Anti-Semitism Rising, State Dept. Says

[Annus Horribilis]

Anti-Semitism Rising, State Dept. Says

43 minutes ago

By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - A rise in the number of Muslims in Western Europe, many of them poor and uneducated, is contributing to an increase in already deeply rooted anti-Semitism there, the State Department said in a report to Congress.

However, far-right groups still account for a significant proportion of attacks on Jews and Jewish property, the report said.

In eastern Europe, skinheads and other members of the radical political fringe are responsible for most anti-Semitic incidents, according to the report, obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press.

In Russia, Belarus and elsewhere in the former Soviet Union, anti-Semitism remained a serious problem, with most incidents carried out by ultra-nationalists and other far-right elements.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&u=/ap/20050104/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anti_semitism_1&printer=1

[Jacobin]

1. Well, nobody has invaded a Jewish Country lately

Seems to me that Anti-Muslim feelings are all the rage at the moment.

But, of course, there is no shame in being Anti-muslim, only at suggesting that Likkudnicks are somehow not doing the right thing. Then you get jumped.

[ooglymoogly]

13. i agree, it would not matter if irael was inhabited by hindu's or greeks

if they have massive spy operations in this country and manipulate our govt into fighting their wars to steal land then people are not going to like them and they will scream anti semitism; but not liking someone because they are whatever color or religious persuasion is bullshit.

[drdon326]

20. This is an amazing post...

"they have massive spy operations in this country"...any proof of this??

"manipulate our govt into fighting their wars to steal land "...opinion or fact??

You seem a somewhat biased in this matter but is this based on fact or myth?

[Califooyah Operative]

23. i'm really trying not to get into this flamebait, but....

there are signs of israeli spying in the US. Have you ever seen the never shown Fox news special report series on just that after 9/11? also there's been many accusations that the adl and aipac spy's but as far as i know there's not much proof there. i'm not touchign the 'manipulation of our government part' with a stick.

[ooglymoogly]

29. link

www.antiwar.com

[ooglymoogly]

28. over 200 israeli military and massad officers were arrested

by the fbi 5 months before 9/ll posing as art students and casing government buildings all over the us. on 9/11 3 israeli citizens were arrested in nj in a park high fiving and dancing as the towers fell. part of this was reported on fox news but was squelched after 3 days of reporting on this story. justen has several articles on this on www.antiwar.com as for stealing land i guess you don't read about the iraeli settlements on arab land that is the cause of most of the palestinian conflict and the arab hatred of this country.

[drdon326]

39. What a load of crap.....

Justin Raimondo is has more conspiracy theories than you can count. He's an anti-semite who has never written an objective piece in his short miserable life and if i remember correctly was copied in stormfront. Wow...some pathetic proof.

Now "fox news" is quoted??...dont make me laugh.

[ooglymoogly]

40. you seem more interested in being argumentative than checking

facts. if you do a little research you'll find the actual fbi report that has been leaked and is on several blogs. but i don't think you are too interested in facts more than covering them up. to call justin raimondo an anti semite is just stupid. to call somthing easily documented crap is just too easy.

[drdon326]

42. Soooo....document it.

and see if you can do it without quoting a neanderthal like justin raimondo.

Is he like your hero or something?lol

[Forkboy]

49. um...you just posted an article in I/P that says George Will and Jeff

Jacoby are respected journalists.

Once again,a case of the shoe fitting so well the foot doesn't know it's even on.

[Califooyah Operative]

60. Have you watched the fox series or not?

It's obvious Fox has a major right wing bias, but the story doesn't show any as far as i know, the report was pretty in depth. Unless you've seen it, I would bash it's credibility.

[Zhade]

35. Ever heard of Pollard? That was a pretty big deal.

How about the Israel-firster Michael Leeden, who helped lie us into the war? Doubtful it was at Israel's behest, but only a fool would claim Israel didn't weigh the pros and cons of our illegal venture.

Or how about "A Clean Break: A Strategy for Securing the Realm", written by some prominent Israel-first neocons?

