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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:21 PM
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(Indiana Governor) Daniels ends union pacts for 25,000
Immediately upon taking office, New Indiana Guv, BushThug Mitch Daniels DESTROYS collective bargaining for state employees.

NICE.

Daniels ends union pacts for 25,000
Wed Jan 12, 5:51 AM ET
 Local - Indianapolis Star
By Kevin Corcoran and Mary Beth Schneider, kevin.corcoran@indystar.com

Gov. Mitch Daniels canceled union contracts covering nearly 25,000 state workers Tuesday, saying they stood in the way of his efforts to rapidly overhaul Indiana government.


Please REC the hell out of this Yahoo story.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/krindianapolis/20050112/lo_krindianapolis/danielsendsunionpactsfor25000

And here is the full newspaper version.

http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/208764-5127-009.html

:puke:
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:23 PM
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1. welcome 1896, goodbye middle class n/t
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:26 PM
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4. Do you think this was in his platform when he was on the campaign trail?
DO these people EVER tell the truth?

fuck.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:10 PM
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32. It was probably in there but in code
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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:25 PM
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2. another typical "cheap labor" republican nt
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:26 PM
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3. Every single one of those 25,000 should IMMEDIATELY walk out.
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 03:27 PM by TahitiNut
This is a detestible abuse of authority and public trust! Shut down that whole f*cking state.
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indianablue Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:30 PM
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7. Well the law was put int by Evan Bayh when he came into office.
it was then carried over by his successor Obannon and Kernan.

Evan Bayh is a GOP light but he at least let the state employees bargain.



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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:14 PM
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34. It wasn't a law... if it was then Daniels...
wouldn't be able to rescind it by himself. It is an Executive Order.

Evan Bayh essentially had to have his arm twisted to sign the EO in 1992. He did very little to support legislation permitting collective bargaining.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:45 PM
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14. No - No - I LIVE in Indiana - Please save it!!! n/t
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:59 PM
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22. "Shut down that whole f*cking state"
I must admit when I read your post I immediately thought of a...

...sign on every "Welcome to Indiana" sign on the highways going into the state.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:21 PM
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29. I would say the same thing if I lived there (God forbid).
However, on top of saying it, I'd be out supporting it. There's not a freaking thing about collective bargaining that protects an employee who, through either misfeasance or malfeasance, jeopardizes public safety or child welfare. Attaching that fraudulent can to the union's tail is a bureaucrat's way of shifting blame. There's not a doubt in my mind that gross political mismanagement is wholly to blame for child welfare failings - that, and the failure to be fiscally responsible. It's no accident, in a Reichpublican (don't tax the wealthy!) state, that business services hum along nicely while the weakest are kicked to the curb.
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indianablue Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:58 PM
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31. I agree I work in a union shop and people get fired.
Union people get fired all the time. They get fired because they deserve to be fired not because they make to much money or are disliked.

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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:28 PM
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5. screw them 60 - 70 percent probably voted for him.
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indianablue Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:29 PM
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6. I live in Indiana..
The Indianapolis Star to day was the biggest suck up to Daniels I have ever seen. They ran pages of crap about this guy and how great he is. They showed he brings his own lunch, HIS SISTER packed for him.

This jerk worked for Bush and turned a huge surplus into a massive deficit and now he wants to do the same to Indiana. He has asked for almost everyone resignation in state government so he can install his own yes men. A former Ely Lilly executive who also stole money from IPALCO what is known as Indiana's Enron. Him and his cronies cashed out while workers where left holding the bag.

This guy is scum but of course Indiana being a freaking Red as you can get outside the south, they elected by a wide margin.
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indianablue Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:31 PM
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8. Lets Ditch Mitch.....
He arn on a platform called 'My Man Mitch'...I say nest election Democrats should run on .....'Lets Ditch Mitch'...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:16 PM
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35. Good slogan... don't forget it
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:48 PM
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44. I like "My bitch Mitch" better. It seemed more appropriate somehow.
18 months in an rv traveling around the state to hear from the "folks" out there what they needed. You can bet your ass not one of them said I want to see you do away with state employees collective bargaining rights.

