Schumer: Democrats shouldn't protest Bush win

[Khephra]

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Charles Schumer, fresh in a new leadership role among Democrats, found himself at odds with some of them Thursday, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, over a ceremonial counting of President Bush's re-election victory.

Schumer, D-N.Y., was tapped late last year to head the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and began the day touting the DSCC's lack of debt heading into the 2006 elections.

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"My view is that you don't hold up the election unless there is concrete real evidence of fraud. I haven't seen that," Schumer said Thursday.

In contrast, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., took to the Senate floor to thank Boxer for her move, saying the government needs to set higher standards for voting accuracy.

more...............

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--schumer-electoral0106jan06,0,4675145.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire


3...2...1...0!

Listen! Can you hear it? That's the sound of DUers typing angry letters to Schumer.

:evilgrin:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. again, with the Democrats divided, we will keep on loosing elections.

[0007]

43. Let's see a little bit of transparency when you say "WE"

[RetroLounge]

101. Again, we lose, when Democrats can't spell losing

" loosing " ???

RL

[Mr_Spock]

139. That's a "loose" interpretation of the proper spelling!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

[saracat]

104. The word is "losing" NOT "loosing"

This makes me crazy.

[jus_the_facts]

2. YADDA..YADDA....YADDA....

:puke:

[booksenkatz]

3. Upton Sinclair said it best

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

There is none so blind as he who will not see.

And so on.

[NYC]

117. The Upton Sinclair quote explains it.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

That Schumer "hasn't seen" the evidence of fraud? Perhaps he hasn't looked.

[leQ]

or any so dumb as they who will not hear. (eom)

.

[leQ]

155. or any so dumb as they who will not hear. (eom)

.

[4dsc]

4. Another defeatist democrat...

Perhaps Schumer needs a pink tutu to wear around the Senate..

God knows there are plently of other democrat's that need too..

[Ilsa]

6. We should buy a gross of pink tu-tus and mail them to the

Senate Dems who wouldn't do anythin, even about setting a higher standard. I'm grateful for those who stood up and said something.

[ChiciB1]

22. GREAT IDEA!

Maybe they should be RED!!!

I've been going down the list of senators and calling each office telling how proud I was of Boxer and how I felt so many others were simply "wimpy pawns" for El-Smirkle-Roy!

[calimary]

74. As far as calling: 1 (800) 839 - 5276 - TOLL FREE to Capitol Hill.

It's the Capitol Hill Switchboard - where they'll transfer you, FREE, to any office you name - in the Senate OR the House.

I've made a few calls myself, today. Called Feinstein, my other California girl, and demanded to know where the heck she was, this morning, and WHY did I NOT see her standing WITH Barbara Boxer?!? Her staffer said Feinstein was doing what John Kerry recommended - sitting this one out in favor of working for "longterm voting reform." I allowed my voice to drip with sneers at this, and declared: NO, THANK YOU. THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. ABSOLUTELY NOT GOOD ENOUGH. COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. Hey, DiFi, you've gotta TAKE A STAND. SOMEWHERE. Not someday later on when the fuss dies down and there really is pie in the sky. If you wait for that, it'll be pie in yer eye (and a vote, and campaign donations to whomever will be challenging you for the next Senate opening). Dammnt, I wanna see BALLS. Boxer-type Balls.

[ChiciB1]

107. I'm With You... I've made lots & lots of calls

today to all the Democratic Senators. Biden's office was the nicest even though he said Biden was only going to push for Election Reform. However, he was terribly nice. Most of them just said thank you I'll let the Senator know.

One of the worst was Corzine, and Kennedy's office put me on hold then NEVER came back. I soon figured out how they handled irate calls. Putting you on hold is a "favorite!" I was really surprised by Kennedy & Corzien... I thought they were LIBERALS!

Don't think so... AND they're going to confirm GONZALES. WTF is happening. We need a REVOLUTION!!

Perhaps I'll come back down to earth in a few days, but I'm feeling so alone out here. Bill Nelson is such a Republican Democrat that will work to get him UN-ELECTED. What does it matter, we don't have anyone to stick up for us here in Florida anyway, why not just have another REPUKE!!!

[mountainvue]

102. That's a good idea.

Anyone know where we can get 44 pink tutu's?

[MadisonProgressive]

149. I would pitch in!

[Just Me]

5. Schumer,...get with the program, guy!!!

This fight "for the people" is only gonna grow!!!

I'm sure you'll wanna be on board.

[Name removed]

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[Dr Fate]

7. You cant have EVIDENCE until there is a FULL investigation, Idiot.

Stop being a fucking coward.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

8. My Senator is gonna be getting an earful from me.

by email and phone.

[Cerridwen]

9. Here's his website and his email link - for those who are

planning to contact him.

website: http://schumer.senate.gov/

email link: http://schumer.senate.gov/webform.html

other contact info: http://schumer.senate.gov/SchumerWebsite/contact/contact.html

[aikido15]

11. thanks...

debating whether or not I should bother...I am so disgusted!

[calimary]

81. Just do it. Look: This was TOTALLY people-driven. It would NOT have

happened if there weren't loads and loads and loads and loads of people agitating for it. Forgive me for the repetition - I've posted this anecdote elsewhere, too - but there were emails about this to the Dem-CA groups all day yesterday, exhorting people to come out, in full force, and call Barbara Boxer and URGE her to do this. That's because she'd let it be known (and this was quoted in the emails) that if enough of her constituents demanded this, she would, indeed, step forward. Well, looks like she got her mandate.