Israel doesn't "run the world" as some claim, but it's hardly uninterested in what we do in the ME.

[SweetLeftFoot]

65. Proof

"they have massive spy operations in this country"...any proof of this??

Jonathon Pollard?

[The Zanti Regent]

69. Can you say "AIPAC" boys and girls?

Hmmm, a foreign entity buying off politicians...

[drdon326]

74. Ohhhh...some massive.

one person.:eyes:

[SweetLeftFoot]

82. Pollard

Do you actually know anything about him?

[Name removed]

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[0007]

86. I'm more than sure Mordechai Vanunu could give us an insight

into this charge better than the State Department. But since Israel has a muzzle on Mr. vanunu and under house arrest for talking to the media, that's out of the question, 'eh?

[foo_bar]

2. just to spare everyone the trouble

1) Not all anti-Zionism has to do with hating Jews.
2) The ADL often has trouble understanding #1.
...
3) Not all anti-Semitism is a product of hating Israel.
4) Anti-Zionists often have trouble understanding #3.

[Annus Horribilis]

4. I Agree

But sometimes anti-Zionism does become anti-Semitism. When someone says Israel has no right to exist or the Zionists control the American government, that is anti-Semitism.

[NorthernSpy]

10. not quite...

But sometimes anti-Zionism does become anti-Semitism. When someone says Israel has no right to exist or the Zionists control the American government, that is anti-Semitism.

Not quite.

When someone says that Jews have no right to exist, that's definitely anti-Semitism, without a doubt. But saying that Israel has no right to exist is more like saying that Rhodesia has no right to exist.

If someone said that "Zionists control the US government", then I would just ask them to show me the facts. I think that would be a good response.

[yinkaafrica]

14. You have a very refreshing and diplomatic take on the subject

[Zhade]

36. Very good point, thank you for underlining that fact.

NT!

[Igel]

93. Or that Pakistan has no right to exist.

But I think Pakistans would argue that it's anti-Pakistani to say that, *and* anti-Muslim, since Pakistan is an Islamic state that derives much of its self-perceived legitimacy from that status.

[iamjoy]

27. Anti-Zionism Has Become Anti-Semitism

when Muslims angered at the treatment of their fellow Muslims in Israel decide to desecrate a Jewish cemetery or firebomb a synagogue in Europe, it is hard to separate the two.

And saying Israel has no right to exist does border on anti-Semitism, if it is not that outright. In every other country, Jews face subtle slights. Even in America, with its freedom of religion, Christmas is a national holiday, Yom Kippur (the holiest day to Jews) is not. There is no doubt as to the "dominant" religion in many Western countries. In many Arab nations, it is not so subtle, Islam is the state religion. So, why shouldn't Jews have a country too where the laws and customs of Judaism influence the nation? Furthermore, the problem stems from the Holocaust. In the years leading up to it, some Jews saw the writing on the wall. But so few nations would open their doors to them, or had severely restrictive quotas. One idea behind the concept of a Jewish state was not just Zionism, but the feeling that Jews would always have sanctuary/refuge. Of course, it hasn't quite worked out that way.

Paradoxically, the more Israel is criticized, even when it is just, the more it feels its right to exist, and the rights of Jews to exist are threatened.

This is not to excuse Israeli atrocities in the West Bank, or Israel spying on the U.S.

[JerseygirlCT]

45. Terrific post, thank you.

[SweetLeftFoot]

66. Perception

And saying Israel has no right to exist does border on anti-Semitism, if it is not that outright.

All a matter of perception. I think Northern Ireland has no right to exist and the whole island should be one. But I have no great dislike for Protestant people.

However, a Northern Irish protestant reading that statement would immediately assume I'm biased.

Same goes for the Israel/Palestine debate.

[info being]

91. The trouble is the real culprits are always out of reach

And when people get desperate they reach for the reachable.

[Mr_Spock]

46. Hey, did you know Armenians were Semites?

lol - I don't think they even know it!

