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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:41 PM
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Dem Lays Out Case Against Bush's Ohio Win
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 04:42 PM by insane_cratic_gal
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=8&u=/ap/20050105/ap_on_el_pr/electoral_college_ohio

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WASHINGTON - The senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee (news - web sites) protested President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election Wednesday with a new report claiming serious election irregularities and "significant disenfranchisement" of voters in Ohio.

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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:43 PM
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1. get to yahoo and vote it up
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:27 PM
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23. Gave it a 5. "Its current average rating is 4.30 with 310 vote(s). " n/t
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:43 PM
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2. Vote for it now ....Give it a 5
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 04:43 PM by k8conant
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:44 PM
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3. Everyone Please rate this story! Go Yahoo!
Thanks insane! Great work!:hi:
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:46 PM
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4. Keep This Story Rated High - VOTE!
KICK!!!
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:47 PM
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5. Another excerpt from AP:
The 102-page report titled “Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio?” lists such problems as unusually long lines, a shortage of voting machines in Democratic-leaning areas, confusion over provisional ballot rules and computer problems.
The report also contends there were widespread instances of intimidation and misinformation, improper purging of voter registration lists, a lack of inspection for about 93,000 ballots where no vote was cast for president, and vote totals not matching registration numbers or exit poll data.
“In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio,” the report said.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:01 PM
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:51 PM
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28. Enjoy your rather brief stay!
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 06:51 PM by KDLarsen
.. as for the WA gubernatorial race, it went to a 3rd recount before it finally decided upon.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:00 PM
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38. funny, your userid says it all
you should repent -- for making such an ignorant, narrow-minded post.

Fault. Fault. You people have redirected the word.

Whenever anything happens, you are the first to try to place the fault at Democrats.

We are in an endless, illegal bloody war. Who was at fault?

The country is damn near bankrupt. Who is at fault?

The world thinks America is full of sadistic, ignorant, blood-thirsty fucks. Who is at fault here?

Two presidential elections have passed, and each came down to one state that was lorded over by your man's point. Who is at fault?

Washington State had three recounts. One. two. three. The Democrat emerged the victor. Yet you find "fault".

Fuck you and all your faults.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:44 PM
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40. Conyers Report - executive summary and link below
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010605Y.shtml

Preserving Democracy:
What Went Wrong in Ohio
Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff

Wednesday 05 January 2005

Executive Summary

Representative John Conyers, Jr., the Ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, asked the Democratic staff to conduct an investigation into irregularities reported in the Ohio presidential election and to prepare a Status Report concerning the same prior to the Joint Meeting of Congress scheduled for January 6, 2005, to receive and consider the votes of the electoral college for president. The following Report includes a brief chronology of the events; summarizes the relevant background law; provides detailed findings (including factual findings and legal analysis); and describes various recommendations for acting on this Report going forward.

We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousand of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave doubts regarding whether it can be said the Ohio electors selected on December 13, 2004, were chosen in a manner that conforms to Ohio law, let alone federal requirements and constitutional standards.

This report, therefore, makes three recommendations: (1) consistent with the requirements of the United States Constitution concerning the counting of electoral votes by Congress and Federal law implementing these requirements, there are ample grounds for challenging the electors from the State of Ohio; (2) Congress should engage in further hearings into the widespread irregularities reported in Ohio; we believe the problems are serious enough to warrant the appointment of a joint select Committee of the House and Senate to investigate and report back to the Members; and (3) Congress needs to enact election reform to restore our people's trust in our democracy. These changes should include putting in place more specific federal protections for federal elections, particularly in the areas of audit capability for electronic voting machines and casting and counting of provisional ballots, as well as other needed changes to federal and state election laws.

With regards to our factual finding, in brief, we find that there were massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio.

First, in the run up to election day, the following actions by Mr. Blackwell, the Republican Party and election officials disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of Ohio citizens, predominantly minority and Democratic voters:

The misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly minority and Democratic voters. This was illustrated by the fact that the Washington Post reported that in Franklin County, "27 of the 30 wards with the most machines per registered voter showed majorities for Bush. At the other end of the spectrum, six of the seven wards with the fewest machines delivered large margins for Kerry." (See Powell and Slevin, supra). Among other things, the conscious failure to provide sufficient voting machinery violates the Ohio Revised Code which requires the Boards of Elections to "provide adequate facilities at each polling place for conducting the election."
Mr. Blackwell's decision to restrict provisional ballots resulted in the disenfranchisement of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of voters, again predominantly minority and Democratic voters. Mr. Blackwell's decision departed from past Ohio law on provisional ballots, and there is no evidence that a broader construction would have led to any significant disruption at the polling places, and did not do so in other states.
Mr. Blackwell's widely reviled decision to reject voter registration applications based on paper weight may have resulted in thousands of new voters not being registered in time for the 2004 election.
The Ohio Republican Party's decision to engage in preelection "caging" tactics, selectively targeting 35,000 predominantly minority voters for intimidation had a negative impact on voter turnout. The Third Circuit found these activities to be illegal and in direct violation of consent decrees barring the Republican Party from targeting minority voters for poll challenges.
The Ohio Republican Party's decision to utilize thousands of partisan challengers concentrated in minority and Democratic areas likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of legal voters, who were not only intimidated, but became discouraged by the long lines. Shockingly, these disruptions were publicly predicted and acknowledged by Republican officials: Mark Weaver, a lawyer for the Ohio Republican Party, admitted the challenges "can't help but create chaos, longer lines and frustration."
Mr. Blackwell's decision to prevent voters who requested absentee ballots but did not receive them on a timely basis from being able to receive provisional ballots 6 likely disenfranchised thousands, if not tens of thousands, of voters, particularly seniors. A federal court found Mr. Blackwell's order to be illegal and in violation of HAVA.

