Pope's prayer for tsunami victims

[emad]

BBC News

Pope John Paul II has prayed for the victims of last week's Indian Ocean wave disaster.

During his traditional New Year's Day message at St Peter's Basilica in Rome, he spoke of the "terrible calamity" which had befallen the region.

He noted "the movement of solidarity which is developing everywhere in the world" to help the victims.

Correspondents say the pontiff, 84, who is suffering from Parkinson's disease, was on good form.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4139665.stm

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1. POPE: GREETS 20,000 PARTICIPANTS ON SANT'EGIDIO MARCH

POPE: GREETS 20,000 PARTICIPANTS ON SANT'EGIDIO MARCH
(AGI) - Vatican City, Jan. 1 - A great crowd met today in San Pietro for the first Angelus of 2005. To the seven thousand faithful who were there, were added more than 20,000 participants in the peace march organised this morning by the Community' of Sant'Egidio. "Mary, Queen of Peace - the Pope greeted them from his window - help us to build together this fundamental good of peaceful human coexistence. Only in this way will the world be able to progress on the paths of justice and fraternal solidarity." "The Holy Virgin - recalled the Pope - offer the world the Messiah and the blessing of God for every man and for the whole world. On the basis of this blessing we send the good wishes of these days, wishing well, because in Christ God has given us every good; wishes for peace, because He is our peace." And really, "in this liturgical context - the Pope then concluded - is World Peace Day, which this year has as its subject the exhortation of the Apostle Paul: 'Don't let evil win, but use good to defeat evil'. The evil passes via human freedom and is defeated when this, under the power of grace, moves strongly towards good, which is, in conclusion, to God." -

http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200501011604-1095-RT1-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia

[oneighty]

4. Your Holiness Sir!

A question from the cheap seats. Why did God do that-the Tsunami I mean?

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[pretzel4gore]

7. not to mention the torrential rains

that started afterwards....sometimes belief in god is like belief in prunes (do they or don't they?) in terms of what you do when you have an answer...
the pope knows what happened on 911; he knows what bushinc is all about...he knows about the election in 2k, and 2k4.....he can pray all he wants but the herd is rushing about like gararene swine and if anyone has a responsibility (oh but those opus dei churchmen are HARD!) to lead them to safety it was the pope back in '01 or at least when bushinc planned the murder of iraq....i dropped away from the RC church and watching this pope reminds me that we're living in history, and the 'true person' we call god despises assholes who hide behind flags (bush) or an institution's ancient tradition (pope jp2)

[oneighty]

8. Do you believe

that this Pope speaks for himself? Are his spokesmen also deciding what the Pope says?

Do I care? Not really.

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[pretzel4gore]

11. me neither...

i'm just angry at the relentlessness of ignorance...maybe all John Paul does mouth for the public is carefully contrived statements, but treating history as if it's concocted in backrooms is bushit. the human race is powerful beyond belief, yet a disaster like we see in s. asia makes big powful men like bush etc look like they trying to fixup humpty dumpty, and that's a direct result of the philosophy dominating western society at present (it's not to say that fixing the tidal wave disaster could ever be easy, but just the shame factor alone has caused the powful elite to cough up billion plus, when they'd eagerly throw 100 billion plus into war) which pope jp2 has concurred with apparently
(fyi during john paul's visit to s. america few years ago, some people tried to introduce jp to a young girl whom the fascist police had set afire to punish her for...whatever it was. jp saw the girl and rushed by yawning and looking away...his heart into liberation for poland and east europe from commynism but fuk the peasants in rest of world fighting the ravages of greed)

[robbedvoter]

10. "the evil passed via human freedom? WTF?

:wtf:

[alcuno]

15. I think "human freedom" means free will.

That's what it says to me. I think we're overly sensitive to the use of the word freedom because it has been so misused by members of our government.

[Just Me]

61. He captured the capacity of humanity to choose,...

,...expressed his Love for humanity's potential,...and engaged his passsion to overcome those who diminish and/or advantage themselves of that one and only race, the human race.

I absolutely LOVE when religious leaders show the strength, rather than the weakness, of their spirituality. If I could give him a great, big hug,...I would.

[signmike]

2. Has Born Again Bush offered prayers?

Ever?