[foo_bar]

48. the term "anti-Semitism" isn't used to describe "Semites"

the same way "tidal waves" aren't precipitated by the tide. It's a linguistic Catch-22, because many Jews aren't actually Semitic, most Semites aren't Jewish, and the term "anti-Judaism" implies opposition to the religion, not the people or their presumed bloodline. "anti-Jew" might cover the semantic bases, but I could see why Jews find the term distasteful. So it's a lousy expression, but a universally understood (or purposefully misunderstood) one.

[Mr_Spock]

51. Yes, I think most labeling we use today is retarded anyway.

I think it's funny if we don't take it all so seriously at times. I mean bigotry should be taken seriously, I'm just tired of the same old expressions though I never get tired of calling * a lying mass-murdering war-criminal who should be executed for war crimes. :D

[muriel_volestrangler]

99. What makes you say so?

The language is Indo-European - http://www.lmp.ucla.edu/profiles/profa02.htm

[jukes]

3. this sounds like propaganda

trying to inflame anti-muslim sentiment.

we need to get out of the middle-east and clean our own house. both anti-semitism and anti-muslim incidents are in the rise here, do to the ruling theocracy.

[Annus Horribilis]

5. How?

How is this trying to inflame anti-Muslim sentiment?

[drdon326]

15. shhhhhh......

just agree....trust me , you dont want to know the answer.

[maddezmom]

6. Annus Horribilis

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[Annus Horribilis]

7. OK

Sorry about that.

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[purduejake]

9. Anybody should "whine" about bigotry and harassment.

For things they cannot control or for things like religion. Period.

[Jesus H. Christ]

11. State department clarifies:

"It's mostly the fault of them damn ragheads."

[JerseygirlCT]

17. Why is such a report on the rise of anti-semitism necessarily

linked to the rise of anti-muslim actions?

This need to compare at every turn isn't productive, and just continues the stupid idea that muslims and jews are somehow natural enemies.

The rise of anti-semitism in Europe should come as no surprise to anyone, and in fact, ought to give any thinking person a great deal of concern. My goodness, we're not so far from the holocaust that we've forgotten the power of that anti-semitism, have we?

The spate of anti-muslim activities, both here and in Europe, should likewise, and for nearly the same reasons, concern us. This isn't a contest as to who is more downtrodden, and it's not something to take lightly and joke about.

Continuing this stupid Jew/Muslim dichotomy is stupid, and worse, it's dangerous. Hate speech, and hateful actions are wrong, period.

I'm alarmed by how many people here seem to be ready to jump on the bandwagon.

[Zhade]

37. It's called "racism".

See, it's okay to hate Muslims, but not okay to criticize the righting Israeli government's brutal occupation, the IDF's targeting of unarmed children, or massive corruption (see: Sharon, Ariel) in the Likud party.

[JerseygirlCT]

44. Yes, and the article is about the rise of anti-semitism. This is NOT

about what you think of Israel's political policies, which is another topic altogether.

You're right though -- it's about racism. In this case, against Jews.

And it's not ok to hate Muslims, nor is it ok to hate Jews, even when that's packaged in complaints about "Zionism".

[Zhade]

56. Please see post #32 for reasons why I see this as a racist article.

NT!

[JerseygirlCT]

72. Nope

I'm still not buying. Hatred for Jews is being taught in many of those Muslim communities, and quite virulently in many Muslim countries. Yes, it's all tied up in hatred of Israel, but it goes far deeper than politics. Wishing it otherwise is naive.

We're talking about actions here, and they ARE on the rise. In the countries where the holocaust happened this has got to cause major concern.

This is not to say that the Muslim populations of Europe aren't also suffering from prejudice and discrimination -- I'm aware that's happening as well.

It's not an either/or -- they're both wrong.

[SweetLeftFoot]

67. No

You're right though -- it's about racism. In this case, against Jews.

The Jewish people are not a race. And only a fool would deny that that Israel's political policies are not linked to people's perceptions of the Jewish people.

[JerseygirlCT]

73. Depends on how one defines race, I suppose

and if you look hard enough there isn't any such thing anyway.

That said, they are a people and a people with a distinct heritage, faith and long history.