He should have saved the fucking gas. Maybe a soldier or two would have been allowed to live if he woulda only conserved some of that "oil."

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:33 PM
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9. "The Blade" strikes again
http://www.indystar.com/library/factfiles/people/d/daniels_mitch/daniels.html

When George W. Bush became president in 2001, Daniels returned to Washington to serve as director of the Office of Management and Budget. Bush gave Daniels the nickname "The Blade," but the administration's tax cuts combined with an economic downturn put Daniels in the awkward position of watching a $236 billion annual surplus turn into a $400 billion deficit during his 29-month tenure.
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:33 PM
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10. It seems that hate radios new target
are (snarl sneer) state workers. One local hate spewer up here in Seattle is certain everything is all the fault of (snarl sneer) state workers. I notice how it is always state workers and not teachers, nurses, correction officers, state patrolmen, police and fire.

I expect the next four years are going to be hard on unions, and if the repubs take the next election, unions will be well on their way to being outlawed. I also wonder how many "state workers" voted for this guy and Elaine Chao (boosh).

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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:54 PM
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18. Funny thing is
Some of the most important people in charge at Logan airport on 9/11 were Republican appointees, who, it turns out, knew nothing about airports, security etc... Let's face it, patronage does happen.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:56 PM
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19. Who are you speaking of, AmandaRuth?
There are so many here in Seattle, but I hadn't heard of one of them targeting state employees. That really sucks.

They don't even know what they are talking about. Daniels made it sound like he was taking away unions because the workers hate children.

Well, if Dino Rossi had been inaugurated today instead of Gregoire, our own state workers would probably be imperiled as well.

b_b
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:47 PM
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41. dori
who i normally do not listen to, but did catch one day right after the election. He was being all puffed up snarling abouit state workers.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:16 PM
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47. I should have guessed
Hope you hadn't just finished eating.

b_b
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 09:03 PM
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46. I am a teacher and I disagree
that everything is blamed on state workers. We have been blamed for everything wrong with education for a couple decades now. Since NCLB, we have really become the bad guys, we are the reason public education is in trouble. It never has anything to do with administration, poorly funded schools, bad parenting or bad policies. It is always our fault, expecially when you are talking to a RW voucher wanting idiot.

And I am sure it is only a matter of time before nurses will be blamed for problems in the health care industry, correction officers for non-reformed convicts, cops for crime and firemen for arson.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:37 PM
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11. I don't mean to sound nasty ...
but Indiana DID go red, didn't it? This shit will only stop when people wake up and STOP VOTING AGAINST THEIR OWN SELF INTERESTS!

Note to Indiana DUers - I know you all voted "blue" ... it really sucks that you're stuck with a mess that ignorance created. :-(
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indianablue Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:40 PM
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12. Yes...Indiana..here...
Indiana has voted republican for President every years since Lyndon Johnson. The only Democrats that get elected in Indiana are GOP Lights even then they usually get beat.

GUNS......GOD....GAYS....... enoough said.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:47 PM
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16. Republican since Johnson?!
Ugh! It's like the whole state keeps getting kicked in the ass and then says, "Thank you, sir. May I have another?" I'll never understand the red-state mentality ... don't people realize that the Repubs never do anything to improve their lives or their bank accounts? :shrug:

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indianablue Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:04 PM
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24. GUNS GOD GAYS
I hate to mix gays with racism but Racism is HUGE in Indiana. It is like any other racist state,it is under th surface but right there.

It goes back for decades, Indiana was once pretty much run by the KKK back in the 1920's.

