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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:32 PM
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Remote viewing Andaman-Nicobar tribals refuse to come out from jungles
Remote viewing Andaman-Nicobar tribals refuse to come out from jungles

India Daily
Jan 4, 2004


Indian Government finally confirms that threatened tribal aborigines are safe in Andaman – Nicobar islands – they sensed it coming and moved to higher grounds. They are not coming out from jungles in spite of repeated insistence of the Government.

New fresh earthquakes shook the islands in the mean time. The tribals have communicated that the devastation based on their remote viewing techniques have not ended.

An earthquake of moderate intensity occurred off the coast of Great Nicobar Island in the early hours on Tuesday, Indian Meteorological Department (IMD) said. The tremor measuring 5.3 on the Richter scale was recorded at 1.06 am. The epicentre of the quake was at 6.2 degrees north latitude and 92.2 degrees east longitude, IMD added.

Indian coast guard and military personnel finally confirmed after reaching all the islands in Nicobar and Andaman islands that most of the threatened tribal aborigines are fine. They moved to higher grounds sensing the earthquakes.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-04h-05.asp
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:38 PM
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1. perhaps we all need to get in contact
with our primitive selves? Thanks for this.. fascinating.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:46 PM
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7. I thought it interesting
in light of the "Where are the dead animals?" stories from Sri Lanka.

The Andaman Islanders have inhabited their land since the Pleistocene Period. I'm sure they have a sense of their place most of us couldn't understand.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 07:41 PM
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18. they are not without fatalities there, though, the #'s are unknown.
Just like the 3700 Americans that no one wants to call "missing".


"Officials say most of these aboriginal groups probably escaped the tsunami either because they were scattered in the jungles or their islands were not hit — but there has not been any real survey.

At least 5,000 people are feared to have died in the emerald Islands, mostly Nicobarese, the largest tribal group who were living in villages along the coastline."

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1181185,001301540007.htm

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 07:43 PM
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19. and for a complete contradiction of that ...
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 07:44 PM by jdj
"India News]: New Delhi, Dec 30 : Contrary to fears about their perishing in the deadly Tsunami strike, the Sentenlese, one of the six small aboriginal groups inhabiting the Anadaman and Nicobar Islands, are alive, the Coast Guard said today.

The pilot of a Coast Guard helicopter which had gone to Sentenelese Island today saw a large number of the aborigines there, DG Coast Guard Vice Admiral A K Singh said.

He said the Coast Guard has not yet received report of a single casualties among the other tribes--the Onges, Shompens, Jarawas and Nicobarese.

These separate tribes are the modern world's final remaining links to primitive civilisations."

http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=52805

being that this is several days old that may be why they had not found the casualties on Nicobar. Ironically, the Nicobarese, who have been christianized, seem to have suffered the most casualties.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:41 PM
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2. People whose education is the experience of nature, not man's toys, ...
... could see and understand the warning offered by the water's recession. :shrug:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:44 PM
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5. :-)
:yourock:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:42 PM
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3. "They sensed it coming" does not comport with remote viewing
Perhaps they "extrasensoried it coming"? ;)

I think these people have an incredible affinity for the earth. Like the animals, their "intuition" is actually based on accepting and interpreting information at a subconscious level, which bubbles up to the conscious level in the form of the "inner voice" which many of us are familiar with. (I'm not saying animals hear voices; I'm saying animals react instinctively without intellectual rationalizations.)

The difference being, of course, these folks have the good sense to listen to that inner voice.

As for remote viewing, well, huh. Don't let psy ops get hold of them.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:45 PM
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6. What's "remote viewing"? n/t
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:51 PM
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9. The Pentagon knows:
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 12:56 PM by Minstrel Boy
Scare crazy

The Scotsman
Nov 13, 2004


...

Ronson began his journey into the US army’s heart of cerebral darkness in London, where he got a tip from Uri Geller - the psychic famed for bending spoons on TV in the 1970s. "Under Clinton, the nuttiness was at the fringes but the dynamic changed when the Bushes got into power and it felt like the nuttiness was now at the core of things," Ronson tells me at his Soho club. "So I started asking around and then I heard about remote viewers and psychic spies and, right here on the roof terrace in this building, Uri Geller told me that he’d been ‘re-activated’."

I ask why the US military might have brought Geller back in from the cold. The simple answer is that Geller once belonged to an unofficial unit of psychic spies, formed in the 1970s to read the future and conduct experiments into the supernatural for the US military. Geller’s tip led Ronson to Glenn Wheaton, a retired sergeant and former Special Forces psychic spy who confirmed that the military funded this unofficial unit. There was more to the psychics, however, than trying to "remotely access" Soviet weapons plans or predict China’s next move. They were looking at new forms of warfare, including walking through walls, adopting a cloak of invisibility, even stopping an animal’s heartbeat by staring at it.

Wheaton told Ronson about a "goat lab" where the staring took place and this led him to General Stubblebine III, the army’s chief of intelligence in the 1980s. The General is a big fan of Geller and in Ronson’s documentary lays out a whole trayful of twisted cutlery as evidence of his faith. Stubblebine, says Ronson, was so convinced about these ideas that he spent several weeks trying to conjure up a mental state that would enable him to walk through walls. He never succeeded, but became a powerful advocate of New Age thought.

Ronson is smiling across the table as we discuss the debleated goats he discovered at an army base in Fort Mead, North Carolina, but his story has the darkest of undertones. "It felt as if I was really finding this stuff out for the first time," he says. "No-one knows about the goats. They’re completely new and the guy who told me immediately regretted it."