Throughout much of that history, they have been scapegoated, abused, and persecuted, culiminating in the Holocaust during the 20th century -- when nearly 6 million people were murdered.

You're foolish and naive to beleive that the current spate of hatred is linked only to political differences with the government of Israel. This hatred has roots far deeper. Modern Israel exists in direct reaction to the Holocaust and the refusal of most other countries to take in the persecuted Jews of Europe.

If it makes you feel all self-righteous to write this off as problems with Israel, then you're just going to go ahead I suppose. But you're very wrong, and I hope the world doesn't turn away again as the tide of anti-semitism rises.

[SweetLeftFoot]

83. Given

that one of the main crimes that anti-semites accuse Jews of is "double allegeince", IE, American Jews pretending to be working for America's best interests while actually using America as tool further Israeli/Jewish interets, it is a very interesting debate.

For mine (and as I'm not Jewish I suppose its very much just my two bobs worth) I don't know of any races that are based on religious beliefe which, when we boil it down, what being Jewish is about.

Anyway, as a non-American I find the whole nutbar thing about "the Jews are trying to make America help Israel" thing ridiculous. Of course they (some) are! The US is an immigrant nation and people don't forget where they came from.

People often forget that another very powerful lobby in the US - the Irish American community - effectively lobbied the Clinton White House into leaning on the British Government as regards Northern Ireland. The Brits had the Provos on the run by 1994 b ut luckily their greatest supporters/financiers/arms suppliers in Boston and New York came through with the political support.

It's what happens in immigrant nations like yours and mine (Australia).

[JerseygirlCT]

107. I'm not even sure you can boil it down to that

there is a very strong cultural component to being Jewish that lives alongside the religious one. In fact, there are many, many non-religious Jews who most definitely consider themselves Jewish. There is a history, a culture, that is tied to the faith, but not exclusive of the faith, if that makes sense.

Not every Jew is a wild-eyed, anything goes supporter of Israel, either. Many American Jews have many, many problems with the current Israeli government and their behavior. That's why I get frustrated when I see any discussion of the rise of anti-semitism in Europe (a very, very scary thing) conflated with more talk of the Israeli-Palestinian issue. They are not inextricably tied. One cannot under any circumstances, excuse anti-semitism because one doesn't agree with the Israeli government. I heartily dislike the Saudi government, but that gives me no excuse to hate Muslims, you know?

As I said to a friend, I'm frustrated by the idea that there's some sort of zero-sum game here: that one must be either a supporter of Jews or Muslims, that one cannot hate the bigotry against both groups. That's just silly thinking, and I'm seeing too much of it here for my taste today.

[Robbien]

12. Is the State Department fair? They did not issue such a report

on the rise of anti-Muslim sentiment.

Oh wait that's right, very few (if any) Muslim lobbyists.

[feistydem]

55. The whole Saudi Royal Family are lobbyists

I refer you to Fahrenheit 9/11. Any group with money or connection or both has a dog in the fight for Bush's favor.

[drdon326]

16. Interesting article....

sad.

[parsifal_e]

18. Arabs are semites , aren't they ? , so anti-muslim=antisemite....

maybe this is what the article is referring to.

[Melech Hamoshiach]

52. NO

We speak a language.

That language is English.

In that language, words have meanings.

Anti-semitism means "against the Jews."

I fucking hate that word. I hate that anti-semitism means "against the Jews" b/c it allows people to make the ridiculous argument that "Arabs are semites."

It doesn't matter that Arabs are semites, or that some Jews may not be.

It's irrelevant. And to say otherwise is to play silly semantic games.

Anti-semitism means against the Jews.

period.

[parsifal_e]

62. Yes, but......

language is not a fixed thing , it's always in flux. remember what the word "Tragedy" used to mean 50 years ago ?

most western scholars used to call muslims "mohammedans" which was very widespread.... yet this changed now.

The same with the phrase "anti-semite" , it's so semantically ridicilous
it should be changed .... I think "anti-jewish" is better .

anyway, lets see what happens , language has a life of it's own!