I am not saying everyone is racist of course but it is a huge problem, passed on to generation to generation.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:17 PM
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36. And DC Stephenson controlled the Republican Party back then
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:11 PM
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49. When I was stationed at Benjamin Harrison...
... it was not uncommon for the Grand Dragon of the KKK to be seen driving around in his white Cadillac, with the Klan logo on the driver's door....

As I recall, Indy proper (not the suburbs included) at the time (late-`60s) was the only city in the country where the population was 57% black and it had an all-white city council and a white mayor.

I wasn't there long enough to get into the local politics much, but from what I could see, racial repression and black poverty were abundantly in evidence.
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AFSCME girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:45 PM
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13. My heart is breaking for my
Union brothers and sisters in Indiana :cry: This sucks!!!
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:47 PM
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15. You're gonna hate me for this...
but the child welfare system here in Indiana has been HORRIFIC. I'm a social worker here. I am also a member of a teacher's union (work in a school) and am all about unions normally, but SOMETHING had to change in the child welfare system. I'm actually optimistic that this will have some positive come out of it. From what I am hearing, CPS workers will soon be better paid with smaller case loads because of some of the changes. Something HAD to change here, guys. Kids were literally dying. What had been in place for so long was not cutting it.

I can't speak for other state workers, obviously, but I'm trying to be optimistic where I can.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:51 PM
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17. Don't hate you, but you're not making sense
How taking away workers' rights to bargain is going to help save kids is beyond me.

Besides, why are you trying to spin an act of evil into something good, anyway?
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:57 PM
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20. Not saying that taking away union rights
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 03:59 PM by melnjones
in and of itself is a good thing. I'm all about unions. What I am saying is that he's at least addressing a problem here that has been ignored in this state for far FAAAR too long. One of the big reasons he is doing this to begin with is to be able to spend a larger portion of resources on the child welfare department than what has been spent. Yes, sucks for the other departments. I agree. At the same time, even though I don't agree with how he is doing it, AT LEAST he's trying to do something. I have NOT been a fan of our governors here for, well, a long time. It would be nice for a change to call in a CPS report and have someone DO something about it. I work in that field and would never apply for a job in CPS the way the system has been. The caseworkers are either saints (for working in those conditions), insane, or desperate for a job. The resulting deaths that we have seen point toward the latter.

edit- clarity
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:06 PM
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25. What If
He's lying, and your department doesn't get more money and smaller case loads, will you still praise him for "addressing the problem"?

Remember who this man worked for, his former boss lied to this country about the reason for attacking Iraq.

Before you give him any credit, at least wait to see if something tangible happens, then if it does, praise him all you want.

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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:16 PM
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26. There's truth to everything you say...
However, things can't get much worse than they already are, and there's not a damn thing I can do about it at the moment, so I'm gonna be optimistic where I can. If things go further down the crapper, well, the next election won't come soon enough.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:20 PM
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50. Well
I hope your optimism isn't misdirected. Good luck.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:10 PM
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33. he's trying to do something allright
and you think a bunch of angry employees and or scabs if the walk off will help?Blame the unions tha's what you're doing. Certainly couldn't be management.hope you don't end up in a pot hole, after all , it's not just CPS. Walk out immediately, or they are through
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:04 PM
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23. All of IN State Gov't is broken
I used to work for IN Criminal Justice and held out a tiny, tiny light of hope that a GOP governor winning in 2000 would fire all the cronies and family members and political contributors from Bayh and O'Bannon, and maybe bring in some people who had the SKILLS to do the job.

For example, my Director didn't have a college degree - but she was on Bayh's secretarial staff when he was Gov. AND SHE GOT A DIRECTORSHIP ?!? WTF ?? She turned around and purged the existing staff and hired friends from church and friends of the family who 'needed a job', again with NO experience (one woman had NEVER used a pc). Loony as a friggin' fruitcake, and intimidated as hell because I DO have a degree and practical experience with victims and policy --- she made up some shit about me being 'insubordinate' and I was fired too.

Ok, that kind of mismanagement's GOTTA stop.

However, Mitch's appointments have me worried that while they are going to purge the deadweight from staffs, they are also going to change the direction of the Mission of the various agencies, so that nobody will benefit except the contractors who suggest things and the managers who keep expenses down.

The people of Indiana are in for a world of hurt and they can't even see it.


:hippie:
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:03 PM
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39. All of Indiana is like that.
I live down here in Greene-tucky county... It's all about who you know, not what you know when it comes to ANY employment
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:21 PM
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37. Daniels and Payne will not reduce the case load or pay the workers more.
It is like a Catch 20 situation. They can't reduce the case load because they can't hire more caseworkers. No money.

They can't pay the caseworkers more money because the money is not there.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:41 PM
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40. that not what happen in Jebbie land
he outsource DCF to for profit companies.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:58 PM
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21. The Lt. Gov Kathy Davis
Was just (month ago) added to her high schools (in Massachusetts), Hall Of Fame. OUCH!

:bounce:
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:16 PM
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27. Matt Blunt, new Missouri governor
did the same thing soon as he was sworn in.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:27 PM
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30. Baby face blunt
hell, I doubt this guy knows how to wipe his ass properly, if he's not someones puppet I don't know who is.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:54 PM
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45. You beat me to it
I wonder if this is some pre-arranged RW tactic - swoop in and get rid of those damn evil union employees ASAP.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:17 PM
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28. 7 environmental officials leave in Daniels' shake-up
http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/208801-1310-009.html

In addition to sacking the union...

<snip>
Six top Indiana Department of Environmental Management administrators resigned and one was fired this week in a shake-up by Gov. Mitch Daniels, who has criticized the agency for impeding economic development.

Daniels addressed agency employees Tuesday afternoon, making it clear that his -- and their -- top priority should be to help businesses create new jobs in Indiana.

"Nowhere can a bigger difference be made more swiftly than by the people in this room," said Daniels, who has criticized the agency as being too slow and inconsistent in issuing permits to industries that pollute.
</snip>

As a federal employee, I'm glad Daniels is gone from OMB, but I sure feel bad for Indiana state employees...and god help the environment. Look what the voters have wrought. What the ??????

b_b
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:39 PM
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38. This is just the beginning. These rpigs are on a roll to put us back
into the 1800's.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:30 PM
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42. is it the radical republican agenda trickling down to the state level?
Indiana revenue (possibly $ from from Fed taxpayers, too) heading for down-sized (possibly) out-sourced (maybe) off-shored mismanaged self-aggrandizing good ol'boy private contractor-donors whose non-union, underpaid, benefit-lacking employees are told to be glad to have a job while they strive to get promoted and to get good performance reviews driven by corporate mission statements to increase return on investment for the bottom line ... profits before people???

is that what's kinda going on?













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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 08:03 PM
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43. Sickening, isn't it? Republicans hate unions because they have improved
the quality of life for so many and from a repukes view, unless you have a net worth of a million or so, you simply don't deserve to live comfortably.

This runt of a man makes me physically sick to my stomach. Why on earth so many WORKING Hoosiers backed him is beyond me. Have they forgotten that but for unions they would have no paid vacations, safety regs,health benefits, descent wages and child labor laws? Do they think any republican would give a rats ass if they lost their job due tolost time if a tragic illness befalls a family member?

Between trying to trash social security, making insurance and medicines too expensive for the average joe and busting the unions the repukes show their true agenda..making slaves out of us all.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:50 PM
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48. The land of Dickens, Hugo, & Zola
is what we're looking at. I've been telling that to people for four years now and they just gave me these "odd" glances. Well, we are fast to returning to those times where we have to beg for a few pieces of coal to keep our family from freezing, and depend on the "charity" of the master to do so.

Pauper's prisons are probably next. That will give good profitability to the private institutions who are taking over this function.
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