Many Americans refuse to concede 'stolen election'

[intheflow]

Many Americans refuse to concede 'stolen election'
On eve of Bush's inauguration, challenges continue
Sunday, January 09, 2005
Leila Atassi
(Cleveland) Plain Dealer Reporter

While a two-hour debate raged on the floors of the U.S. House and Senate over the certification of the presidential election, more than 400 activists waited outside to learn which of their leaders would join their cause.

Under an overcast sky, the Rev. Jesse Jackson told the activists - still refusing to accept the results of the November election - not to be bitter.

As he spoke, many of them wept, because for some, the anger over what they refer to as "the stolen election" is precisely what won't let them let go.

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Lawyer Ray Beckerman was so stunned that he nearly crashed his car into a light pole when he heard Sen. John Kerry was expected to concede the election.

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[stepnw1f]

1. "I Hear Their Cries"

America is being attacked by the Super-wealthy and by the ignorant who carry their message for them. We here on the East Coast have been crying and will always be there for those disenfranchised.

I believe Jesse has a very good message. We will never forget the actions of this administration and it's political clout. But in the mean time, here is a hug and my heart to those who cry.

[Jazzgirl]

2. The quote by Havey Wasserman says it all to me.

"It was short and quick, like a thief in the night," Wasserman said. "After he spent all this time and half a billion dollars to put himself forward as the candidate who would win the election for the Democratic Party, to concede less than 24 hours after the election was a complete abdication of responsibility."

This whole thing was egregious. I don't blame these people for being pissed because I know I was. It still makes me sick to think Kerry conceded so fast. I still don't understand why. :mad:

[TolstoyAndy]

7. Skull and Bones, Jazzgirl

It still makes me sick to think Kerry conceded so fast. I still don't understand why.

Kerry was taking one for his frat brother.
The loyalty of the super-wealthy to each other goes far beyond any
obligation Kerry may have felt to his party.
This was a staged election.

Doesn't make it any less painful - I held out hope, too.

[TheWraith]

18. Horseshit.

I still reject the whole Skull and Bones nonsense explaination. It's rampant tinfoilism of the worst kind, predicated on an utter disregard for the record, and it does nothing but throw a bad light on genuine issues like vote fraud.

I expect Kerry conceeded because he believed there was no way to pull off a win, and felt that any extended battle would do more damage than it could help. We may or may not feel the same, but I can see the point.

[Sterling]

21. No he is right. Kerry is a bag man for the BFEE.

Always has been. Where ever there has been a Bush crisis Kerry has always been there to help sweep it under the rug. The record makes this quite clear. I am sorry you do noy yet understand this.

[Name removed]

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[Richard Steele]

33. You+Nail+Head, sterling!

Thanks for having the BALLS to mention the FACTS!

Since I have so few posts here, I don't dare point out the OBVIOUS!

[dbt]

35. Never mind how new you are, dicksteele.

If it needs to be said, say it. Welcome to DU!

:hi:
dbt

[intheflow]

37. Hi dicksteele.

"Thanks for having the BALLS to mention the FACTS!"

Funny... those are almost the exact words I said to Michael Moore at a book signing last spring. LOL!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Piperay]

39. I'm afraid that I have to agree

I didn't want to believe it but I do now. :-(

[RoeBear]

3. In my opinion...

"Many Americans refuse to concede 'stolen election'"

...refusing to concede is silly and pointless. The more time we spend worrying about 'what' happened takes away our energy from working on what neeeds to 'be' done.

[MarianJack]

4. I Think...

...you're exactly right!

[Botany]

6. Refusing to concede is EXACTLY what needs to be done

I will go to my grave knowing and telling anybody who will listen that
this election was stolen and the man and the leadership who promised
to have "our backs" if we watched his quit on us.

Long Live the Boxer Rebellion

We can not and should not go quietly into that "Great Good Night."

From the classic (rent it!) movie Little Big Man, "It was time to go down and
look the devil in his eyes and tell him what he is."

[Earth_First]

9. "Refusing to concede is EXACTLY what needs to be done"

See: Ukrainian reaction to fraudulent elections.

[fshrink]

14. Yeah right.

Let the guy die on the sidewalk and work on healthcare reform.

[goforit]

5. 1776

[NorthernSun]

8. Demand donations back

I just sent Kerry an email demanding my $35.00 back. I think everyone should. What else does the flip-flopping wimp need the $15 million for?

His email site is at http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/contact/email.html

[Dr Fate]

20. Considering that they used "fighting for votes" as talking point...

...I think that is a good idea.

I was a DNC fundraiser, and we were told to tell people that their donations would be used to "Stop another Florida from happening" to "hire our own exit polling" and "for attorneys" and that "we will not give an inch to George Bush"...

So I would not blame you if you asked for your money back.

[DemBones DemBones]

25. We got letters and e-mails from Kerry asking for money to

use for a recount, court fight, whatever, and we gave to that, in addition to all we'd given before.

I've been grousing about that since Kerry conceded. He asked for the money and we gave it, but not to go into his own holdings or just into the DNC general fund, either.

[Amigust]

10. I agree with Mr. Beckerman

that what we need to do is relentlessly prosecute every election fraudster and in so doing, just keep exposing the fraud to the public, as was done regarding Watergate after Nixon was elected.

Election reform is NOT going to happen until an unhappy Republican electorate put enough pressure on their radical leaders to legislate it, and Democrats haven't a snowball's chance of working from the bottom up until that happens. When and how do you think that is ever going to happen in your lifetime if this fraud is not pursued relentlessly and exposed?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22ray+beckerman%22&btnG=Google+Search

[Kagemusha]

12. News flash. They don't care.

They'd rather a few laws get broken and the Radical Gay Agenda be stopped than the other way around.