[Radio_free_america]

19. In France

Jew and Muslim were living in relative peace.
In Paris for example some place are mixed jew/muslim population and you could see a Rabin in front of a Algerian bar.

But tentions apeared with years. Principaly because of Israelo-Palestinian war, in many judiciary case, it was refered to this conflic.
This is more tense since 9/11 Bush retaliations on Irak. The strong friendship between USA and Israel is feel like an US agretion toward Muslins pushed by Israel...

In fact I think that Bush's "geopolitic" is feeding Muslim integrism.

But there is many common celebrations betwen Jew, Muslims and Christians. And organisations are working together quive well.
You know there is many North African Jews in France (fron formers french colony) they lived with Muslim for centuries.
The problem is really a displacement of west bank conflict and is not so strong. Jews and Muslims are speaking together much more they fight.

But it's not going the good direction since 10 years.

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[Radio_free_america]

22. Anti-semitism is a reality

Surely not as strong that conservatives and Radical-Sionistes would like, but it have a real existance.

Jews are very easy to use as scapegoats ; one religion, one culture, one great familly. Since eons may "fascists" use these fact to turn population interrest out of power stages.

Radical Muslim are using it, but radical Christian-sionist are using the same principle toward muslims.
A majority of Jews and Muslims are wedged between the two, in great part because of our overmediatised world I agree with you.

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[imenja]

30. evidence?

Let me see, you are going to cite the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

[wildmanj]

26. Anti-semitism

and what is one to make of this statement: During an argument between the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, Peres said that Isralis' policies of continued violence might "turn the US against us". To this Sharon retorted: "EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL; WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT." --Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon October 3, 2001 (IAP News)

[foo_bar]

47. it's apparently a hoax

attributed to a Hamas website:
http://www.sicmuse.com/weblog/archives/000655.htm
http://world.std.com/~camera/docs/alert/geyer.html

It's since been propagated by the likes of:
http://www2.davidduke.com/index.php?p=16
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=2822

[info being]

88. Do you disagree with the spirit of this statement?

Do you think it is incorrect?

[Igel]

98. While logically it's possible for a true statement

to have a false premise (F --> T is T, from the old truth tables), it depends on whether the deduction is true.

And it certainly doesn't help citing a false statement to support a statement. It helps move the conclusion from something "known" to something "thought" or even something "believed".

I think the deduction is false. While there are, no doubt, spy operations against the US perpetrated by Israel, I'm not sure these bother me. I also wouldn't much care if Britain spied on us, in the same situation. Many of the incidents are industrial in nature, because we have military tech that could help Israel, and Israel knows that when up against superior numbers, it needs tech to survive in the case of attack. (Ahem ... anti-tank missiles, 1972 was it?)

But most of what the US Congress and executive branch does with regard to Israel, I think, is widely enough supported. Not every point, but overall.

[foo_bar]

103. the spirit of the "statement" is urban legend

I disagree with the spirit of hoaxes in general, white supremacist or otherwise.

[info being]

104. Are you saying the US government does not support Israel?

Interesting.

[foo_bar]

108. no. did I say that?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking me about this apocryphal quote.

[Zhade]

38. EXCELLENT POST. Thank you.

NT!

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[The Magistrate]

50. Are You Actually, Sir

Suggesting Jews do control the economy of the world...?

[Zhade]

57. I'm pretty sure s/he is NOT saying that.

Rather, I believe the conclusion is that it's not anti-Semitism to call a Jewish pro-Israel publisher, say, influential and biased.

That was my take, anyway.

[info being]

84. A good portion of it

Look high enough up in any of the most powerful corporations (not just media) and you see the Zionist influence. Of course they do not have exclusive control, but control beyond the percentage of the population they represent.

But I'm not really interested in generalizing...my point is that when I see an extreme Zionist in a position of influence and power I have no problem pointing out the obvious.

[Kitka]

105. And that couldn’t be

because Jewish tradition emphasizes education, could it?

[info being]

106. What I was saying was all in the (now deleted) post

I understand your confusion.