Storming the Bastille DOES work. It CAN make a difference. Don't let yourself grow so disgusted that you don't LET 'EM KNOW YOU'RE DISGUSTED! I called a few republi-CONS today, too, and gave 'em hell. Like the "good" Dr. Vivisection, bill frist. They NEED to know we are out there and that we are there in numbers too big to ignore (as they said in that song).

Don't EVER let your disgust (and I understand it completely, they've certainly earned it) keep you silent!!!

That's the moment when you should scream even louder, and make an even larger stink than before.

[rodeodance]

13. thanks--I will!!

[Just Me]

21. Done. Thought I'd share this time.

Dear Senator Schumer:

Today, I sincerely wish you would have had the "audacity" to back-up, rather than demean, all those who took a stand for "the people". Maybe, you no longer care about so many Americans who have become disillusioned and disenfranchised with the political process and who have seriously lost faith in the honesty and integrity of our government.

Nevertheless, you could have AT LEAST avoided diminishing those who demonstrated GREAT COURAGE in taking a stand for "the people" whom you and all your colleagues owe your allegiance. "Representatives" are not supposed to be so self-involved in their own political interests that they QUIT advancing democracy and QUIT furthering the best interests of the American people!

Hence, I simply write to express my disappointment of and objection to your actions, today. If you prefer NOT to be a beacon for our people, fine. However, the least you could have chosen to do is stay silent with respect to those who actively demonstrated their concern about the state of this nation and their passion for the American people.

Sincerely Yours,

Just Me

[Rainscents]

106. I sent letter...

to Senator Schumer and told him... I will no longer give money to DNC to support bunch of wimpy Democrats. I also told him, I would only support the ones who had stood up for Democracy and fight for Democarts and their value!

[yorkiemommie1]

10. schumer is a scairdy cat! n/t

[Anakin Skywalker]

12. Schumer is a Chump!

[saigon68]

161. SCHUMER = poster boy for disarming AMERIKA

Chuck is more responsible for Kerry's loss than Kerry.

He is the SMIRKING POSTER BOY FOR THE NRA.

We almost lost Wisconsin because of him.

[BrklynLiberal]

14. He lost my support when he started kissing Bush's butt right after 9/11

[Sleepless In NY]

15. BrklynLiberal.. I agree with you 100%.. Schumer sucks

That's exactly what he did & so did Hillary. We owe the both of them nothing.

[BrklynLiberal]

53. Agreed....

[gratuitous]

16. Chuck, how do you know there's no evidence?

I mean, hell, you voted to bomb Iraq on less "evidence" than has been produced for the allegation that there was voter fraud in the 2004 elections. Are you saying that the standard for launching an invasion is that much lower than the standard for defending democracy?

[not fooled]

17. good one

ha ha ha

oh wait

I should be CRYING

what is wrong with these wimps??? * is going to roll over them even more.

[Sleepless In NY]

18. gratuitous ...cause bush told him so!

just like bush told him Wyoming needs more money from Homeland Security than NY.

[jbnow]

160. What a good point...

or a sad point?

We have heard so much outrage, especially by repubs, about the waste of time and the insult to our nation of this protest...
No evidence, conspiracy wackos

Which of them have stood up and spoken that way about the war?

Talk about waste...of lives, of $$$, of our reputation, of towns and on and on via the war.

Flimsy evidence, trumped up and not questioned...

But this protest was the threat, was wrong? They could vote to give the power for war?

I'm not adding to your point here, just seeing the irony for the first time. It is...really a good comparison. Thanks

[Zenlitened]

19. I think we're being freeped by the Associated Press, as usual...

They make it sound like two Dems are at each other's throats on this, when that's not the case at all.

I saw two Democratic Senators speaking out in defense of voting fairness today, not two opponents.

And yet -- also as usual -- many of us will take this nugget from the MSM as gospel truth and promptly begin devouring our own.

Why is it that the only time we believe the media is when it's pitting us against each other? :(

[AG78]

20. Well, when he hangs around with

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies.htm

this group of people, what else would he say?

[Bono71]

23. Agree with Schumer...if it were the other way around we would not

want the Repubs holding up the process. There has been no evidence that fraud caused Kerry to lose. There has been evidence that some occured (on both sides, unfortunately) but nothing to the effect that would allow Kerry to win.

Flame away. I can take it.

[Just Me]

27. Well, I give you one thing: you are certainly consistent!!!

:bounce:

Just to clarify one wee little point: today was about advancing democracy by taking a stand for "the people" (not the candidates or the parties) and protecting their vote.

[ikojo]

66. If it was the other way around the Republicans DEFINITELY

would challenge the election. The results would have been taken to court on November 3.


No, it's time to STOP playing nice with this bunch. The only thing the pugs understand is FORCE, BRUTE FORCE. They exercise it via the radio and cable talk shows. All the Dems do is roll over.

[calimary]

84. This is SUCH a mightily good point. If the republi-CONS were on the

receiving end of this, and if they thought for one instant that their precious was defrauded, what do you think THEY'D be doing at the moment? Obediently going back upstairs to bed like good little boys and girls? Hell no! In fact, the last time they thought the electorate was being unfair to their widdle pwecious, they ran sniveling and crying all the way to the Supreme Court.

NO MERCY. NO COMPROMISE. Or at least - only as much mercy and compromise AS THEY SHOW TO US. Which, as we all know, is NONE.

I'm with the Fuck You, Schumer crowd, m'self. I've got a Feinstein like that out here. Thank GOD for Barbara Boxer. Best campaign donation money I ever spent.

[Bono71]

87. You're probably right re: The Repubs...but I don't

think this is good for the country...

They (dems) should have done this in November...

The election was valid...now let's put it to bed and kick their asses in 2006...dare I say... MOVEON....

