another posting of this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=322491

[David Zephyr]

4. Notice the Pro-Gore Polls, the "Name Recongition Polls" = Stop Dean

Can you smell the Corporate whores in Congress, the DLC and the Media who are doing their part now try and stop the Dean/Clark steam-roller?

Stories of Hillary reconsidering.
Useless polls where Lieberman has high "name recogniton"
Useless polls about Al Gore.

The fact is that Howard Dean is running ahead in all three critical early contests (Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina). All three are diverse ethnically, culturally and politically and yet, there it is Howard Dean on top.

The fact is that Howard Dean has nearly 500,000 signed up volunteers committed to his campaign.

The fact is that Howard Dean is raising money by the bucket loads from small donors.

The fact is that Howard Dean has the angry activist base solidly behind him.

The fact is that Howard Dean is more intelligent than the other candidates, better educated and has real governing experience.

The fact is that Howard Dean actually left Vermont in great condition and with EVERY child having access to healthcare.

The fact is that Howard Dean has nearly 90,000 supporters who meet up in over 450 cities nationwide every month.

The fact is that Howard Dean is far ahead in the critical state of California in every poll of the Democratic Candidates. The state that contributes a disprortionate amount of funds to national political races and has the largest number of delegates at the National Convention.

The Corporate Whores in Congress and their CEO bosses are beginning to run scared that the Dean/Clark ticket is a runaway with Americans.

So...

Here come the useless polls that tell people nothing.

Al Gore will not run.
Hillary will not run.

Clark's entry will suck up the oxygen from Kerry and Lieberman's campaigns putting them permanently into the single digits in every important poll to come.

The enemy is beginning to sweat like Nixon or a whore in church.

[billbuckhead]

8. The enemy? If Dean himself doesn't raise his "negatives"..................

The Deanies surely will. No wonder so much longing for Gore, Hillary, Clark or someone else beside the abrasive governor of one the smallest states in the nation. The only Democrat running with an "A" from the NRA.

[BeachBuckeye]

9. Easy now!

Everyone is just looking for the "sure thing." Can you blame everyone for leaving no stoned unturned to defeat Bush? Don't worry, our strongest candidate will rise to the top. If its Dean, Kerry, Clark, Clinton, Gore, or any of the others, the winner will be the strongest candidate.

[politmuse1]

13. Just like Bush -- You're with me or against me

This is fanaticism, not politics.

What you're saying is that if some of us happen to support someone -- anyone! -- other than Dean, this means we're in some kind of grand conspiracy. Even if the poll numbers back us up. Even if the candidate we're talking about -- Al Gore in this case -- was forced out of the race by the DLC you so hate!

But you still say that if we're not with Dean, we must be some kind of a right-wing mole, is that it?

Such tactics are despicable. You owe a lot of people an apology.

[robbedvoter]

14. The fact is that the paranoia of Deanies is turning off people

This was a post about Al Gore, by a DU-er. Not a personal attack on your God.

[w4rma]

16. robbedvoter, that's a good bit overboard, IMHO (n/t)

[Gman]

24. No it's not... Deanie Boppers get on everyone' nerves.

The Deanie Boppers get on everyone's nerves. Most of us just tolerate them and let them have their exuberance because we understand this is, for most, their first presidential campaign.

However, they are highly annoying when they get defensive and/or abusive.

[kwolf68]

40. Amen

.

[robbedvoter]

29. Personal experience - I considered Dean, but cults scare me

You guys should be more careful what you project when advocating for your guy. Not everything in the universe is for, against or about your center of the universe. There's life beyond it!

[DemPopulist]

15. Stop it

You've said in, I think, more than one thread that Dean is ahead in South Carolina. He's not: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=731

At best you can say he's in a statistical dead heat with Edwards, Kerry and Lieberman, but he's not even leading in that (Edwards is). Trust me, if Dean were 1% ahead in some state, and I said the guy in second was "ahead", you and many other Dean supporters on this board would scream bloody murder.

Nobody from the DLC is creating these Gore polls. Zogby is, in addition to a national pollster, a pollster for hire and this one was obviously financed by DraftGore, just like DraftClark financed a poll on Clark a few weeks back. As for Howard Dean being "more intelligent" and "better-educated" than the other candidates...:eyes:

[Gman]

17. I don't think the one sweating is "the enemy"

which apparently is anyone not supporting Dean.

In any event, after a screed like that, sounds to me like the one sweating is at least one Dean supporter in particular.

Fact is, Gore and/or Hillary can win in November 2004 while Dean will be cast upon the same heap as McGovern and Dukakis.

"The enemy", huh? Are you actually a Green? I wonder because I consider Greens the enemy. It would be interesting if in fact the feeling's mutual.

[last_texas_dem]

44. So...

...in your view, the media is promoting Al Gore in order to stunt Howard Dean's candidacy. Can I thus infer that you feel the media has a hidden pro-Gore bias?

If so, excuse me, but that's the funniest thing I have yet to hear on this sad day.

And re: who the "corporate whores" would support/be scared of, why would they be any more likely to be supporting Al Gore instead of Howard Dean? Based on how they present themselves/have been presented, Dean is the "fiscal conservative" while Gore is the "angry populist"; I would figure the former would have more appeal to the powers-that-be. Why else would the corporate wing of the Democratic party, the DLC, have abandoned Gore during his 2000 run?

I'm not one to slag on anyone else's candidates, and I'm not going to now. I just fail to see how Howard Dean is the "cure-all" candidate so many seem to think of him as. His energy and his bluntness are very appealing qualities, but I feel like he has just as many negatives as many other candidates.