[sherilocks]

75. Because Michael Silverman is Jewish he is

manipulating AP stories? Ronald Lauder is manipulating the press?

You align yourself with some strange bedfellows. Here are some that might agree with you.

http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-estee-lauder.html


http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4231

David Pringle is the Membership Coordinator of the National Alliance and directs the activities of the Alliance's numerous Local Units. He is a former soldier and successful businessman.

Quotes:

"Our goal is to recruit and reach out to White people. I honestly believe, if things keep going in the way that they're going right now -- and I've never seen it like this in the years that I've been in the Alliance -- I believe that pretty much the sky's the limit in the next five years."

"We're trying to completely rebuild our own White community again. You might say we're building a parallel world to the one of rot and decay that we see around us all the time. To me, what these meetings do is 'charge my batteries'; they get me around people where I don't have to watch what I say, I don't have to worry, you know, about shocked looks when I say something about Israel, or Black IQs, or whatever. They take place in an atmosphere of camaraderie and brotherhood; we have just one class of people there and that's just White men and Women. If you're interested in that, we have quite a few active Units around the country, and I, personally, can put you in contact with any of the people who run them."

___________________________________________________

Now as to the "Zionist" (perish the thought) Lauder.

Lauder gives 100% of his political contributions to Democrats. Here is some information on his foundation.

Why are we helping in these countries? Because half a century after the Holocaust, Jews are still there and want to be Jewish once again. True enough, they may be few in number, but they are determined. They include:

Providing Jewish education is our primary goal. For we know that if you bring Jewish life to children, they will bring it home to their parents, the lost generation that was deprived of its heritage.

It comes down to this: either you agree that every Jewish child deserves a Jewish education, or you do not. If you do not agree, the Jews who remain in Central and Eastern Europe can be written off. Adolf Hitler was successful in destroying a thousand years of Jewish life in that region. The book is closed.

I believe that this book is still open. It will remain so as long as Jews in this part of Europe want to explore their Jewish identity.
Today, half a century after the Holocaust and nearly a decade after the collapse of the Berlin Wall, Jews are free to be Jews and pick up the pieces of a history shattered by Nazism and stifled by Communism. Now that they are picking up those pieces, they need our help to put them together.

<snip>

I firmly believe we are forging a chain that links the past we share to a future possible only if we all work together to help these Jews rightfully reclaim what was denied them for so long -- their Judaism.

RONALD S.LAUDER


http://www.rslfoundation.org/html/about/about.htm

If you are suggesting that a Jewish editor manipulates the news because he/she is Jewish or that a Jewish philanthropist, and a Democratic contributor, (notice that Lauder is not trying to curry favor with the * administration) is controlling the media than you make a perfect case for exactly what anti-semitism is.

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[Jacobin]

76. Eloquently stated

Can't add a thing to that.

[sierrrarancher]

25. My neighbor brands his cattle with a swastika -- in CALIFORNIA

My neighbors next door use the swastika to brand their cattle and have a swastika on the side of their truck. They tell the community that it is their 'family crest', right. A sherriff deputy told me that this family also has a 'beautiful collection of Nazi memorabilia which could be in a musuem'. The local utility company told me that they have a cache of grenades. Reported all this to the FBI, but they didn't seem too concerned....

The neighbor's dogs were especially noisy one day, reported this to the sherriff, who came by and one of the canines BIT the sherriff. Still this case hasn't come to the DA's office.

And guess who owns all the land on which the swastika-bearing cattle live? A not-for-profit charity, The Serengeti Foundation, with, I've been told, ties to Folgers Coffee.....

Welcome to MY world

[leesa]

31. So the far right Republicans are doing it, but we're supposed to pretend

it's the Muslims. Right.

[Zhade]

32. Wow, how's THAT for racism?

A rise in the number of Muslims in Western Europe, many of them poor and uneducated, is contributing to an increase in already deeply rooted anti-Semitism there...

So just an increase of Muslims is an increase in anti-Semitism (and no, it couldn't possibly be mere criticism of the rightwing Israeli government's brutal policies). Therefore, Muslims are automatically anti-Semitic.