[calimary]

100. Well, they should have done this WAY before November. Like perhaps

November 2000. Boxer's only fault is being four years late in getting around to this.

But, NO. NO move on. It's not 100 percent certain that this election WAS valid if there are this many questions about it, if there are this many shenanigans that people either don't want to talk about or don't want to report, and certainly don't want to investigate. Most of this, most Americans don't even know about, because most of them, as yet, don't get their primary information from the internet. They eat what they're served every day from the limbaughs and Pox "news" channel people of the world, and do not EVER see alternative views, let alone evidence of fraud.

HOW DO WE KNOW this election was valid if there's to be no investigation? If everything is quashed and silenced and those who dare to raise questions are told to shut their traps and go upstairs to bed like good little boys and girls? HOW WILL WE KNOW?

Frankly, I don't know, myself. But I've seen enough, cruising around the net and through here at DU to know that something smells REALLY bad. REALLY bad. Downright fishy. And it needs to be looked into.

WE MUST RAISE QUESTIONS. At least we now have some leadership. God Bless Barbara Boxer. I dug out my Boxer button and pinned it back on today.

[Bouncy Ball]

133. OMG

Move on is a right wing thing to say.

Watch your step bono. You already tread too close.

[Philly Buster]

192. It's hard to MoveOn when my heart is so broken

[SOS]

146. Speaking of the "other way around"

Imagine this scenario:

A presidential election hinges on one state - Ohio.
The electronic voting machines are manufactured by a company owned by George Soros.
The computer code is a "trade secret" owned by Soros, which no Republicans are allowed to examine.
Soros is quoted as saying "I'll deliver Ohio for John Kerry".
Kerry wins Ohio by a margin of 2%. Yet exit polls showed Bush winning by 2%.

One thing is for sure, the Republicans would not "get over it".

[jaime_176]

152. This was not about Kerry.

This was about democracy and voting rights in our country, and a concern for transparency in elections. I don't want to see anyone committing fraud on the people. Do you? Some of us are frightened that our votes do not count. We just want to know that they do count...and that they are given to the candidate we choose. That is NOT too much to ask. I don't want a fascist dictatorship. I want a democracy in my republic.

[Dr Fate]

24. FUCK YOU- you pussy footing, mealy-mouthed FAKE Democrat.

I tell YOU what to do, not the other way around- Im the one who donates the time, money & votes to your half-dead party.

And *I* am telling you to FIGHT these fuckers you god-damed chump!!!!

Dont tell REAL, hard-working Democrats what they should and shouldnt support- we tell YOU what to support.

[Bono71]

25. Wait, I didn't get your position, your agree with Schumer? n/t

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[Bono71]

31. You're right...go ahead an alienate future swing votes by

holding up the process that WE WILL NEVER WIN.


Your understanding of politics is wonderful.

[Mandate My Ass]

34. "You're right"

My understanding of politics is superlative.

"Your right" to put your tail between your legs for non-existent swing votes is sacrosanct. Leave me out of it.

[paulk]

this was done for the base

not the swing voters or the millions who aren't even paying attention...

[Bono71]

62. You know, I agree with that. n/t

[Dr Fate]

36. Swing voters like agressive candidates- thats why they go GOP.

Perhaps the "swing voters" can donate their money & time to Schumer's next campign or to the DNC.

We lost the last 3 election cycles b/c we thought "playing along" rather than standing up for truth would somehow impress "swing voters"- I aint buying that failed "strategy" anymore.

[Bono71]

38. When Dole and Bush I went down, I didn't hear anything about

election fraud---granted, Big Dog waxed them. Bush beat Gore by a hair and I was all for a recount...but Kerry lost by 3.5 million...there is simply no way to erase that margin.

[bpilgrim]

42. NEWSFLASH: Gore Won Big!

and kerry lost to the MACHINE and the word is getting out!

http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/bbv/cspan-repub_caller-paper-trail.mp3

peace

[Bono71]

No, gore won small. n/t

[bpilgrim]

65. lol

and bush won the ELECTRICAL VOTE by the smallest margin EVER!

whatever, at least you got the crux of the issue right... this time ;->

peace

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[Dr Fate]

51. Probably b/c there was no fraud on the part of DEMS.

If there had been, you could be sure that the same party who was unafraid of "what it would look like" to Impeach Clinton would have made a fuss about it.

Again, you base your argument on the false assumption that "DEMS do it too, or would do it."

[Bono71]

73. I hate to say it, but Dems do do it to...there are liars and

cheaters on both sides, and they both should be prosecuted. I believe there was a Dem arrested in Ohio right after the election.

DOn't get me wrong, Republicans are scum...the whole Clinton impeachment illustrates they will stop at nothing to achieve power.

I just don't think fighting the election at this date helps the country, and that is not a good thing.

[Dr Fate]

144. All the more reason to support a FULL investigation NOW.

If your presumption is true, then all the more reasons for Republicans as well as Democrats to support an investigation.

Excuses, excuses. I dont want to be im the party of excuses anymore.

[Philly Buster]

193. Historically it was D's who committed fraud

Tammany Hall, Boss Tweed, Chicago Daleys (who are probably still at it - even Obama admits that).

That said it's the R's that are at it now

[Just Me]

39. Have you ever considered that your understanding of people is poor?

How are you so certain of whether or not this courageous action will "alienate future swing votes"?

Whatever your understanding of politics, sir, I humbly disagree with your conclusions.

[Bono71]

45. I respect your opinions...

but it is bad for the country to hold up the results of a VALID election over this partisan nonsense---and that is what this is---nonsense.

We lost, get over it. There are mid term election less than 2 years away that we should focus on.