:shrug:

[emad]

3. Only to Satan

[LiberalCat]

5. Did he offer money?

The Vatican is its own country. They have lots of money.

[emad]

6. Had. Lost over $400 million when Banco Ambrosiano collapsed

and their CEO Roberto Calvi was found hanging under Blackfriars Bridge in the City of London, July 1982. Immediate suicide verdict....but overturned last year when Licio Gelli, Flavio Carboni and other were finally charged with his murder. Trial in Romer adjourned April 2004 after City of London police found "70 crates of previously unavailable evidence" re the P2 Lodge and where the money went.........

Vatican bank accounts also believed to have lost over $250 million in the Enron collapse....


Also, countless US and other dicesan bank accounts frozen in spate of child sex abuse scandals....

Vatican coffers pretty empty right now....

[DemBones DemBones]

24. See my post #21 below. nt

[saltpoint]

9. The Pope shines when no genitals are involved.

In a natural disaster like a tsunami, John Paul gives off an altruistic, big-picture vibe.

On a woman's right to choose, or lesbian and gay issues, the man is an old world hack, governed by a kind of Middle Ages fear of the body.

[Princess Turandot]

12. On women's issues et al

the Pope, also known as the Catholic Church, shares a lot in common with many conservative-orthodox groups in a whole bunch of other religions, some in doctrine and practice, and some in practice alone.
And some of them in the 21th Century will kill people in a sanctioned way in connection with those beliefs.

That doesn't make him more or less correct in his conservative views, but he is not a one person force causing millions of people worldwide to believe what they believe. Five billion people in the world are not Catholic and I don't see millions of them marching for gay or abortion rights around the world.

Why constantly single out Catholicism and turn this into a Catholic bashing thread? If this thread was about a Muslim Wahabi Cleric praying for the deceased, would you have made the same response?
Would you have responded that they 'shine' when they are not preaching hatred for non-Muslims? That them Taliban are just great when they aren't beating men for short beards, or shooting women in the head for who knows what?

I know that women were allowed to have abortions, since it appears to have been the primary form of birth control, in the case of the Soviet Union. How did gays fare in the old Soviet Union? Were they welcomed or persecuted? The Dalai Lhama seems like a pretty good guy to me, but he's living in exile because the 'politics' of Chinese communism doesn't make it safe for him to return to Tibet.

American Catholics ignore the Vatican's positions on quite a few things, including non-married heterosexual sex and the use of birth control. Despite the views of people on DU, I think that many people who are opposed to abortion or gay rights are not doing so in response to an order from a religious leader, whomever it is. And overcoming those views is not going to be accomplished by endless trashing of religion, no matter how good that makes you feel or how cathartic it may be for you.

[AngryOldDem]

13. Excellent post

[VegasWolf]

14. but, Princess, the Pope is just a man, and as a leader he should

be subject to criticism for his actions, both good and bad.

[DemBones DemBones]

23. A lot of posts here attack the Catholic Church's teachings and

the beliefs of Catholics.

Imagine what would happen if someone attacked the Jewish belief that they are God's chosen people and are entitled to the land in Israel? Delete! Possible tombstone.

Imagine what would happen is someone attacked the Muslim belief that the only God is Allah and Muhammed is his prophet? Delete! Possible tombstone.

[alcuno]

29. My mom says that others are jealous because we have the Holy Father

and they don't. On Christmas Eve, what is the symbol beamed around the world? Christmas Eve mass at the Vatican. I must have missed the worldwide broadcast of Bob Jones, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham.

[emad]

49. Humbug. Detractors of religion invariably point out that there

is no historical or archaeological evidence for anything in the old or new testament and that flaws in attributing events mentioned in the Koran are in the same vein.

All religions promise something in a putative afterlife in exchnage for blind obedience in this one, regular cash contributions and a slavish adherence to nonsensical conditions imposed on lifestyle, especially on choices regarding women and sex.

A good case in point is Islam's and the Mormon church's ridiculous stance on polygamy.

Can you imagine the furore that would result if conditions were reversed and spiritual elders in these cults suddenly pronounced a reversal whereby women were allowed multiple husbands/life partners and men were crushed into subjugation?

