Vatican offers course in Satanism and exorcism

[emad]

Telegraph
By Elizabeth Day
(Filed: 09/01/2005)

A vatican university is to offer the first official qualification in Satanism for Roman Catholic priests in an effort to counter what it calls "a worrying increase in interest in the occult".

The school of theology at Regina Apostolorum, one of Rome's most prestigious pontifical universities, has devised a two-month course including how to carry out an exorcism, in response to warnings that half a million Italians have had contact with satanic sects.

The first series of four-hour lectures, to start next month, will cover the anthropological, theological and liturgical aspects of Satanism, and will include instruction by an exorcist within the Roman Catholic Church.

Carlo Climati, a teacher on the course, said: "In the past few years there has been a lot of interest in Satanism, and it develops because of the media. It's not that the devil is in the media, rock and roll or the internet, but that it can be damaging when used the wrong way.

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[AlbizuX]

1. how do these bogus topics even get a class?

how do you define Satanism? how do you counter it?

I can't believe that people actually waste their time worrying about whether or not there are more Satanists in this world....

[The Doctor.]

13. Actually, Satanism is not about what most people think it is...

It can be considered more the religion of competence and self-sufficiency.

Sure there are 'rituals' and 'spell', but the vast majority of Satanists do not sacrifice chickens or goats.

Human sacrifice is, of course, out of the question.

Most Satanists are embarassed by the idiots who use the religion as an excuse to commit vandalism and animal cruelty.

Hmmm.... sounds familiar, doesn't it.

The few Satanists I know are fairly nice people and very intelligent.

Anton S. Lavey wrote a few books which detail the modern philosophies of Satanism, but he is not the original authority. A megalomaniac for sure, but not a founder. His pride is barely contained in his writings, but they are a fairly succinct view of modern Satanism.

[AlbizuX]

23. ok...if that's the case...

why adopt a religion whose names IMPLIES worship of Satan, or the EVIL entity in most religions?

I mean, if it is just a pagan-style type of religion or philosophy, why tie it to Satan worship?

That's like trying to introduce a philosophy called Tyranny worship...and then say its about self-sufficiency.

[DulceDecorum]

31. Google YAZIDI or YEZIDI and see what you get.

Then come back and tell us the difference between angels and devils.

"America is our friend and America helped all of us," says Namir Kachow Hassan, a Yezidi (YEH-zuh-dee) who serves as a senior official in the Kurdistan Regional Government of northern Iraq.
No one knows how many Yezidis there are; estimates range from less than 100,000 to 600,000. Since the U.S.-led coalition toppled Hussein, Yezidis have won a seat on the town council in Mosul. They also expect to be represented on the Iraqi Governing Council, if and when that group expands and assumes political power from the Americans on June 30.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/7017-.html

[KittyWampus]

2. Occult Simply Means Hidden. Wouldn't Want The Masses To Take

their Spirituality into their own hands, now would they?

Heaven forbid the Faithful learn the Inner Meaning to the Scriptures.

It's so much easier to manipulate people by TELLING them what to think.

[leftofcool]

3. Looks like their boogeyman

is out of the closet and into the media. My, my, where do i sign up?

Left of cool

[KittyWampus]

5. Actually, During Our Kabbalistic Study Groups I Mention Advertising

as a prime example of 'Black Magic'.

Black Magic being the manipulation of others and the environment using subtle means.

Advertisers may not be fully consious of what they are doing... but there is a science to the images they use.

[leftofcool]

6. Magick has a color?

I thought "magick" just.............was/is and "intent" being either good or bad. Must depend on your POV.

Left of Cool

[KittyWampus]

10. Excellent Response!Yes, The Magician Is The Transparent Intelligence

and my understanding is it all has to do with INTENT. :)

Kephra would have loved this thread!

[The Doctor.]

20. I barely knew Khephra, but from what I've heard

we would have had a blast.

I love obscure comic books too.

Here's to ya Kheph'

:beer:

[The Doctor.]

15. Absolutely... the subtle psychological manipulations

inherent in advertising work on the same principles one could associate with mind control.

Real magic and psionic ability deal mostly with the sending, receiving, and interpretation of impressions, and the ability to process and extrapolate phenomenal amounts of information and translate those into impressions.

I forgot to mention in my earlier post (and I'm sure you might agree), that if you look at the philosophies of Satanism, you will find a striking resemblance to the habits and practices of corporate executives, politicians, even many so-called 'Christians'.

It's very amusing stuff once you have studied it.

{-evil- typo}

[leftofcool]

18. Sounds like it might be interesting

Satan=corp execs and politicians and some Christians. Yep, I think so.

Left of cool

[KittyWampus]

19. Tarot Key #15, The Devil, Is A Cipher Containing Vasts Amount Of Info

in its symbology.

The Hebrew Letter associated with The Devil is AYIN which references the Universal Principle of MIRTH :D

Yes, Boogiemen strike FEAR into the emotional life humanity and it is LAUGHTER that dries it up.

How often do Tyrants and Corporate Adverts try and make us fearful or insecure...

How often do they pander to our most primitive sense of sexuality...