Venting on a message board is fine, but I wish our beloved leaders would move on and try to win next time around.

[Just Me]

63. Who actually "expected" that the results would be held up?

Hmmmm.

There were those who indulged in dreaming about a best case scenario (still do,...right now, I am dreaming of the most embarassing impeachment in American history,...delicious). Hell, our hopes and dreams is what keep us fighting though.

All we really wanted was for our "representatives" to show the courage to take a stand for democracy, for "the people"!!! Witnessing that courage to take a stand for us,...is inspiring!!

[Bono71]

67. Which takes us back to the poster above who corrected me..

this is not about "fighting for the little guy" it is about inspiring the base (I was worried about swing voters). So, in that sense, maybe that is a good thing...

However, this whole mess, in the end is nonsense. The voting machine problem can be addressed. I think it is bad for the system to hold-up a valid election (considering the thing was done in November).

[Just Me]

76. I'm not sure what you mean by "this whole mess",...but, I am very grateful

that these brave "representatives" had the guts to step out of the "politics as usual" (which most every American just HATES) and take an impactful stand for our people.

What they did may have made all those caught up in the entirely too entrenched political game very uncomfortable; but, I say to them,...well, I say to hell with those who are unwilling to take risks which really are noble.

So, that's all I have to say.

It was an interesting discussion.

[bread_and_roses]

70. Nonsense to uphold the rights of minority and low-income voters?

Since when? And if that is nonsense, what wouldn't be? If that is nonsense, how can we call this a democracy?

And btw, I sure hope that "beloved leaders" is sarcasm. I am not in the habit of referring to my elected Representatives as "beloved leaders." And I consider neither Schumer nor Clinton, who are my Representatives, to be "leaders" of any sort at the moment.

[Bono71]

77. With respect to minorities...I am one (Cuban)...

I am all for protecting my right to vote.

With respect to our beloved leaders, that was sarcasm...though when you get right down to it, I do love Bill Clinton (so does Mrs. Bono, but that is a whole other issue).

[eridani]

159. Bullshit--that's what everyone said in 2000, and again in 2002

We have no idea whether we won or lost. There is no proof of fraud, but there damned well is plenty of info to solidly establish probable cause for it.

If a dead body turns up in your back yard, that fact by itself is no proof whatsoever that foul play was involved. Does this mean that no investigation should take place? That you should just get over it and move on, because it is obviously impossible to bring the dead person back to life? If the score is 100-75 with 2 minutes left in the fourth quarter, does that mean that the referees are entitled to stop calling fouls on the grounds that the outcome is pretty well determined? I am certainly glad that Senator Boxer and 32 Congresspeople thought otherwise about our possibly compromised election, and value the integrity of our voting system enough to call fouls when they see them.

[Sterling]

109. I think he may be the most uninformed DUer to ever reach 700

Bono really needs to read up on the 2k election and get caught up on the recent one as well.

[Bono71]

121. If being a conspiracy theorist makes one informed, than

we're in big trouble.

[Bouncy Ball]

135. Agreed. I'm sitting here wondering how he flew under the radar this long.

[Jazzgirl]

96. Defeatist attitude.

Your understanding is better??

[Oak2004]

113. I'm one of your "swing voters"

a former Republican now without a national party affiliation.

And your type have swung me, all right. From now on, I vote Green.

[Bouncy Ball]

134. WE Bono?

Why do you keep saying WE?

[Just Me]

30. Are you demeaning those who took a stand for democracy and

actually had the courage and passion to take a stand for "the people"?

NAW! I didn't think so.

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[Just Me]

35. Perhaps, the poster finds Schumer's degradation of fellow democrats

not only unreasonable but just plain wrong.

I perfectly understand the poster's anger. Don't you?

On edit: besides, if Cheney can say FUCK on the floor, there is nothing wrong with that word being used on a discussion board on the internet.

[Bono71]

41. I didn't say there was anything wroung with "f"...

I was amused by the anger at a fellow democrat, that's all...

I don't think Schumer demeans anyone by his statements...people are awfully touchy these days, though.

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[Bono71]

47. Yes..and it was all tongue-in-cheek or did that sail over

your tiny head?

[Mandate My Ass]

57. Aw you're something else..

It's vitriol when someone else does it and rapier wit when you do it.

Oh, and since you're editing ample evidence of your tiny head... it's spelled "gubernatorial"

[Bono71]

60. I can't spell, you busted me. n/t

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69. Actually, I kind of feel like the smartest guy in the room. n/t

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[Bono71]

93. Alright...but just remember...this dying party has won

2 presidential (really 3) elections in the last 7. That stinks. The last person to win it was a centrist not a liberal. I think the party should listen more to the middle and less from the left...

We'll see.

As for monty python...you remind me of the "lady" Sir Lancelot tried to save in the tower...

Cheers.

[Mandate My Ass]

99. Well, I'm no lady

and more importantly, nor am I a centrist. :P

thanks for telling me what you "think," now there's a sow's ear posing as a silk purse.

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[TankLV]

92. It's a hell of a lot better than yours - his at least exists.

Yours exists only in YOUR small mind.

[TankLV]

91. Don't know why - so far your posts have proven you're not smart

at ANYTHING.

You wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit you on your ass.

You have a vastly underserved opinion of yourself.

But WE know WHAT you are.

[Bono71]

94. Wow...such anger...I'll meet you at the monkey bars after school. n/t

[TankLV]

131. I've been reading your inane posts for just over a month now.

And so far, you have yet to do anything but bash others on this board.

You bring absolutely NOTHING to any discussion and your rightwing spews are soooo predictable - and pathetic.

It is very tiring listening to your tirades.

Just joined over a month ago to bash the rest of us.