And as for Scientology and the Kabbala, these 10% collection cults prey on the impressionable by promoting a kind of mystical exclusivity that has no bearing on real life other than on those who have a need to seek status in peer groups outside their own confined lives.

[ElectroPrincess]

51. It saddens me also ... but those of us remaining Liberal Catholics

Must press home the ORIGINAL intent of Christianity. We do not convert people with money or pressure but only through a pure heart and kind works withOUT conditions.

The only area that I disagree with the Pope is in the area of equality for our homosexual parishioners. I personally do not believe in abortion nor execution. However, the difference between myself and other Catholics is that I do NOT preach or work through governmental action to FORCE my Catholic beliefs on others. Yes, the vast majority of the liberal Christian community believes in the separation of Church and State.

Although I respect The Pope and other Patriarchal hierarchy of the Catholic Church, I also do not identify with their methods and heavy handed approach to moral issues. IMHO you can NOT force people to behave in a manner that you wish but instead must provide a living example of charity through your own good works and interactions with others. And yeah, that it through PRIVATE means, not through governmental legislation.

My point: Fellow DUers, please hesitate to ostracize the significant number of America's Liberal Christians. By our very nature, we are anti-authoritarian. That is, we work with small budgets, in small groups and not through large organizations with domineering media-savvy voices.

[GoBlue]

55. Not true....

"We do not convert people with money or pressure but only through a pure heart and kind works withOUT conditions.. "

One must believe that Jesus is a messiah. That is an absolute CONDITION of Christianity.

[demosincebirth]

62. I can just imagine ! Good post DemDem

[AngryOldDem]

56. Fine -- hold him accountable for his actions

Like any fallible human being, the Pope makes mistakes (and I know what papal infallibility means here, so I don't need a lecture in terminology).

But holding him accountable does NOT mean holding him up to ridicule.

What is so hard for people here to understand? Criticism does not equate to insults or belittling. What, may I ask, is so wrong for the Pope to offer his prayers to the tsunami victims? I suppose if he had not, he would also come in for his fair share of bashing.

And DemBones is correct -- if ANY OTHER group took as much crap as the Catholic faith does here -- namely gays, Moslems, and women -- those posts would barely see five minutes of existence, let alone these threads that go on virtually unchecked for hundreds of posts. Call me a whiner, but the history of intolerance toward Roman Catholicism pretty much speaks for itself.

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[VegasWolf]

18. Where exactly did emad say anything negative? All she posted

were a few snippets from a news article. Are you
saying that people can't post articles about the catholic church
because you find them offensive?

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[VegasWolf]

22. DemBones, no I hadn't noticed a pattern,

but I'm not sensitive to religious issues. If I felt that
I was being picked on I wouldn't care either.

Peace.

[DemBones DemBones]

25. You would if you paid attention to

religious issues, believe me. There are a lot of anti-Christian posters, and many who are specifically anti-Catholic.

I choose not to let it roll off my back because it's injustice and I stand up against any injustice, even when it's not my ox that's being gored.

Peace to you.

[alcuno]

30. The Catholics get lumped in with the fundies.

And we don't deserve that. You are right about the negative Catholic postings. ANYTHING the Holy Father says leads to comments about the pedophiles in the priesthood or the Church's stance on abortion.

[Violet_Crumble]

32. I suspect there's some hyper-sensitivity at play...

Can you point out to me where the person who started the thread made any negative comment at all about Catholics? Yr the one who brought it all up in this thread...

I've been at DU a long time, and there's lots of members who aren't religious, including myself. That makes us anti-religion, not anti-Christian or anti-Catholic. Or are you saying that if someone doesn't embrace religion that makes them anti-Christian??



Violet...

[Princess Turandot]

43. And I suspect there's some denial at play here..

Did you read the responses on this thread..which said things like 'The Pope shines when no genitals are involved.' I don't think it takes hyper-sensitivity to recognize that that comment, along with others in this thread, was flaming Catholics.

I don't read all threads related to religion, but I have a hard time believing that ones that start with comments like 'so do you really believe in the Immaculate Conception' are intended to do anything but bait Catholics. Almost any thread that relates to Catholics in any way, shape or form sooner or later draws a priestly pedophile comment, which are almost always out of context. Threads about Muslims don't seem to draw comments decrying that 'fucking group of fanatics who destroyed the WTC.' I haven't seen anyone ask 'so do you really believe that the prophet Mohammed ascended to heaven on a white horse from Jerusalem', where I believe the 'Dome of the Rock' now stands. If they did, many DU'ers would jump on the poster for being a flamer or bigot. Comments about pedophile priests don't draw flame bait responses like 'geez, weren't a lot of those priests actually gay 'pederasts'?". Posts like that would draw responses accusing the writer of being a bigot, freeper & a homophobe.


My comments, as well as the ones of other Catholics here, absolutely do not say that others who are irreligious, agnostic or atheist are automatically defined as anti-Catholic. Personally, I could not care less whether anyone on this board worships a rock, Buddha, Shiva, Jesus or nothing at all. I celebrate diversity. I find other religions fascinating; I admit that I don't think all that much abt atheists because I don't find their lack of beliefs interesting, although I certainly respect their rights to have them.

But being irreligious, agnostic or an atheist does not give anyone a free pass in my mind to mock other peoples' beliefs, especially when they are mocking people of good will. And there are posters who do that to Catholics here on a regular basis.

I don't believe that all DU'ers are anti-Catholic, but what I do believe is that most of them will not speak out against the vocal subset of anti-Catholic bigots on this board. I guess I've lived a sheltered life in NYC, but outside of Bob Jones I,II and III, I was shocked to find out how anti-Catholic so many people in the US are. And the saddest thing of all was that I learned that by reading remarks by DU'ers, not sermons by Ian Paisley.

[Violet_Crumble]

58. I didn't realise the Pope was a member of DU...

'The Pope shines when no genitals are involved.' I don't think it takes hyper-sensitivity to recognize that that comment, along with others in this thread, was flaming Catholics.

Criticism of the Vatican's stance regarding women and homosexuality is 'flaming Catholics'? I'm not seeing where that's flaming Catholics at all. It's the same as someone criticising Bush and being told that because he's the US President, they're 'flaming US citizens'. Is criticism of Islam regarding its attitudes towards women also considered by you to be 'flaming Muslims'?

I don't read all threads related to religion, but I have a hard time believing that ones that start with comments like 'so do you really believe in the Immaculate Conception' are intended to do anything but bait Catholics.

The reality is that there's many of us who don't believe in stuff like the immaculate conception, and I'd be thinking we have just as much right to voice our disbelief as you have to voice yr belief. Does that also mean that you think that threads that start with someone voicing their belief in a deity are intended to bait atheists?

Threads about Muslims don't seem to draw comments decrying that 'fucking group of fanatics who destroyed the WTC.' I haven't seen anyone ask 'so do you really believe that the prophet Mohammed ascended to heaven on a white horse from Jerusalem', where I believe the 'Dome of the Rock' now stands. If they did, many DU'ers would jump on the poster for being a flamer or bigot.

Uh, I'd be the first to stand by a comment like 'so do you really believe that the prophet mohammed ascended to heaven on a white horse from Jerusalem' because it's not a bigoted thing to say. I'll tell you what is bigoted stuff to say though - Followers of Islam are followers of hatred and death. Or how about the post I read a few days ago in a tsunami thread, which strongly implied that unlike those of other religions, Muslims aren't interested in assisting each other. Or the one that claimed that the Qu'ran teaches Muslims to lie and to kill non-Muslims?

But being irreligious, agnostic or an atheist does not give anyone a free pass in my mind to mock other peoples' beliefs, especially when they are mocking people of good will.

But the problem seems to be that for some religious folk, voicing a disbelief in god is seen as mocking other peoples' beliefs. I generally steer well clear of religious debates at DU, but I've had that accusation flung at me in the I/P forum once, where I was told I was mocking this persons beliefs and was called one of the legion of the godless blah blah blah, all because I mentioned in a post to another DUer that I was an atheist and wouldn't swear any oath to a god I don't believe in. For some (and I'm not aiming this at you as I don't know you), any criticism of any aspect of the religion they follow is seen as mocking them personally because they're unable to draw a distinction between themselves as an individual and the religion they follow....

Violet...

[demosincebirth]

63. THANK YOU, PRINCESS!!!

[Violet_Crumble]

67. THANK YOU, AUGIE!!!

Thanks for kicking this thread so it can be kept alive in the hope that Princessturandot will come back and reply to my post in this thread, rather than do it in another thread elsewhere at DU...


Violet...

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[AngryOldDem]

57. What is offensive...

...is the way in which these articles are discussed once they are posted.

[DemBones DemBones]

26. I agree wholedheartedly! Check your inbox in a bit

as I'll send you a PM.

[saltpoint]

27. I bash no Catholics in my response to the original post.

I DO knock the Pope because he appeals for altruism and mercy on one hand when a natural disaster occurs, but on the other, he rails against freedom of sexual expression and a woman's right to choose.

These are not "bashings."

I called the Pope to task on his publicly-stated positions.

[alcuno]

31. Abortion is considered a sin in the Catholic Church.

It's not a political position until it becomes about the law and not about morality.

[Violet_Crumble]

33. So what? I'm not a Catholic..

So why is the Catholic church trying to shove its morality down my throat when it comes to my reproductive rights? I've got no problems with them telling Catholics what they should find *moral*, but they can bugger off when it comes to the rest of us...

Violet...

[alcuno]

37. Sorry, I'm not seeing it.

The Catholic Church trying to "shove" its morality down your throat. I have never heard the Holy Father rail against American law and Row v. Wade. Abortion? Yes.

[Violet_Crumble]

40. Let me make it even clearer for you then...

I am not a Catholic...

The Catholic Church considers abortion a sin and despite yr protestations does work on a political level to deny women their right to reproductive freedom...

I don't give a flying toss about the Catholic Church and its view of what's moral or immoral...

So tell me why the Catholic Church thinks it has a right to tell non-Catholics that abortion is immoral, and more than that, work to deny abortion as an option for all those non-Catholics?

Violet...

[alcuno]

45. Repeating yourself does not make you clearer, it makes you redundant.

The Holy Father has no right to tell you what is moral or immoral unless you give it to him. But he believes that we are all children of God and so he speaks to all of us on many issues.

Abortion is legal in countries all over the world. We're so self-invloved in this country that everytime the Pope speaks, we seem to think he's taking aim only at Americans.

[Violet_Crumble]

59. Or more possibly it means you refuse to understand...

There's nothing particularly difficult to understand about it. I don't give the Pope or any other religious leader the right to tell me what is moral or immoral for me as someone who isn't a follower of their religion. But guess what? They still insist on doing it!

What's with the 'we' and 'Americans'? I'm an Australian and I live in a part of the country where all restrictions on abortion were repealed. But if yr still insisting the catholic church doesn't involve itself politically in regards to abortion, yr very incorrect. Would you like me to start providing you with links to submissions from the catholic church to government committees every time the issue of abortion raises its head politically? I also provided a link in another post in this thread to a site that discusses the politics of the Vatican and its attempts on UN committees to restrict abortion to women around the world...

Violet...

[ElectroPrincess]

53. The LEADERSHIP of the Catholic Church perhaps but

the TRUE essence of the Catholic faith also represents those of us to the left of center who are NOT in any way, shape or form attempting to FORCE our beliefs on you.

Please read my post above (#51) and attempt to recognize that there are many Catholics who are profoundly disappointed in our leadership.

Why haven't we just "given up" on our faith entirely? Because we love our FAITH but know that our present leadership is in error (mere mortals).

Besides (injecting a little humor here) God hates a quitter! LOL

[Violet_Crumble]

60. Well said, ElectroPrincess...

But I didn't need to read yr post in this thread to already know that there are many catholics profoundly disappointed in the leadership. I've known that for a long time. I personally agree totally with what you said and think that no-one should expect you to give up yr faith, or, as I've seen from a few Catholics over at Yahoo, demand that you leave the church because you don't agree with everything the leaders of the church believe. If everyone who questions any aspect of the leadership just gives up, then there's no chance of the church's stance changing at all...

Violet...

[CHIMO]

34. Would You Kindly

Provide your reference.

[alcuno]

36. To what?

[CHIMO]

38. To Your Statement

That abortion is considered a sin in the Catholic Church.

[alcuno]

46. Well.

You are right. The Church does not have a list of sins but rather sin is within the heart and soul of the individual. Catholic teaching would say that if you don't consider it to be a sin, it's not. However, since Catholics are told that life (not a life) begins at conception and are indoctrinated about abortion through various means, it's hard to imagine a Catholic who would not consider abortion to be a sin.

It may be written down. I'll have to look.

[saltpoint]

35. The Pope's profile is unabashedly political.

For around 2,000 years the Catholic Church and politics are virtually synonymous.

I defy you to study world history or the history of Catholicism without discovering that they are interlinked.


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[Violet_Crumble]

42. Of course it is...

The Vatican even has a seat at the UN as a permanent observer, where it will join the US on committees trying to restrict healthcare for women...

http://www.wcla.org/99-summer/see_change.html

Violet...

[emad]

48. Your views are valid but not shared by the law enforcement

professionals who have dealt with organised crime in the Catholic Church for the past 50 years.

The murder trial of God's Banker Roberto Calvi is a good case in point.

23 years of previously suborned evidence is about to be heard in open court in Rome where senior members of the disgusting P2 Lodge have to account for their criminal activities since 1958.

This follows the City of London's police handing over a cited (UK and worldwide press, agencies, websites etc) 70 crates of detailed evidence about organised crime in the Catholic Church.

One appalling line of evidence coming through is that during the Cold War the KGB ran all terrorism, corruption and crime in Europe, and some in the US, Asia and elsewhere.

That Shrub and Poodle were able to slime his way into office so easily is living proof of this.

I expect both are shi**ing themselves now the murder trial is about to resume and publicly discuss all those politicians now in high office who were bankrolled throughout the 70s and 80s into their current positions.

As will many high office clerics currently enjoying Papal favours and supposed immunity from prosecution - viz Cardinal Marcinkus, who got an immunity certificate from Bush 1 on the grounds that the Calvi murder was patently suicide, with no accomplices involved.

[radwriter0555]

16. The victims would be served better with some of the church's wealth..

since they're the wealthiest state per capita on the planet.

The church has a few zillion they could part with, that wouldn't even make a dent in their coffers.

[alcuno]

20. I give a lot of credit to the Catholic Church and related organizations

in their work for the poor. We are constantly having special collections for the St. Vincent de Paul Society and sister parishes in developing nations. I still remember during Lent we were encouraged to fast and abstain and give the money that would have been spent on food for us for food for the poor.

I know that a lot of people here have big problems with the Catholic Church, but their commitment to the poor should not be one of them.

[DemBones DemBones]

21. The Pope has set up a special fund for tsunami victims.

Bush** pledged $35 Million for the disaster area.

Catholic Relief Services pledged $25 Million for the disaster area.

Bush** has increased his pledge for US funds but we know he has a history of promising money that's never delivered.

Catholic Relief Services, which is just one Catholic charity in the US, already has the $25 Million they've pledged and they are getting about $2.4 Million a DAY in pledged donations earmarked for South Asia.

Catholics put their money where their belief is: in helping others.

[demosincebirth]

65. Catholic Relief Agency (U.S) has already supplied $25million, just to .

start, and that does not include personnel...its more than some oil rich middle eastern countries.

[goforit]

28. Today......not one religious leader in the world can hold water.

The Pope of many sins!!!

[aikido15]

39. Fuck the pope...

I am so sick of all this GOD shit. Religion is probably the single most effective way to control people and politics...it sucks, it's wrong, and the Pope along with every other leader of organized religion and fascists regimes (Bush) can go to whatever hell they believe in. grrrrrrrr:mad:

[CHIMO]

41. I Would Say

That you could be in a dangerous position, depending of course on your sex.
Or maybe not?

[0007]

44. Who was trying to fix the world and fucked up?

God or the Pope or those religious nuts that pray all the time?

[Name removed]

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[ElectroPrincess]

54. I'm intelligent enough to know when reason falls on deaf ears ...

I'm wasting precious time attempting to reach many Democrats here. All I can do constructive is to send out my goodwill your way and focus my efforts elsewhere ... where I hope and pray may make a difference ... to make this life a little more comfortable for those who are unwanted and ostracized from society.

Peace be with you ;)

[Bridget Burke]

64. There's a small & malignant minority here.....

They do not represent all of DU.

You'll learn to ignore them.

[demosincebirth]

66. I guess the malignancy is spreading from the r/w.

I wish there was some sort of spray for it.