Vatican Names New San Antonio Archbishop (Involved w/Kerry Abortion Flap)

[Khephra]

SAN ANTONIO -- An auxiliary Roman Catholic bishop from Denver was named to replace retiring Archbishop Patrick Flores in San Antonio, the Vatican announced Wednesday.

Bishop Jose Horacio Gomez will replace Flores, who resigned because at 75, he is of the mandatory retirement age for Catholic bishops. The Vatican statement said that Pope John Paul II had accepted Flores' resignation.

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http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-brf-san-antonio-archbishop,0,1665246.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines

LINKS:

Colorado Senator Says Abortion Debate With Catholic Church "Private"
http://www.nysrighttolife.org/news/12232004/colorado_senator_says_abortion_d.htm

Gay Marriage Issues: Schisms Within the Nation and Church

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In addition, Chaput, along with assistant bishop Jose Gomez, issued a joint statement in support of Bush’s stance.

"Social science, the wisdom of our religious traditions and the simple common sense of our lived experience, all point in one direction - that marriage is the union of one man and one woman for the sake of raising children in a stable family, and it's vital for the well-being of society," the bishops' statement said.

70 evangelical pro-family leaders also vocally joined in the praise.

“We pledge to you that we will do everything in our power to inform and educate our constituents about the importance and urgency of this issue both for the preservation of the family in America as well as the right ordering of our government,” it reads. “We will speak on behalf of and to our communities encouraging their fullest participation in what must be a great national debate to preserve the sanctity of marriage and representative government.”

http://www.christianpost.com/article/church/749/full/gay.marriage.issues.schisms.within.the.nation.and.church/1.htm

Denver Archdiocese Severs Ties with Catholic Lawyers' Group over Award to Abortion Supporter
DENVER, December 21, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - This November, the controversy over pro-abortion Catholic politicians has ended the association of the Catholic Lawyer's Guild with the Denver Archdiocese. Every year, various branches of a Catholic lawyer's association around the world gather to celebrate their profession with the Red Mass, a tradition that goes back to the Middle Ages. In most dioceses, the bishop or his delegate celebrates the Red Mass and the Guild gives an award to a Catholic politician.

This year, the Denver group has invited pro-abortion Colorado Attorney General Ken Salazar, who won a Senate seat in the in the past election, to receive an award named for St. Thomas More, the group's patron. During his election campaign Salazar said that he would "defend the constitutional right" to abortion and that he did not support "mandatory waiting periods, spousal consent, biased counseling requirements or other extreme limits on abortion rights."

The Guild, in deciding to honor a pro-abortion politician, has raised the ire of the Archbishop of Denver, Charles Chaput who led the charge in the US episcopacy against John Kerry and other Catholic politicians' support of abortion. In response to the Guild's action, the diocese has pulled auxiliary bishop Jose Gomez from saying Mass at the Guild's annual dinner next month and has told them to find other accommodations for the dinner than the diocese's John Paul II Center for the New Evangelization.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/dec/04122103.html

Oh, and for all you tin-foilers, he's also been the Texas leader of Opus Dei for years.

[Malva Zebrina]

1. this is all political

and all the little people that sit in the pews on every Sunday, really believe they are following a religion based on idiology and they MUST vote against anyone the good Bishops tell them is a vote for the Christian way of life.

That is, to establish dominence over others in this country, who are in the minority, who do NOT have the same beliefs, but who, should the politics of the thing prevail, will be the victims of the religious majority who stomp and shout in front of women's health clinics to save the "baby"

There has been much talk about the religious right, but on this issue, I would say that even those who may be to the left, have bought it also. Women who have abortion are killing babies and the more fearful of them, unwilling to admit that they do believe that, say they are pro-choice, althougth they themselves think it is murder. A rather inconsistant position.

A fetus, even it is two weeks into gestation, has become in the minds of the pew sitters, a "baby".(and has a soul already, according to some beliefs--that "soul" which is the Christian "soul" and belongs only to them because they say so)

Anyone who thinks otherwise becomes, according to the belief, is a murderess, therefore those who seek to protect "life" of a multiple celled, unconcious blob of cells, are the holy righteous and those who do not believe in the same, and are practical, making decisions according to thier life situation, are murderesses. (please note that it is the female gender, and nothing is said about the male who at the least contributes to the impregnation)

They, in fact, become the most strident and the most dangerous, because of their adamant belief that they are going to go to a heaven after they die, if only they would vote against a person who is trying to be a leader of all the people and to take into consideration that women do have the right to control their own body and not surrender it to male hierophants, many of whom are proven pedophiles that have been sheltered from prosecution by that same religion, that declare their misogynistic right to take over and deny that responsibility for self authority, from that woman.

[DemBones DemBones]

2. Just one question: did you ever say "I'm going to have a baby'?

Or did you maintain throughout your pregnancies that there was no human being growing inside you, nothing but a "multiple celled, unconscious blob of cells" as you put it here?

Or is it only unwanted babies that aren't really babies?

[Malva Zebrina]

9. that is a straw man

of course a woman who wants a baby refers to a two week old blob of cells as her baby, Dem bones. It is her "baby" and she, the mother wants it. That is NOT saying it is a full blown human baby from the moment of conception just because she, or anyone else, calls it so.

this is a blob of cells, unconscious and unaware simply because it has not developed the physiological capability to be conscious and aware or to live on it's own.



It is a potential human baby and will be a human baby when it is born. and I do not think you want to get into the potentiality issue because it is a slippery slope.

I do not know how to demonstrate the misuse of language and how people succumb to such persuasions. It is mostly because of this bastardization of the language, that women's lives may soon be in jeapardy after this kind of guilt laden language gets repeated so often that indeed, the rightous religious believe that there are thousands of "babies" living in cryogenic test tubes---

Further there are women who never want to become a mother, a label also used to convey saint like status upon a woman who , doing nothing more than her natural biological function,gives birth. Motherhood is not the ultimate goal of many women and parenthood not the goal of many couples.

maybe pictures would help clear up the misuse of language




unconscious blob of cells



human fetus at six week gestation--probably measures an inch


human embryos

Now, tell me

Horse blastocyst


Is this a horse?

cat embryo

Is this a "kitten"?


of course not--what then do you call them?

[VegasWolf]

4. Good essay. I do think their major fear is of dying and going

to hell for eternity. Once one realizies that hell cannot
possibly exist, it all falls apart.

[Benhurst]

3. It's time for the Catholic Church to pay its fair share of taxes.

[Stevious]

5. exactly.

If they want to politicize the pulpit, then they need to lose their tax exemption.

[VegasWolf]

6. Let's not just stop with the Catholic Church, let's tax them all. n/t

[Benhurst]

7. Amen! NT

[mitchum]

8. Along with ALL of the other pulpit-dwelling grifters