You do know there is "another" site where I'm sure you'd fit right in.

We are all sure of that!

[Bouncy Ball]

136. God how in the hell did he get that many posts?

Did people forget about the alert button?

[Mandate My Ass]

95. It's so transparent

and so sad really. Can you imagine wasting so much of your time and energy over there especially if you were totally incapable of thinking your way out of a wet paper bag?

[Bono71]

97. Over where? n/t

[TankLV]

132. Yes - SOOOO Transparent, indeed.

[Dr Fate]

40. "Fellow Democrats" are not afraid to stand up to Bush/media.

He may be a Democrat on a few issues, but right now, I dont consider him to be a "fellow" one.

Sorry- I'm not making excuses nor am I giving blind loyalty to people who happen to have "Ds" behind their names.

[Dr Fate]

33. No- and I dont agree with you either.

We dont have "evidence" b/c it has not been FULLY investigated. What we do hgave are literally hundreds of examples of "glitches" and "irregularites" that occurred nation wide. Surely enough to warrant a FULL investigation to see what else happened.

If some of the "glitches" & "Irregularites" favored Kerry as you claim, then all the more reasons for hypocrite Repubs to SUPPORT and investigation. So thats no excuse.

Your argument is based on the false premise that "DEMS are doing it too, or would do it, so lets give Bush a free pass"- Bullshit.

Holding up the certification would have been a great, in-your-face, agressive way to get this issue on prime-time TV and in the papers.

But, now its dead. You watch- this issue is dead, just like the party.

[Bono71]

37. If I thought for a second that the outcome would change...

then by all means, let's go for it...(like the gubanatorial race in Washington).

However, there is no chance, even Kerry admits it. Democrats will end up looking like a bunch of whiners. I think Schumer gets it, and I agree with his thinking.

[Dr Fate]

46. Yup- and so the issue is DEAD, There will be no voting reform.

This was our chance to bring national attention to it. The fake DEMS failed- the REAL DEMS gave it a shot.

We need to stop worrying what "what we will look like" according to the GOP/media and start fighting.

"Swing Voters" like fighters and people who clearly stand up for their values, and they would come around if we stood up for a change- other wise they will stick w/ the GOP, as they have done for the past 4 years.

[Bono71]

48. Voting reform is not dead. The issue of who won or lost this

election is totally dead. It is not the time or place to hold up a valid election.

[Just Me]

52. I disagree. The timing was PERFECT!!!

Now, if we can keep the message clear and avoid getting SIDETRACKED,...the greatest benefit will be the national attention necessary to advance voting reform.

[Philly Buster]

194. I reluctantly have to agree with you

Bush will be inaugerated Jan 20, there's no way around it Constitutionally.

But that doesn't mean election reform is dead! Why do we automatically assume that just because repugs control DC all hope is lost? It isn't.

The vast majority of Americans want honest elections. We just need to frame the argument in a way that appeals to a basic American desire for honest elections.

The place to start may not be DC but in the states since Constitutionally they are supposed to determine how elections are conducted. That may not be the best solution but it may be a first step.

[Just Me]

49. One more time. Let's clarify the objective, shall we.

Today was about advancing democracy by taking a stand for "the people" (not the candidates or the parties) and protecting their vote.

Okey dokey *smile*

[Bono71]

50. That is not what it will be perceived as, in my opinion...though

I agree with a poster above that stated this was about the base and not swing votes.

[Just Me]

56. ONLY IF THE MESSAGE GETS SIDETRACKED!!

Which is THE reason I am disappointed enough to write Schumer a strong letter about his decision to diminish the actions of his colleagues today. His decision was reprehensible in view of what these brave "representatives" attempted to accomplish in the best interests of "THE PEOPLE".

*sigh*

Now, what else shall we talk about.

[Johnny Noshoes]

118. There are some New Yorkers

who know exactly what Chuck Schumer is about -- whatever is good for Chuck Schumer.


"The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and
usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who loves his country more
than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us
when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime;
he is a good citizen driven to despair."
-- H.L. Mencken

[0007]

54. Get Mrs Bono to explain it to you deary!

[Bono71]

55. She'll be pissed to know I'm on again. n/t

[Just Me]

59. *Snort*!!! Now, THAT was funny!!! n/t

[Bono71]

61. This board is like crack. n/t

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

88. And you're like a crack head.

[Bono71]

90. Man, how long did it take you to come up with that gem...maybe

you can call Comedy Central, I hear they are looking for writers. :)

[0007]

72. I am also!

[Bono71]

82. Ok...deal with it. n/t

[jmcgowanjm]

126. What do you think of Che Guevara, Bono71

Should Felix Rodriguez
have killed him?

http://www.afrocubaweb.com/felixrodriguez.htm

Felix Rodriguez had an outstanding career with CIA,
including acting as liaison officer with the Bolivian forces
who captured and executed Che Guevera.  From this he
retains Che's Rolex watch and a transcript of his
interrogation, which he likes to read on occasion to
assembled friends at his home in
Miami


http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2004/8/21/122359/855

[Bono71]

128. Yes. I don't want to discuss that. n/t

[Almost_there]

112. I think Chuck might have lost a voter in you...

Can I get you a decaf or something? Ouch.. Chuck's no friend of mine, but, considering he's my Senator, and the Sr. one from New York to boot, I've got to put up with him until something better comes along.

[Seabiscuit]

158. ...and baby elephant to the chimp

[candy331]

26. So why did she not stand with Boxer?

contrast, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., took to the Senate floor to thank Boxer for her move, saying the government needs to set higher standards for voting accuracy.