What tripe. A completely transparent racist stance.

[Melech Hamoshiach]

53. It is a fact

That in current years, the increase in Muslims in Europe has led to an increase in anti-semitic violence by Muslims against Jews.

It is irrefutable.

It's amazing, there are barely any Jews left in Europe to hate, but yet they still find them.

[Monkie]

97. you can't cry wolf while eating sheep

it insults "our" intelligence
and it becomes more obviously false with each repetition.
many people dont even seem to see the danger in doing so.

you offer NO "evidence" for your sweeping statement that smacks of racism.
if you want i CAN refute and elaborate and more but you will sorely regret the reputable sources i could find with 30 minutes&google
it would shock this board

that you find it hard to understand that much of the world sees isreal as a pariah state for its apartheid policies and blatant disregard for human rights and international law.
this has NOTHING to do with individual jews or "the jewish people"
or anti-semitism

[theycanbiteme]

33. WHY is OUR State Department...

conducting such investigations? :shrug" Just baffles the mind.

[Melech Hamoshiach]

54. Don't you think

That the rise of anti-semitism in the world is important?

[TheKingfish]

61. This is the United States of America

We should be concerned with Anti-Americanism!!! Which is currently balooning out of control because our State Dept only care about what is good for Israel.

[Paleocon]

79. You're an extremist!

What a thought???

Nahhhh... Putting American interests first? Too controversial!

:silly:

[sherilocks]

81. If you equate all Jews with Israel as you are doing,

since this started as a discussion of anti-semitism not Israel, then are you blaming the Jews for anti-Americanism abroad? I thought it was the chimp's invasion of Iraq that was responsible for this anti-American sentiment. Blame the Israelis, blame the Jews, sounds familiar doesn't it? Pre-war Germany maybe.

[leesa]

71. Yes I think the bashing of semitic Muslims is terrible!

[Danmel]

101. No they don't

They think there is no anti semitism. All of it is because of Israel, even when there was no Israel and even where there are no Jews. Don't you know that Jews are the only people who have no rights to nationhood, who have no rights against persecution, who deserve to die no matter where they are, what they believe, what their politics are, no matter how charitable, progressive, liberal.

There is no anti semitism. There is only anti Zionism, right? The Spanish inquisition, the pogroms, the holocaust, all of which occurred in the absence of Israel- they were just done ahead of time anticipating the evil of Israel.

It's OK to hate Jews, burn their schools, blowup their schools.

[Danmel]

102. No they don't

They think there is no anti semitism. All of it is because of Israel, even when there was no Israel and even where there are no Jews. Don't you know that Jews are the only people who have no rights to nationhood, who have no rights against persecution, who deserve to die no matter where they are, what they believe, what their politics are, no matter how charitable, progressive, liberal.

There is no anti semitism. There is only anti Zionism, right? The Spanish inquisition, the pogroms, the holocaust, all of which occurred in the absence of Israel- they were just done ahead of time anticipating the evil of Israel.

It's OK to hate Jews, burn their schools, blowup their schools.

[0007]

89. Our State Department is much like what Don King is to Boxing

[xchrom]

34. quick, invade something

and kick the muslims out.

[GOPBasher]

41. Well of course it is. This is becoming a Theocracy.

In a theocracy, of course there is prejudice against minority religions. It's actually written into state law. It'll be like that soon.

[makhno]

43. Don't miss the forest behind the trees

Anti-semitism is used here as a convenient propaganda weapon in the fight for global hegemony. If you believe Bush and the oligarchs give two shits about Jews, you might want to take a break from DU to think about just what motivates policy decisions in this day and age.

Clue #1: In Russia, Belarus and elsewhere in the former Soviet Union, anti-Semitism remained a serious problem
Russia is predictably singled out, and so is Belarus, where US interests haven't been able to foment a colorful revolution so far. Note the use of the FSU label - nothing brings back the demon of the anti-semitic commie like a good flashback to the 70s.