[Amigust]

15. The Republican electorate is not going to be unhappy enough

to pressure for reform UNTIL they are forced to, that's obvious.

Why is it now necessary to get Republican constituents involved in the process? Because of the majority of the majority rule.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15423-2004Nov26.html

Democrats can now scream all they want, no legislation is going to get passed even if 100% of them want it IF the majority of Republicans don't also want it.

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[fshrink]

13. Many Americans and how many "leaders"?

Less than my hands' fingers.

[Career Prole]

16. Reframe! Rewrite! "Many Americans refuse to concede

election was stolen."

[ClarkUSA]

17. Very well-written...and honest reporting

thank you, Career Prole. I applaud all the activists interviewed.

[whirlygigspin]

19. If they can get exit polling right in a refugee camp in Palestine

why not then in the USA?

it stinks, plain & simply.

[fshrink]

22. 'Cause god is not with them?

Neither the idiot.

[0007]

23. I'll second that!

[MasonJar]

24. I simply cannot understand the passion on this post for railing

against Kerry and accusing him of false crimes. Shades of the Swift Boaters! It is GWB, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, Ashcroft, Powell who are the enemy, not John Kerry. So what if he is rich; he has proved himself worthy for over 40 years. Now let's get him busy on stopping Bush. And let's get busy on that ourselves. Forget Skull and Bones. Who cares what college kids do? Think about a Viet Nam war hero. Think about a man who stood up against Nixon. Think about a man who could have done anything who has instead devoted his life to making ours better. Think of an man who has a 100% rating with the environmental activists. Now think of GWB, a man who is determined to ruin our democracy, take away our rights, ruin our reputation, kill innocent people, take away social security, borrow us into an early demise, use our money to fund the advertisement of his ludicrous ideas, and rape the environment of its endangered species, its mountains, its valleys, its trees, its very essense. Put your passion where it belongs I implore you. Help me stop Bush. Help me get a paper trail for 2006. These crooks cannot win a legitimate election.

[fshrink]

26. These crooks have "won" because your leader

did not raise more than his pinky to fight against it. If THAT election was not worth fighting, I fail to see what would qualify. These crooks won easy because only a handful of good people put up a fight. With no media, minimal political support, and not a freaking single big-shot to move his/her ass. So, yeah, some frustration at these leaders seems perfectly warranted.

[DemBones DemBones]

27. Just explain to me why John Kerry asked for money for the

after-election fight and then didn't use it? We gave money just about every time he asked. We had his back. Why did he concede so quickly? Why didn't he fight? And where did our money for the post-election fight wind up?

[Strabo]

29. so disappointed...

I gave $250 to the DNC a week before the election, in addition to what I'd given earlier in the campaign. If I thought asking for its return would do any good, I would. I'm so disappointed that Kerry gave up so quickly. The GOP owns the machinery that makes our democracy run. They will not relinquish that control without a fight. Since the DNC refuses to fight, the only solution left to me is to jump ship and vote Green. At least I can have the satisfaction of having voted my conscience even as the roof crumbles and collapses on our heads.

[Amigust]

30. As long as Democrats have no definitive power in Congress, NO meaningful

electoral reform that could endanger the GOP's grip on power is going to happen, especially a truly auditable trail that is immune to tampering. You have to understand that. They're simply not going to let it happen.

I believe the only way to get real reform is to expose over and over and over the fraud that took place in this election, to the extent that the Republican electorate actually gets it and demand of their thug leaders that they reform the voting process nationwide. Without the unlikely prospect of Republican voters leaning on their Congressional leaders, NOTHING is going to happen. So how do you get Republican voters to lean? Shame them. Expose and expose and expose, probably by taking it massively to the streets, as happened during the Vietnam war.

We now have a toothless Democratic membership in Congress, folks. Forget any real reform. It's not going to happen, and lost time and opportunity will only make the problem worse. This radical gang is very adept at passing legislation and naming it the opposite of what it is. Look for that, instead, and don't fall into the trap of wasting this opportunity to expose the fraud and nurture the massive street action that is probably the only thing that can now make a difference, by focusing instead on a fight to get what will be just more delaying sham.

[Career Prole]

31. I'm with you, MJ.

I found and downloaded the Voting Rights Kit (PDF file) from the Progressive Democrats for America.

It's got all the info and materials a grassroots voting rights activist needs to get started.

My thanks to Will Pitt for linking to it in his blog at Truthout which enabled me to find it.

As Will says there, "You need to read this, put it to use, and pass it along."

:kick:

[Philly Buster]

34. John Kerry is a good man

But I'm miffed because he quit against the wishes not only of his supporters, but even John Edwards who wanted to keep fighting.

Kerry has been spending the last couple months at his fancy vacation homes and now he's traipsing around the ME.

He deserved a vacation but damn it when Congress is in session he needs to get his butt back to work for us. It's the least he can do after all the money and support we gave him.

[LittleClarkie]

38. Traipsing around the Middle East

Is part of getting his butt back to work for us.

As part of the Foreign Relations Committee, it is part of his job to know what the hell is going on in the Middle East. He's not on vacation in the Middle East. Did you think all the Senators were chained to their desks, and if they're not, then they're not "working for us?"

[chomskysright]

28. here is letter to the reporter...

January 9, 2005

Hello Ms. Atassi:

Thank you for not calling us 'conspiracy theorists' ; 'sore losers'; bush-haters.'

We are AMERICANS. If not for us, frankly, this ship would continue into the dark fog that this administration has been plotting. And yes, I use that word purposefully.

Thanks for your article.

[intheflow]

36. Nice letter. n/t

[FlemingsGhost]

40. Many of the same refuse to concede that the DLC doesn't care.

Where they gonna go ... GOP? Nope!

Better get used to grabbing your ankles, folks.