[bpilgrim]

28. Rational Republicans WANT Paper Trails, too! ---------------> mp3

http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/bbv/cspan-repub_caller-paper-trail.mp3

peace

[Name removed]

58. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Just Me]

68. You're not TRYING to be inciteful,...are you *LOL*. Ahem. eom

[GreenArrow]

71. Is Schumer stupid or something?

"No concrete real evidence of fraud"...give me a fucking break. Another do-nothing on the public dole.

[ClarkUSA]

78. He's a jackass

[quiet.american]

75. Have never liked him, still don't n/t

[ClarkUSA]

86. Write to the DSCC and tell them you won't be contributing to them anymore

because of Schumer's jackass comments. Tip: donate directly to candidates from now on and include with every donation a note to the candidate with your receipt number on what you expect from them OR ELSE.

120 Maryland Avenue,ÊNEÊÊ Washington,ÊDCÊ20002ÊÊ

202.224.2447 VoiceÊÊ
202.485.3120ÊFaxÊÊ

[e-mail] email

[quiet.american]

108. Excellent idea -- done. n/t

[rooboy]

98. I have never understood why Dems like Schumer.

He's a smarmy bastard with no genuine principles at all.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

111. i agree

[goforit]

103. I wonder, these favors to Israel are adding up.

[ally_sc]

105. why can't we all just get along...my goodness.

figures too many personalities and strong ones at that...

[Almost_there]

110. Benjamin Franklin said it briefly and eloquently...

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

This is as true today as it was 225 years ago at the signing of the Declaration of Independance. Schumer better get his head out of his butt, and this party needs to coalesce around a central figure. I don't know if Barbara Boxer is the one, I'm not as familiar with her as I should be, but, we need someone with strength, vision, and an appeal to EVERYONE in not on the Democratic Party, but, the independents out there as well, for without them, we are but 40% of the vote.

Seriously, we need a gravitational force to gently guide the various segments of the party towards a common goal, but, to do it steadily, and easily. If you yank to hard on the rudder, you might rip the damn thing off, and then we're all screwed. In here, I LOVE the fire and brimstone, in the outside world, we need Clinton's guidance and common man attitude. Schumer can take his millions and jam them up his tailpipe for all the use I have of that clown. Hold your dumb press conferences, Chucky, no one listens anyone. Guy's a gas bag.

~Almost

[TankLV]

137. Thanks for that - that quote has been running around alot in my head

lately - along with another one I just forgot while typing this - having another senior moment.

That is very applicable to our current situation.

The way some Democrats kiss bunkerboy's ass all the time and again are about to "trust" the lies spewing from Gonzalez's piehole are astounding - simply astounding.

But what I've been pleasantly surprised about is my senator Harry Reid - didn't think he could ever step up to the plate. Maybe I've "misunderestimated" him!

We shall see.

[gizmo1979]

114. What happened to

make every vote count?!

[Piperay]

115. The women Democratic Senators

got BIGGER balls than the 'girly men' male Senators. :argh: x(

[IndianaGreen]

116. Teresa Heinz and Hadassah Lieberman are head and shoulder above

their hubbies. It is too bad that the "natural born" provision in the Constitution prevents high-caliber foreign-born American women, and men, from running for President or as VP running mate.

[tsuki]

119. So Schumer is of the opinion that protesting the

disenfranchisement of Ohio voters is "aiding the terrorists." Is he a democrat or a Democrat?

Shame on you Schumer.

[Rican1]

120. To hell with Schumer and the last time I checked

Hillary voted Nay on contesting the election results. So her thanking Barbara Boxer means nothing.

[oly]

124. This is the way we are going to be fucked on SS. The boys and

girls have no balls.

[brentspeak]

125. We don't know with certainty that outright fraud took place

What we DO know is that Kenneth Blackwell tried every legal trick in the book to help the Republicans win in Ohio (ie. enforcing an arcane law concerning voter registration envelope weights). We DO know that he did absolutely nothing to make sure that many traditionally Democrat urban polling stations had enough voting machines for what he and everybody knew would be an unusually large turnout. And, of course, we DO know that Blackwell prevented observers from monitoring the Warren Cty. polls, claiming some utterly unsubstantiated "terrorist threat".

Again, we have no smoking gun. But there's plenty of smoke, and the source is clearly emanating from Ken Blackwell. I get the feeling that many Democrats are hesitant to call on Blackwell's dubious behavior (and they have a responsibility to do so) because Blackwell is African American. It's going to take more than the black Congress members and Barbara Boxer to get the ball rolling on a full investigation of Blackwell.

Schumer is technically correct; we have no concrete evidence. But he should be screaming at the top of his lungs for an investigation of Blackwell and what happened in Ohio.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

130. "Voting machines that count backward are a sign of democracy."

I want every fucking Congresscritter and Senator have to vote ay or nay on this simple description of what happened in the 2004 presidential election.

That's all. Then they have to stand by their vote when they certify the election results.

Or how about:
"Voting machines may arrive with 3000 extra votes for Bush."

THIS IS A LACK OF EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD? NO...FUCKING...WAY.

THIS IS WHAT GEORGE TENET CALLED "A SLAM-DUNK CASE."

[Arkana]

127. Where the hell has Chuck been?

Under a fucking rock? Someone email him the "evidence" he needs!

[goforit]

129. Kephra?.....Thanks for working your ass off for us all!!!

It 's time to turn over all of Washington.

Both sides are incredibally corrupt.

[Just Me]

138. You ARE the advocate for "the people", Kephra!!!

You consistently BACK all advocates for "the people"!!!

Thank you.

[Amaya]

140. It's all about image

and frankly, it's boring the FUCK outta me!
:grr:

[leesa]

141. If he hasn't seen the evidence, it's because his eyes are shut tight.

These people have betrayed our country. They are traitors.