Second, on election day, there were numerous unexplained anomalies and irregularities involving hundreds of thousands of votes that have yet to be accounted for:

There were widespread instances of intimidation and misinformation in violation of the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act of 1968, Equal Protection, Due Process and the Ohio right to vote. Mr. Blackwell's apparent failure to institute a single investigation into these many serious allegations represents a violation of his statutory duty under Ohio law to investigate election irregularities.
We learned of improper purging and other registration errors by election officials that likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters statewide. The Greater Cleveland Voter Registration Coalition projects that in Cuyahoga County alone over 10,000 Ohio citizens lost their right to vote as a result of official registration errors.
There were 93,000 spoiled ballots where no vote was cast for president, the vast majority of which have yet to be inspected. The problem was particularly acute in two precincts in Montgomery County which had an undervote rate of over 25% each - accounting for nearly 6,000 voters who stood in line to vote, but purportedly declined to vote for president.
There were numerous, significant unexplained irregularities in other counties throughout the state: (i) in Mahoning county at least 25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of Kerry votes to the Bush column; (ii) Warren County locked out public observers from vote counting citing an FBI warning about a potential terrorist threat, yet the FBI states that it issued no such warning; (iii) the voting records of Perry county show significantly more votes than voters in some precincts, significantly less ballots than voters in other precincts, and voters casting more than one ballot; (iv) in Butler county a down ballot and underfunded Democratic State Supreme Court candidate implausibly received more votes than the best funded Democratic Presidential candidate in history; (v) in Cuyahoga county, poll worker error may have led to little known thirdparty candidates receiving twenty times more votes than such candidates had ever received in otherwise reliably Democratic leaning areas; (vi) in Miami county, voter turnout was an improbable and highly suspect 98.55 percent, and after 100 percent of the precincts were reported, an additional 19,000 extra votes were recorded for President Bush.

Third, in the post-election period we learned of numerous irregularities in tallying provisional ballots and conducting and completing the recount that disenfanchised thousands of voters and call the entire recount procedure into question (as of this date the recount is still not complete):

Mr. Blackwell's failure to articulate clear and consistent standards for the counting of provisional ballots resulted in the loss of thousands of predominantly minority votes. In Cuyahoga County alone, the lack of guidance and the ultimate narrow and arbitrary review standards significantly contributed to the fact that 8,099 out of 24,472 provisional ballots were ruled invalid, the highest proportion in the state.
Mr. Blackwell's failure to issue specific standards for the recount contributed to a lack of uniformity in violation of both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clauses. We found innumerable irregularities in the recount in violation of Ohio law, including (i) counties which did not randomly select the precinct samples; (ii) counties which did not conduct a full hand court after the 3% hand and machine counts did not match; (iii) counties which allowed for irregular marking of ballots and failed to secure and store ballots and machinery; and (iv) counties which prevented witnesses for candidates from observing the various aspects of the recount.
The voting computer company Triad has essentially admitted that it engaged in a course of behavior during the recount in numerous counties to provide "cheat sheets" to those counting the ballots. The cheat sheets informed election officials how many votes they should find for each candidate, and how many over and under votes they should calculate to match the machine count. In that way, they could avoid doing a full county-wide hand recount mandated by state law.

Download Full PDF Document
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http://truthout.org/Conyersreport.pdf




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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:49 PM
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6. rating it. also story about Kerry's visit
To Jordon on Yahoo as well.

Getting more bang for his buck being in the middle east while this goes on here? Sort of a brilliant move.

He gets coverage if they contest it, gets to look presidential while visiting Iraq.
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Bucknut213 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:50 PM
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7. Fingers crossed...
but I still lack hope.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:50 PM
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8. Keep This Kicked
Everyone Vote!
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:55 PM
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9. But it's still discouraging
at the bottom it talks about contesting not really making any difference because both houses are controlled by the Republicans. So, even if Conyers gets the backing, Bush is still the HAssHoleIC.

The freepers know this. I was just on a thread here with a link to their rants about us. Even if Conyers does get the backing, it's not going to prove anything to them or anyone else and we already know the truth.

I'm becoming seriously disenfranchised by my country:cry:
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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:48 PM
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18. Check this out, pnutchuck...
Randi on AAR today stated her argument for democratic senators to stand up. IF they stand and IF the end result is CONGRESS choosing the president, then some of Bush's "political capital" goes by the wayside because technically Bush would not have been elected by the people. I know this doesn't help us feel better, but it's another viewpoint.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:37 PM
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27. But the rumor is that if Bush isn't elected by the people, then he can
actually run again. The freepers keep spewing this and I don't know how much of it is true, but it's a scary friggin thought.

Maybe this was the plan all along; leave an obvious fraud trail so that the Dems have to protest and his confirmation is only made by the house, not the people. Giving him the ability to run a 3rd time!!!! I must have a 6th sense 'cause I left the country after that ass wasn't elected the 1st time.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:20 PM
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21. it's not much consolation, but those asterisks ** in the history books
will be significant in perspective and context of the times ... especially when the illegitimate policies from the illegitimates holding office come home to roost ... just how many people will have to suffer the consequences of this corruption before the pendulum returns is, unfortunately, a serious unknown ... yet, of course, we know both Gore and Kerry 'won' ...

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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:32 PM
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24. The next best thing after actually
turning the election around to the rightful winner is that Bush** will (now with TWO asterisks) forever have the little footnote at the bottom. In fact, several history books I've seen that cover the 2000 election say "And on December 12, the Supreme Court handed Bush the presidency."
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:34 PM
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25. Each cannonball weakens the wall.
Just because the first one doesn't smash through, it's not a good reason to not fire at all. They may appear to bounce off, but the wall weakens. Furthermore, "do(ing) the right thing" has nothing to do with success - it has to do with integrity. I won't vote for or contribute to people without integrity - no matter what they call tehmselves.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:02 PM
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29. At least...
look at it this way... Let the Republican congress pick the president! This way, we can say... Bush did NOT win by "We The People". Just like 2000... Court let Bush win. We all know, Bush did NOT win and we all know, votes were stolened by neo-cons!
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:56 PM
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10. kick
Gave it a 5 with 33 votes
Also, I e-mailed Senator Murray (Wash. D) and then followed that up with a phone call. Someone actually answered! I told him I am asking Murray to stand with Rep. Conyers to contest the Ohio electors. He asked me my name, wrote it down and said he would deliver my concerns to Patty Murray. Here is her phone number if anyone else wants to call
202 224 2621
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:57 PM
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11. Depressing
Even if a Senator stands up it says the * still wins? WTF

If the results are the same then I would hope at least somebody goes to jail.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:04 PM
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12. It may not However:
It's important that it happens

and look forward to impeachment.
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MARALE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:07 PM
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13. Voted n/t
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:08 PM
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14. No good unless household name DEMS go on TV and talk about it.
But that aint gonna happen.

This is just so they can say "see- we DID fight for you- dont you read the internet? Now please, write us another check."
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:10 PM
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15. if they contest
Be sure it will be on CNN and fox being talked about ..

It will get media attention
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:12 PM
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16. "If" we had some ham, we could have ham & eggs...
..."if" we had some eggs, that is.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:23 PM
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17. Gave it a 5 on both my accounts, and emailed it. 4.72 rating.
Emailing these stories put them on the "most emailed" page, just as voting puts them on most popular.

Interestingly, even though it has a high rating, it hasn't beat out other news such as world's fattest man loses 450 pounds. :eyes:
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:12 PM
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20. read and rated '5' n/t
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:21 PM
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22. gave it a 5 and now...........
KICK!
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:34 PM
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26. "boink"
:kick:
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:23 PM
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30. kick n/t
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SuperDem1776 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:25 PM
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31. This is terrible
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:52 PM
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32. Huh?
???
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:01 PM
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39. Yes, It IS terrible to watch your country being stolen away by thugs
Don't you think?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:55 PM
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33. gave it a 5...it's at 3.88
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:55 PM
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34. High Five!
:kick:
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:58 PM
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37. needs to be also posted in general discussion
so more people see it.

I gave it a 5 of course.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:57 PM
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35. Irregularities? Yes. Enough to affect the outcome? No.
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 08:00 PM by dolstein
Even Kerry's lawyers admit this.

Sorry, but Conyers isn't doing anyone any favors. You don't challenge a slate of electors unless you have solid evidence that another candidate won the state's electoral votes. I suppose I should lament Conyers' willingness to destroy his credibility, but the fact is, he doesn't have much credibilty to begin with.

The better approach is to ask Michael Moore to do a film about it.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:38 PM
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43. I think it is good to talk about voting irregularities of all kinds
Conyers at least has the guts to talk about it.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 10:53 PM
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44. WTF are you spewing again?!?!
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 10:54 PM by TankLV
Conyers has more integrity in his little finger than almost all other congresscritters.

Only in your warped mind is such an outlandish statement possible.

The democratic party surely could use less "friends" like you, that's for sure.

Sigh.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:58 PM
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36. Since Kerry has no interest in being President,
and if Bush loses, can we pick someone other than the Senator?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:23 PM
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41. Avg Rating: 3.72, 763 votes
Damn freepers
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:31 PM
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42. Spectacular!!! Conyers ain't no appeaser!!!!
Rated a 5!!!
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