This is one of my favorite topics :)

[The Doctor.]

21. "Dr. - This nail has a cranial fracture!!"

[leftofcool]

25. I am not up on my Tarot

but this sounds really interesting to me. Time for a bit of study on my part I think.

Left of cool

[Canuckistanian]

4. What the Hell is Satanism, anyways?

Pardon the pun, but isn't Satanism just a boogeyman term to represent heresies in the eyes of the church?
Forr example, Wicca has always been associated with Satanism across the centuries. In fact, Wicca does not even have a concept of Hell or even Satan, let alone worship him.
And I know that there are people who call themselves Satanists, but I don't think it's ever been codified or had a cohesive ideology behind it other than the inherent shock value to a mostly Christian society.
Sort of like a club of rebels or sociopaths or both.

[leftofcool]

7. You nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eom

[Canuckistanian]

8. Why, thank you

I've never really understood this irrational fear of something that doesn't exist.

[KittyWampus]

11. Maybe It Has Something To Do With Control & Limited Sense Of Ego.

[Nimrod]

16. That's pretty much it

At least LaVey Satanism is. They state outright they don't worship anything, and just use the term Satanism as a form of rebellion against religion in general. As I understand it, LaVey Satanism is a form of humanism.

[The Doctor.]

17. This is pretty close to the mark;

This seems to be most like the philosophy of some of the Satanists I know;

"Satan by definition, it's true definition, is the Adversary, or the Opposition. We oppose the Status quo, and the closed minded herd mentality that fuels stupidity and ignorance like a social cancer. Instead we embrace Intellect, Objectivism, Individuality, and Rational self interest.

<snip>

I'm sure you are asking yourself, "Then why the name Satanism?" The answer is quite simple. Throughout history all religions have only preached obedience and faith while Individuality, and rational thought has been condemned and called “evil”. It wasn't that long ago that the Churches attempted to ban books that provoke thought, and make people think for themselves instead of buying into the church scams and guilt trips. Satanism is quite the opposite, hence the term "Adversary" (The definition of Satan)"

http://www.the600club.com/satanism/

[Vidar]

29. Actually Wicca is a recent construct, less than 50 years old, based

mainly on ancient Celtic beliefs & nature worship. The beliefs have been around forever, but the formalization of them is recent

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[leesa]

12. The vatican once again proves itself to be completely out of touch

with reality.

[0007]

26. If the Vatican were truly wise they open a pecker shop for wayward

priest.

[CatholicEug]

27. Etc. Etc. Etc.

[0007]

28. Additional odds and ends for sure!

[Nimrod]

14. Vile Open-Mindedness come OUT!!

::laughs:: Sorry, just a joke. In my experience, Catholicism is one of the less intolerant religeons.

Actually, it could be a very interesting class to take on a purely objective level. I'd like to see how the medieval concepts of possession translate into current times. For example, I'm assuming this time around they won't be saying infections are caused by demons.

Anyway, they can go over Satanism as long as they want as far as I'm concerned. It's their church.

[bobthedrummer]

22. The Church of Satan founded by Anton Lavey was replaced by the

Temple of Set, which has a strong connection to the US military intelligence community (shades of Abu Ghraib) via Col. Michael Aquino, a former Church of Satan priest and founder of the Temple of Set who did this while listed as active duty. He was a prime mover of PSY-OPS.

Michael Aquino once invoked the "spirit" of Himmler while in Germany. Michael Aquino and his wife, Lillith, were suspects in The Presidio molestation case, they were not arrested.

Temple of Set
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/tempset.html

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id163/pg1/

Temple of Set Statement to the US Armed Forces (see Temple of Set)
http://www.nightspell.dhs.org/

Accusations of fascist ideology in Temple of Set "refuted"
http://www.necronomi.com/magic/satanism/fascist.set.txt

Psy-ops: The "Temple of Set" and mob psychology
http://www.answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=205198

The darkside is very active in the administration of The War President imo. The Vatican might want to hire Michael Aquino or other Setians for it's occult awareness program-a lot of it is right here in America.

[Carl Brennan]

24. Excellent post bob.

I've been reading some lately about the Vatican's support for Hitler in pre-WWII era. I briefly passed over something to the effect that Hitler's Nazi government was categorized as catholic. Don't quote me on that though, I'm still researching.

I'll be filing your links away.

:hi:

[Vidar]

30. I'm glad someone is taking the "evil" of Bush seriously.

"The darkside is very active in the administration of The War President imo. The Vatican might want to hire Michael Aquino or other Setians for it's occult awareness program-a lot of it is right here in America"

I've posted on this subject several times, taking off on Scott Peck's "People of the Lie", but have largely been ignored. The mass delusion of 48% of America isn't merely a matter of Rovian propaganda, effective as that may be. Bush, unlike even, Hitler, is totally lacking in intelligence, competence, or what we normally associate with charisma. He is almost the antithesis of these things as well as of the Christian values he claims to profess, yet millions follow him fervently. I'm no longer conventionally religious, but do believe in light and dark forces. Blind religious faith opens one to both. This administration obviously partakes of the dark side.

I'd be very interested in hearing more on the topic.