[gort]

142. I sent this to the Senators who abandoned us.

Dear Senator:


You and John Kerry have abandoned me and the 57 million voters (those who were not black and thus had their votes counted) who tried to stop Bush from his murderous path to destroy America and all that it should stand for.

I am no longer a Democrat. I will now register as a Republican, so at least I can try to comfort myself to thinking that maybe there is such a thing as being a "Good Nazi."

Go beg for money from your corporate paymasters from now on. I'm all spent out with what little cash I could spare. Now that my hope for the future has been sold out by you and the rest of you Democrat cowards, I just can't give anymore.

[tavalon]

191. You aren't actually going to register as a Repug, are you?

Being a "Good Nazi" ain't all it's cracked up to be. Being on the winning team when the winning team is evil makes you, um, evil.

[YolandaMartinez]

143. I Called Him and Got Hung Up On

I spoke to a rude woman who said he was busy. She made a spit sound into the phone and hung up. I called back later and it sounded like an intoxicated person answered. I just hung up.

[DaDeacon]

145. He was on Fox News this morning ...

Rolling over for the repubs on air, it's a disgrace. This man needs to have his head checked and remember that little will be forgotten by the real democratic base. I fear that many in the belt way have forgotten that truth. Being REPUBLICAN LITE,will not win DEMOCRATS any offices.

[Justitia]

147. He was on one of the morning shows, saying he will vote for Gonzales

Hey Chuck, WE brought ya to the dance - remember us?

It blows my mind to see a blue state senator, especially in NY, roll over for this admin.

I'm in freakin' Texas and our dem reps are fighting daily for survival down here. They freakin' left the damn state under cloak of darkness to foil the nefarious plans of one Tom DeLay, who then sent a federal posse to OK (no safe haven for dems either) to round them up and arrest them (and their poor staffers). They were lucky to not have been shot on sight at the state line.

If our way outnumbered dems are going kicking and screaming even though they could be run out of town on a rail tomorrow, why is a high-profile senator from a safe state CAVING??? He should be knocking the shit out of this administration!

Sorry for the rant, it's just hard to be holding the line down here with no reinforcements from the Northern Calvary!

[goforit]

148. What a traitor!!!!.........To our country!!!

[adigal]

150. He is making the repubs happy

Those who voted for him, like my repub parents, are so happy with Schmucky Chucky, as Hannity calls him. Who the hell did he think were most of the voters for him? It was the Dems, nitwit Chucky! Only about 1/3 of the repubs voted for him.

Good. I am not voting for him in 6 years. I will NOT forget.

[GemMom]

151. Schumer is also pushing for McAuliffe to stay on

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1125851

Dems ask McAuliffe to remain party chair

Democratic senators reportedly at the meeting included Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Charles Schumer of New York.

[Lenape85]

153. Chuck Schumer should just become a Republican

Come 2010, if we still have a country, we should primary him out.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

154. The fact is, even if Dumbyass DID win,

He wouldn't have gotten where he did without stealing the 2000 election. The fraud of 2000 should negate any 2004 result. There should be a totally new election, and Dumbyass should be serving jail time.

[Vektor]

162. Schumer shouldn't open his mouth. n/t

[Judi Lynn]

163. I've not known enough about Schumer to grasp what he's about 'til now.

I simply assumed he was terrific, being a Democrat! Thanks to the actual Democrats who took the time to post on this thread and let the ones of us who've been occupied elsewhere who missed learning enough about the guy.

Very, very sorry to know how he's been doing business lately. Maybe it's a brain tumor! (Maybe he got an anthrax letter sent to his home! Maybe he had an overly bumpy plane ride! Sounds like he's gone over the hill, looking for Zell!)

Thanks for your comments. The Democrats' remarks were helpful.

[Minstrel Boy]

164. kick

[Pachamama]

165. He and every other so-called "Democrat" who didn't stand up and support

Boxer and stand side by side and vote "Yea" for the measure to reject the Ohio vote is in my opinion a spineless coward who has more concern over his career than a loyalty to the people who have given blood for this party and to the common person who on Nov. 2nd did not get their voices heard. Concrete evidence? There is a lot of evidence, but we need a thorough investigation...with out support and a united Democratic Party on this issue, "concrete real evidence" will never be able to be exposed...

Hillary atleast gave a great speech, but she alas didn't back her words with her action....

I am so disappointed and frankly disgusted by these so-called Democrats, I am no longer going to be a member of the Democratic Party. I switched my registration on Friday. Thursday's actions or rather inaction by the Democrats was enough for me - the exception ofcourse being the 34 brave Men & Women who courageously without concern for their careers, stood up, spoke out and didn't back down in their defense of the Constitution to which they took an oath. I'll do whatever I can to support those people...Meanwhile the Schumer's can go to hell for all I care...Maybe like in the Senate hearings for Gonzales, they can all stand in line to smile at the man who will be in charge of our Justice Dept. and kiss his ass and rubber stamp his nomination with their lips...I hold each and every one of them accountable for letting this country slip away into the hands of a one-party system led by Bush.

:grr:

[They_LIHOP]

175. I understand, but I personally wish you hadn't done that...

Why? Well, besides the obvious, there's a good chance the party will be making note of how many people left the party around this time. And will naturally assume that if it happened *around* this time, the far more major event they will be associating 'this time' with will NOT be Chucky-duck's bushkissing.

Do I need to spell out the rest of this thought? Even if you wrote a letter, nobody's going to be matching up names of people who wrote in along with the stats they gather...