A story about how Al Gore would do today up against * may be worth nothing more than a little vindication for those of us who never "got over" the 2000 sElection (I would like to say for all of us Democrats but, sadly, this doesn't seem to be the case.) To interpret its existence as some sort of plot to undermine the Dean candidacy seems more than a little ridiculous and paranoid.

[onehandle]

5. Who cares...

Gore isn't running. Hillary either.

Period.

[Judi Lynn]

6. Great post, politmuse1!

I'll NEVER "get over it."

Who knows what can happen between now and November, 2004?

Who would have EVER foreseen the true hell our nation has been plunged into by _{pResident Bush,} if people had the power to predict?

Welcome to D.U.! :hi: :hi: :hi:

[David Zephyr]

7. Hey! Welcome to the DU, Politmuse1!

And thanks for your post! :hi:

[kodi]

10. the issue is to turn these numbers into democratic votes come nov 2004

the issue is not whether centrist dems want to undermine dean. we know that already. these same centrists did it to gore 18 months ago, so remarks pointing now to these same folks as somehow al gore supporters indicates that the deannies believe that the centrists in the democratic party would rather have gore than dean when history shows that they did not want gore either.

frankly, i'll vote for either if they are on the ticket.

and it is my belief that barring a rather large "disturbance in the Force" if dean is denied the nomination at the convention, al gore will head the ticket.

[okieinpain]

11. oh you poor fools. don't you know that the only poll that is

any good is the one that has bush at 75%. won't to know what the poll is, sorry it's national security.

[dusty64]

12. Funny they ask this

question now, where were they during the selection.

[Gman]

18. Gore can get in and win

And NOT have to deal with, at this point, the spectre of a 2000 rerun.

This is wonderful news. I just hope Gore can be encouraged to get into the fray for the good of America as well as the world.

[politmuse1]

19. I meant Zogby POLL-- Sorry if subject line is misleading

My mistake. I didn't mean to make it seem like a Zogby quote (although the results do reflect just that). I tried to edit but you're only allowed to do that for a given time -- won't let me do it anymore.

I mean to say "Zogby Poll: ......... etc "

Hopefully the facts speak for themselves. Sorry for any confusion.

[Nottingham]

21. I think Americans Wonder what would have happen if Gore Won

Would we have 9/11
Would we have Iraq War
Would we have massive unemployment
Would we have Record Deficits

:bounce: I really don't think we would have

[Cheswick2.0]

23. Great news, it seems every one is not as smitten with bush

as the bushies would have you believe.


I would drop everything and work for a Gore campaign in a minute flat.

[farmboxer]

25. Reelect President Gore!

President Gore won in 2000 and he can win again in 2004, we just have to keep the elections fair!

[SoCalDem]

27. Amazing how they waited almost THREE FREAKING years to bother to poll

this question.. I was so hoping that they would do it right after the "selection", but I guess they were too afraid of the answer they might get :(

[Rose Siding]

28. Now where's my teacup?...n/t

[robbedvoter]

30. Right on top of the assurances bush gave your guy that he won't go to war!

[Rose Siding]

31. NOT my guy

I was being sarcastic. Sorry I wasn't clear.

[samsingh]

32. how about a Gore and Clark ticket?

[Name removed]

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[Rainbowreflect]

34. You must of only read the headlines and not the whole story.

Try a little research on the facts of the 2000 election and who was behind the 9-11 attacks. Believing the headlines and the sound bites is just what bush wants. Try thinking & researching for yourself, it's amazing what truth you can find.

[gratuitous]

35. You are incorrect

While the headlines tried to claim that Bush won, the stories actually detailed that had the ballots been counted in accordance with Florida law, under any of the standards put forth in the legal pleadings, Gore would have picked up sufficient votes to win the state.

You should study the issue a little further in depth before spouting off with an uninformed shout like that, timber.

[underpants]

36. Right of the 9 models most papers set up W only won in 1

the standard that the FLORIDA SUPREME COURT establsihed, that of course was overruled by Diddy's friends.

Actually W won in 3 of the nine but two of those and one inwhich Gore won were pretty convaluted.

Was it Norco that did the description of the ballots? I fourget the name of the organizaiton.

[haymaker]

37. When I want your opinion,

I'll rattle your cage.

[MostlyBlackCat2]

38. so, the other half of the country

is either stupid or ignorant or just really bad at math??

Like what part of

50,996,039 Number of votes for Gore. <http://www.fec.gov>
50,456,141 Number of votes for Bush. <http://www.fec.gov>
539,898 Gore's popular-vote margin. <http://www.fec.gov>


do they not understand???

[peacetalksforall]

39. All the debate about the best candidate is only half valid

if you don't know what the Greens plan to do.

About the Zogby poll -

I am utterly and blown away amazed that they would even form questions like these and actually do it. Did they? Is it all a joke?

[rabid_nerd]

41. Zogby just commented on them on MSNBC

and there will be further coverage later...

Many other outlets are picking this up..

[Cheswick2.0]

42. I would vote for him with a beard

I would vote for him without a beard. But I have to admit I liked the beard and I don't normally.

[rabid_nerd]

43. Are you picking on me?

:grr:

(story) I was seen on Fox and MSNBC in a story on the Feb 22 2002 Leadership 02 event where a cameraman caught me with my re-elect gore in 2004 bumperstickers and shot those then asked me if I thought Al could win with a beard...

I though he said "with a beer"... I answered "yeah, we should all have a beer!"

:beer:

Maybe I shouldn't have that night, lol!

But I did get a picture with me and Al while drinking that very beer!