...

http://news.scotsman.com/features.cfm?id=1310082004


"Psychic spy" Joseph McMoneagle:

After Basic Training at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, I was recruited into the Army Security Agency and received my advanced training at Fort Devens, Massachusetts, where I saw my first snow fall. I graduated first in my class, which earned me a Corporal grade, but more importantly, a first assignment to Eleuthera in the Bahamas. The rest of my class was block-allocated to the Republic of South Vietnam, a place I would eventually get to visit some years later. I subsequently served 13 consecutive years overseas, with assignments that took me to more than twenty different countries and hundreds of different cities.

I returned to America in late 1977, accepting a commission as a Warrant Officer, as well as an assignment to Headquarters, Intelligence and Security Command. Less than a year later I was recruited as Remote Viewer #001 of the very black and very sensitive Psychic Spy unit now known as STARGATE. As one of the original viewers with that unit, I helped design and build an effective paranormal collection and support unit that serviced nearly all major Intelligence Agencies within the Federal Government for a period exceeding seventeen years.
http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:53 PM
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11. Is that why Geller was Michael Jackson's best friend?
;-)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 01:27 PM
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12. Booooooo!
:hi:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:14 PM
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14. Remote Behavioral Influence Technology Evidence (178 citations)
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:43 PM
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4. Really interesting, thanks
Shooting arrows at a Coast Guard helicopter...wow.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:49 PM
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8. Perhaps instead of badgering these people to come out the
authorities should ask them about what signs they are interpreting and when to recognize the end of the period of danger.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:53 PM
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10. Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute (TBGRI), Thiruvananthapuram


The medicinal plants garden has been renovated and a new physic garden named after "ltti Achuthan a local medicinal practitioner of Kerala has been established.
http://envfor.nic.in/report/0001/chap08.html

:hi:



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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:52 PM
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13. Sea Gypsies
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/01/01/sea.gypsies.ap/

Report: Sea gypsies' knowledge saves village
Newspaper says Thai fishermen warned of tidal wave

Saturday, January 1, 2005 Posted: 6:25 PM EST (2325 GMT)

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Knowledge of the ocean and its currents passed down from generation to generation of a group of Thai fishermen known as the Morgan sea gypsies saved an entire village from the Asian tsunami, a newspaper said Saturday.

By the time killer waves crashed over southern Thailand last Sunday the entire 181 population of their fishing village had fled to a temple in the mountains of South Surin Island, English language Thai daily The Nation reported.

"The elders told us that if the water recedes fast it will reappear in the same quantity in which it disappeared," 65-year-old village chief Sarmao Kathalay told the paper.

So while in some places along the southern coast, Thais headed to the beach when the sea drained out of beaches -- the first sign of the impending tsunami -- to pick up fish left flapping on the sand, the gypsies headed for the hills...cont'd
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bin.dare Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:15 PM
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15. here is a great piece by Gary Leupp
http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp01042005.html

When Worlds Die With Them
Death and Life in the Andaman Islands
By GARY LEUPP

...
ASI director V. R. Rao informs us that the "tribals get wind of impending danger from biological warning signals like the cry of birds and change in the behavioural patterns of marine animals. They must have run to the forests for safety. No casualties have been reported among these five tribes ." If this is true, as one hopes, it suggests that the diminishing number of humans enjoying what Marx called "primitive communism" require not officials, anthropologists, missionaries or alien humanitarians for their happiness or survival so much as the right to be left alone in their Stone Age classless societies.

"No better than wild beasts," wrote Marco Polo, reflecting his civilized and Christian biases. Perhaps that's not so much of an insult. Stone Age humans in touch with nature, able to read its signs in birds and fish, may have much to teach those of us out of touch, and to abet the preservation of the whole species. But how to acquire their wisdom, without deluging them under ours?

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 07:17 PM
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16. not so surprising
scientists told us years ago -- before they destroyed the culture -- that the kung bushen of south africa were the happiest, most well adjusted people on earth.
and they lived in the kalahari.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 07:27 PM
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17. There are many tribal groups with various degrees of contact
with surrounding society, I heard on NPR yesterday that when the Indian Coast Guard flew over one of the islands they were met with a barrage of arrows from one of the primitive non-contact groups, so hopefully they are okay, however I also read that some were greatly affected by the tsunami, here's a link on 5 of the groups:

http://www.and.nic.in/C_charter/Dir_tw/pri_tri.htm

then sentenelese are probably the ones that shot the arrows at the coast guard and refuse to leave:

"The Sentinelese are the inhabitants of North Sentinel Island. The area is about 60 Sq. Kilometers. They are probably the world’s only Paleolithic people surviving today without contact with any other group or community. They are considered as an off-shoot to the Onge Jarawa tribes which have acquired a different identity due to their habitation in an isolated and have lost contact with the main tribes. The Sentinelese are very hostile and never leave their Island. Very little is known about these hostile tribes." (from above link)


but other groups are more assimilated and some are welfare dependent.

Here is an article on the effects of tsunami on those islands:

http://www.and.nic.in/earthquake.htm

and on the Andaman and Nicobar islands in general

http://www.and.nic.in
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 07:43 PM
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20. wow.....
and i had thought that these tribes were completely wiped out by the tsunami....amazing.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:39 PM
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21. A real X-file...
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