Again, I understand the sentiment (very well, unfortunately), but I'm sorry you chose this time. That is all. I hope you come back :(

[Liberty Belle]

186. I hope you sent the DNC a letter to tell them why you left.

[gardenista]

166. kick for Khephra

[LibertyorDeath]

167. Kick for a Great DUer

:kick:

[susanna]

168. kick n/t

[sonias]

169. Kicking it for our DU brother Scott

Love and peace Kephra wherever you are now. If anyone can find a way to send us a message from beyond it will be you Scott.

Sonia

[IndianaGreen]

170. Kick for a good humanitarian and tireless advocate of progressive causes

May he rest in peace!

:(

[fshrink]

171. How many democrats did you see publicly protest?

Looks like "democrats", to begin with all bigwigs, did not, do not, and apparently won't, protest the violation of fundamental democratic principles in this country. The best these so-called "leaders" can do is apparently painfully poop contorted and prudent statements to the effect that "voting accuracy" should be improved. So that, on the whole, Schumer merely describes what actually happens. Chances are he was asked to do this. This whole deal is literally to puke!

[koneko]

172. Kick!

:kick:

[koneko]

173. Kick!

:kick:

[miss_kitty]

174. kick for Khephra

[They_LIHOP]

176. K for K

:kick:

for da man, Keph. We learned so much from you buddy...

[Misunderestimator]

177. kick

[Massachusetts]

178. Give us back the keys Charlie.

[Acryliccalico]

179. Kick for Khephra

[Scout]

180. kick

[jfern]

181. Someone ask Schumer why he voted for the war?

Tell that asshole we're right and he should STFU.

[renegade000]

182. kick

:cry:

[JohnLocke]

183. Khephra (nt).

[Liberty Belle]

184. Another traitorous Dem "leader."

Is this guy DLC? Did he go to the same right-wing think tank as Roemer?

Everyone, mail the DNC and your state Democratic Party to voice your outrage over these idiots. Dems need real leaders, not DINOS.

[dolstein]

185. I guess Chuck Schumer's sanity is too much for DU'ers to handle

As I read through these responses, the term "looney left" has never been more apt.

[Sleepless In NY]

188. dolstein I'll tell you what's "looney"

"looney" is suporting Schumer since he has had his lips plastered to bush's butt since 9/11. Forget about the funds promised to NY that never arrived here, Schumer sure did. Forget about the EPA under bush's direction deliberately lying to NY'ers about the safety of their air & water, Schumer sure did. Forget about planes buzzing the Statue of Liberty or people gaining illegal access to JFK by boat, Schumer sure did. Forget about Wyoming getting more funds than NY from Homeland Security, Schumer sure did. Forget the "Trifecta joke" and bush selling photos of himself on 9/11 to profit the GOP, Schumer sure did. Forget soldiers coffins being hid, while the remains of 9/11 victims were used in bush's political ads, Schumer sure did.

You know, only a "loon" would keep their mouth shut and accept all of this. And only a "loon" would be afraid not to speak up when they don't like what their "representative" is doing in hopes of changing things.

How looney is Schumer to have "forgotten" how it doesn't bother Republicans to overturn someone who was "duly elected" like Grey Davis? Or Rossi now contesting in Washington State?

Just because there is a (D) after someone's name doesn't give them a free pass. Alot of people have been forgiving and forgetting, well those days are over. Alot of us, have had enough. Schumer's butt kissing has gone too far this time. Boxer showed more guts than this "loon". Supporting blindly gets you nowhere. If we want things to change, we have to make our displeasure know.

And I am very displeased with your "loon", feel free to go join him, you both can attach your lips to bush's butt.

[Bake]

187. Kickin' it for Kheph!

:kick:

Bake

[illuminaughty]

189. kicking for Khephra

We will continue the fight Khef.

[pacifictiger]

190. maybe these guys are

saying inexplicable things because they know the fix is in and there is nothing anyone can do to change it - the corruption is so deep and broad - heaven help us all.

[Rhiannon12866]

195. I will vote for Hillary, again, despite her vote on this

But I've totally lost faith in Schumer. I saw him on "The Daily Show," just after the election. When he was asked about it, he didn't speak to the fraud and underhanded tactics, especially in Ohio, but only shrugged.:grr:

Kick for Kephra! Thanks for posting this. What will we do in LBN without you?;(

[MsMagnificent]

196. Plainly, Schumer Sucks!

I'm a Democrat, and have always been a Democrat, because it is the party who, instead of being politically expedient, are those who do the right thing

When I saw Schumer's partisan influence on the Waco debacle (one of Clinton and Reno's most serious lapses in judgement), he lost me forever.

We're not perfect, but the way to guard against future transgressions is an honest evaluation
NOT sugar-coating it because it happens to be one of our own sins, as opposed to how "they" whitewash theirs. If it's wrong, it's wrong no matter who is the perpetrator.
IMHO of course :)

[buddysmellgood]

197. Schumer needs to define fraud. There is plenty of evidence that the vote

in Ohio was not fair. It was unfair in so many ways as to constitute a fraudulent election. The Ohio electors cast their votes irregularly. It is his DUTY to contest the vote. Schumer is a feckless dweeb.

[Rhiannon12866]

200. Of course the vote in Ohio was not fair or equitable

Khephra was right on with this. Schumer has been totally out of the picture with this and I don't know if I can ever vote for him, again. Hillary spoke well during the hearing, though voted with the cowardly majority, so I am on the fence about her. *sigh* What's wrong with our representatives and why are they afraid to truly represent us?!:shrug:

Kick for Khephra!:kick:

[goobergunch]

198. Kicking for Keph.

:kick:

[stevedeshazer]

199. I hear it

You're still speaking to me. :evilgrin: