Russia and China to Hold Joint Maneuvers

[G_j]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4695831,00.html

Russia and China to Hold Joint Maneuvers

Monday December 27, 2004 11:31 AM


MOSCOW (AP) - Russia and China are set to hold unprecedented joint military maneuvers on Chinese territory next year involving both nations' air forces and navies, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said in the Kremlin on Monday.

Ivanov, speaking at a Cabinet session chaired by President Vladimir Putin, said that the exercise would involve submarines and possibly even strategic bombers, the Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies reported.

``For the first time in history, we have agreed to hold a quite large military exercise together with China on the Chinese territory in the second half of the year,'' Ivanov said, according to ITAR-Tass.

``The Russian side will bring not big numbers of servicemen, but mostly state-of-the art weapons - navy, air, long-range aviation, submarines to practice interaction with China in different forms of military maneuvers.''

..more..

[arwalden]

1. Now If *THAT'S* Not A Signal To The US...

... then I don't know what is. --- It would appear that the US is now the rogue nation, the world's pariah, the "evil empire" of the new Millennium. The capitalist menace.

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Will the Wacky Warchimp bring on World War 3?

"W" stands for "We're screwed...":scared:

[shadowknows69]

5. already scheduled for may sweeps tune in. n/t

[ally_sc]

19. agree n/t

[antigone382]

30. Yep, it's absolutely a signal to the U.S.

Russia and China to Hold Joint Maneuvers

Mon Dec 27, 3:28 PM ET World - AP


By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer

(snip)

Both nations frequently have spoken about their adherence to a "multipolar world," a term that refers to their opposition to a perceived U.S. domination in global affairs.


Putin and other Russian officials allege that the United States improperly influenced Ukraine's elections by funding democracy-building organizations. A Nov. 21 ballot in which the pro-Kremlin candidate was declared the winner was later annulled after allegations of widespread fraud and amid massive public protests.

...

Some observers have speculated that Russia could respond to the falling out with the West over Ukraine's presidential election by trying to forge a closer partnership with China and India, the second-biggest customer of Russia's military industrial complex.


During his visit to India earlier this month, Putin pushed for a trilateral summit with leaders of India and China and assailed U.S. "dictatorship of international affairs."

(more)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=5&u=/ap/20041227/ap_on_re_eu/russia_china

Whew! Thank God the Cold War's over! :eyes:

Edited to fix a cut and paste error, then edited to edit my edit.

[spooked]

2. This could get interesting

[shadowknows69]

4. I think someone is thinking of regime change in our country

or maybe just getting ready to do away with the nusiance that America has become. We've thrown down the gauntlet and the world views us as being on a resource grabbing crusade. Red Dawn anyone? Or will they just nuke us out of the world's misery.

[IA_Seth]

23. Red Dawn...what a great movie.

[GHOSTDANCER]

32. WOLVERINES!!!!

The Colonel: All that hate's gonna burn you up, kid.
Robert: It keeps me warm.

[ally_sc]

18. yep..i can see it now

i am not liking this. somone posted something about a missle exchange earlier in the month here...gw better get his act together. they probably think gw will be after them next...

[Delphinus]

6. Hmm ...

wonder if this is going to wake people up?

Sure hope * doesn't see it as an act of aggression and add them to his axis of evil.

[proudbluestater]

10. * only picks on the smaller countries who are defenseless

in comparison to our war machine. Doubt he'd be stupid enough to pick on these two, but he was, after all, a C student, frat boy, drug addict and alcoholic, so you never can tell about his judgement.

[corker]

7. * really is a uniter and not a divider..

[mom cat]

8. Thanks for the smile.

:evilgrin:

[proudbluestater]

9. Notice the great source in the UK, the Guardian

At least the Brits are allowed to be informed by their media. You probably won't see the story in any of the media cabal in this country.

Very soon we will no longer be the "lone superpower" and that will be a relief to this US citizen.

Dictator Boosh has driven the country off a cliff.

[Rose Siding]

11. It's AP. Newsday's got it

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-russia-china,0,2586297.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

[wovenpaint]

12. Uh oh

"For the first time in history"......"unprecedented"...
Gee, Russia has the weapons and China has the servicemen.
Why am I not surprised? The US isn't the only one after all that oil.

[theycanbiteme]

13. Worrisome

Its not just joint military ops, but far-flung alliances that are being conjured. I have read that China, Russia, India and even Brasil have
been contemplating a world-wide alliance to counter-balance the US.
It makes sense. Too bad for us.

[NNN0LHI]

16. Venezuela too

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1220/p06s01-woam.html

Chávez extends regional muscle

BIG BUY: Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez (l.) met his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, in Moscow last month. Chávez plans to purchase a large amount of Russian arms.
SERGEI KARPUKHIN/REUTERS


Flush with cash from high oil prices, Venezuela's president is pushing his leftist vision across the region.

By Mike Ceaser | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

CARACAS, VENEZUELA – Record world oil prices have filled Venezuela's treasury and helped President Hugo Chávez and his "Bolivarian Revolution for the poor" win two elections in recent months. Now, freed from worries about domestic political opposition, Mr. Chávez is using his new wealth to extend his influence beyond his nation's borders - and perhaps escalate his long-running confrontation with Washington, say observers.

In recent months, Chávez has expanded Venezuela's policy of supplying oil at below-market prices to poor neighbors. He has also made a major arms purchase from Russia and pushed for the creation of a regional petroleum corporation. A firebrand populist and admirer of Cuba's Fidel Castro, Chávez has often spoken of spreading his leftist vision across this continent, in contrast to the conservative economic policies that swept South America in the 1990s.

"Without a doubt, Chávez has very great pretensions of increasing his influence" in the region, says Alfredo Rangel, who heads the Security and Democracy Foundation, a think tank in Bogotá, Colombia. "Chávez wants to extend his Bolivarian project to new places."

More than ever, Chávez may be in a position to act. Domestically, he renewed his mandate with a victory in an Aug. 15 referendum, and regional elections in October gave his allies control of 21 of 23 state governorships. Meanwhile, crude oil prices have pushed foreign reserves above $20 billion and have enabled Venezuela to sell oil to Cuba, Paraguay, and elsewhere below the current $45 a barrel.

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[G_j]

26. I guess this is what

can be expected when Bush spouts his "with us or against us" idiocy.
Obviously the US backed coup attempt pretty much cemented it with Chávez.

[InvisibleBallots]

14. Thank God Reagan won the Cold War!

Oh, wait...

[sweetheart]

15. I was hoping you meant with a big fat spliff

Would it be so much nicer if they had a giant cannabis smoke-in
and maneouvered all those joints around between stoned revelers.

Perhaps the world should have alternative sensamilla joint maneuvers
to counterbalance the insane warmongers on all continents. :-)

[G_j]

21. can I live in

that alternative universe?
How nice that would be. Bet we could have some great drum circles!

[sweetheart]

29. Hu's roach is this... uuhhhhhh... Putin over there....

Your headline conjured a momentary image of Hu's roach is on first.
What's the name of the guy with the joint on first base?
I don't know... Third base. :-)

Putins on Second Base. Put in what? I don't know... Third base. :-)

Hu's on first. Yes. What's the name of the guy on first base... Hu.
That's what i'm trying to find out.

These army shitheads 'll blow up the world... when they should
just have a smoke and chill out. The earth's not goin' nowhere
new... The people's still gots two arms and legs... and eats
and shits... chill and enjoy Putin it to Hu.

[G_j]

31. Hu

has got the roach clip?
Hu..
oh never mind..
happy You Near SH! :toast:

[Delphinus]

25. Ooh,

your idea sounds good. A great big smoke-in. :)

[Union Thug]

17. Can you blame them? /eom

[ckramer]

20. Russia's weapon + China's wealth = Merry Christmas

[Massacure]

22. How much of China's economy is based on the U.S. ?

I wonder how hard it would be for China to switch trade from the U.S. to Russia?

[G_j]

24. I believe the US

is very much in debt to China, not sure how that plays into the larger picture..

[Nevernose]

28. Wal-Mart alone is worth 10% of their economy

And I've heard figures ranging from 25-50% of their economy is based on exports to America.

Many Americans make the mistake of assuming that the Chinese government is fiiled with a bunch of crazy bastards, though there has been urging for years in American governmental circles to reevaluate the CHinese position as just being one of a vastly different paradigm.

The different paradigm is so different, though, that it is frequently impossible to predict what the Chinese gov't will do. If they see a trade advantage in a century by severing all ties with the United States today, for instance, then there's not a doubt in my mind they would do it.

[David Zephyr]

27. GW Bush Was Right After All: He's a Uniter, Not a Divider.

He united the entire planet into jointly hating, distrusting and fearing us. Quite an accomplishment.

[Deja Q]

33. Cool. One thing left to say now:

"We're beond recriminations now."

Smoke if you've got 'em.

[Bouncy Ball]

34. Why did I get chills when I read that?

:scared: