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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 05:59 AM
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Shiite resurgence fuels concerns of civil war
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Iraq/Shiite-resurgence-fuels-concerns-of-civil-war/2005/01/03/1104601295816.html?oneclick=true

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Sectarian divisions threaten to worsen Iraq's unrest, with majority Shiite Muslims poised for political dominance and many Sunni Arabs boycotting the coming election or too afraid to vote.

Engaging the minority Sunnis, who have dominated Iraqi politics for eight decades but now fear a Shiite clerical resurgence, is vital for national stability.

Several politicians have warned that if the Sunnis are sidelined, a Lebanese-style sectarian quota system for government posts could push Iraq towards civil war.

The warning came as US Secretary of State Colin Powell foreshadowed more violence before Iraq's January 30 elections.

"We're going to see car bombs. We're going to see this terrible kind of attack take place even more as we get closer to the election," Mr Powell said. "The people conducting these attacks don't want to see an election. They don't want to see democracy."

... no colin, they want to see the US GONE! :eyes:
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 06:07 AM
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1. Can't people see the media and administration
are just building up the civil war boogey man so the US military can go in and wipe out the Sunnis?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 06:17 AM
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2. an interesting idea, but why?
Why would Bushco want all the Sunnis wiped out? I don't understand how that would help bring democracy to Iraq-more likely it would bring the entire Muslim world in a war against us, as the Sunni sect of Islam is by far the largest. Or do you think this is really Bush's plan?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 06:19 AM
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3. It will delight his "end-times" Christian base........
By ushering in the Second Coming, doncha know........
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KingChicken Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 07:02 AM
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4. Iraqis are quite capable of dealing with Civil issues minus Americans.
I think if we get rid of the source of the problem in Iraq (Americans), then the environment is much more likely to harbor a peaceful solution.

We've already fucked up the country, staying is only going to make it worse, we have no choice but to leave.
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GHOSTDANCER Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:24 PM
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10. And I don't think you could even call it a civil war really while.....
under occupation by the US, do you? The US will pick a side and define the opposing side with some colorful and misleading new word, and bomb them while the cameras are focused on something else, the Tsunami or Kobe's new affair or lacy Peterson or some bullshit. maybe they will set up OJ with a new murder, o I can't wait.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:03 AM
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5. Colin Powell and Nostradamus have a lot in common in predicting
the future.

Powell foreshadowed more violence before Iraq's January 30 elections.

Colin is a very savvy man with a long long nose!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:14 AM
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6. Civil War in Iraq
is another fear tactic used by BushCo to keep the U.S. in Iraq.
After the election the U.S. will stay to protect the Democratic Republic of Iraq. Any resistence to that will be met with violent force and those that are resisting will no longer be called insurgents but terrorists. There will be a U.S. presence in Iraq for at least 50 years.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:21 AM
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7. 50 years, or until all of their oil is stolen. Whichever comes first n/t
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:29 PM
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11. 50 years oughta do it
bush is more fixated on securing the oil supply for the next 20. 50 is unreal to him since he'll be dead.

scientists: please don't invent a way to put his brain (or cheney's) into a robot when his body dies.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:28 AM
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8. more buash Cartel total BULLSHIT.
There is NO "sectarian divide" between Sunni & Shia. OTher than what the bush Cartel can cause.

NO the Sunni don't "fear a Shi ite clerical resurgence".

The SUNNI and the SHIA say this is ALL BULLSHIT from the bush Cartel.

ONLY BUSH CARTEL keep saying "civil war civil war civil war!"

BULLSHIT.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:16 PM
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9. agreed. bushit* NEEDS a civil war....
in order to stay there indefinately! Though how they think they can actually get any oil while all the shit is going on is beyond me. More insane neo-con dreams.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:32 PM
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12. Not So, Ma'am
he division is deep and real; it has produced great violence in the past and will do so again....
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 04:31 PM
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24. Not so, sir.
Not between Shia & Sunni.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:32 PM
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13. we're going to be on the Shiites' side
which means the pro-war propagandists are going to have to figure out a way to make the Mullahs look like heros.

I can't wait, it should be interesting...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:38 PM
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14. It Will Be A Challenge, Sir
To the functionaries of the Ministry of Truth. It is worth recalling that for a quarter century at least, the chief aim of U.S. policy in the land between the rivers was the prevention of Shia dominance....
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:00 PM
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15. Most Americans over 40 still have a bad case of Ayatollahitis
If Bush and his spinmeisters can convince America that it was a good idea to invade Iraq, with all the costs, both in lives and dollars, to put an Ayatollah in charge of the place I will truly be amazed.

Don

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:26 PM
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16. Indeed, My Friend
It would be a truely amazing feat....
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:55 PM
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20. Magistrate, good to see you again
I always enjoy your posts.

:hi:

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:38 PM
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17. Concerns of a civil war? By the looks of things a civil war is
in full swing right now. How else does one describe the ongoing wholesale slaughter of the police, military and government officials?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:48 PM
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18. This is one analysis.
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 02:49 PM by igil
Albeit usually a conservative analysis. Still ...

Fortunately, the civil war is primarily Sunni + American versus Sunni Arab. I say fortunately because the Shi'a and Kurds are only tangentially involved, and I suspect it could easily be worse.

I'm rooting for the Kurds (to the extent I root for anybody, at least in this particular ... um ... gee, I can't find the right word).

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:55 PM
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19. That analysis is rather optimistic and narrow.
Hell,don't forget, they were on the verge of calling the LA riot a civil war. It can't be very much longer before an accurate assessment of how bad things have become in Iraq leaks out.
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:04 PM
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21. And he forgot to mention the attacks will continue getting worse...
after the election. They always act as if these milestones of "progress" will reduce violence, but it only makes the insurgents more determined.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:16 PM
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22. so the people who don't want to see an election would be the sunni's
so why aren't we bombing the sunni's areas. why are we bombing the shiite areas, they would seem to want the election. this is kinda weird isn't it.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:48 PM
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23. Sunnis are more religiously secular
than Shiites. It is becoming clear that the goal of the Bush administration is to go all out for religious war the end result power and control. We will be hearing more and more that the US is a Judeo-Christian nation perpetuating a continual religious war in the mid-east.
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