Clue #2: Syria condones and supports "a virulent domestic anti-Semitism" as government-supported media demonize Israel and its leaders
Shit, Syria, isn't that the country that also harbors Baathist dead-enders and pro-Zarqawi terrorists hell-bent on getting their dirty brown hands on some of those WMDs that Saddam stashed under the Syrian desert prior to the liberation of Iraq? If you thought those guys were bad for sponsoring the killing of US GIs in the Ramadi province, you won't be surprised that they also support anti-semitism on a global scale.

Clue #3: In Pakistan, where there is no Jewish community, anti-Semitic sentiment fanned by anti-Semitic press articles, is widespread
Now, you can usually expect the Paks to do our bidding, but they sure as hell aren't walking the anti-terror walk in Paktia. Gotta let the bastards know that we've got the anti-semitism gun locked and loaded in case they decide to act all crazy with that Muslim bomb of theirs. In any case, it's good to know we can still depend on trustworthy, pro-Israel allies such as Saudi Arabia, who do well staying out of the report through their diligent prosecution of anti-semitic feeling in the kingdom.

Jew this, Zion that. This is just another way to get the masses goose-stepping to the right drumbeat.

[Just Me]

68. Another propaganda tool,...to stir up emotions,...

,...and contol the flocks. That was my initial assessment. Intentional affliction of diviseness to incite/divide/conquer is NOT a new tool. It's a method which has been repeatedly utilized by those who seek to expand their power.

[geek tragedy]

78. You're right. Those damn Jews should just shut up about the racism

directed at them.

Syria's defense minister accused Jews of using the blood of Christian children in Passover feasts.

I guess that doesn't count as anti-semitism in your book.

[info being]

90. Look at the article again.

I don't see any specific examples of it referenced. Its all about "perception" and "stereotypes" which are "simply not true." Seems like sort of a straw man argument.

I feel that it is wrong to scapegoat any group of people, by the way. We should all be held individually accountable for our own actions. Sometimes the impetus behind those actions can be a religion or an ideology.

[sherilocks]

100. Statistics were provided by some countries

<snip>
Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., who pushed for annual State Department reports and for close monitoring through a new office in the department, welcomed the first global report on anti-Semitism.

"It is only a beginning," said Lantos, the senior Democrat on the House committee. "The department must act quickly to appoint an advocate of substantial rank and experience to coordinate our government's response to the current outbreak of anti-Semitic violence."

The report, which covers the period between July 2003 and December 2004, gave no worldwide totals but did include statistics provided by some countries
<snip>

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1152&slug=Anti%20Semitism

[tom_paine]

58. Totalitarian Darkness is spreading across the world. I would expect all

forms of evil to be on the increase.

Emperor Tiberius Bunnypants and the New Imperial BushPutinist Amerika

Comrade Soulmate Putin in the New BushPutinist Empire of the East, with a harsher flavor of course given Russian traditions of subservience to authority.

One would also expect with the rise of Right-Wing Totalitarianism to see the Ultra-Right rise, convinced one day it will all be theirs.

And they might be right, especially here in the Empire.

May God Help Us All, because LIHOP #2 is coming.

And after that, no one can guess.

[mitchum]

59. bush needs to talk to his asshole buddies in the House of Saud about this

since THEY are responsible for much of this

[MisterP]

63. and Saudi Arabia...?

or are they Doubleplusgood and France Doubleplusungood?
SA is not mentioned: I recall them attacking the medical symbol, the Asclepius's staff, as a Jewish conspiracy symbol.

[Paleocon]

64. Bookmarking this thread... N/T

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[Paleocon]

96. Wow... I just noticed that...

What's the deal???

:shrug:

[Lostnote03]

70. ChaaaaaaaCheeeeeeng!!!!!

[geek tragedy]

77. Anything that happens to European Jews is anti-semitism, not anti-Zionism.

This has nothing to do with Jonathan Pollard.

Of course, derivations of the International Jewish Conspiracy theories are being bandied about. Charming.

[jman0]

80. BOOfrickingHOO - look at the source: the STATE DEPT.

propaganda central!

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