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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:22 PM
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Abu Ghraib abuse firms are rewarded
Abu Ghraib abuse firms are rewarded

As prison ringleader awaits sentence, defence contractors win multi-million Pentagon contracts

Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday January 16, 2005
The Observer

Two US defence contractors being sued over allegations of abuse at Abu Ghraib prison have been awarded valuable new contracts by the Pentagon, despite demands that they should be barred from any new government work.

(snip)

Despite demands by human rights groups in the US that the two companies be barred from further contracts in Iraq - where CACI alone employed almost half of all interrogators and analysts at Abu Ghraib - CACI International has been awarded a $16 million renewal of its contract. Titan, meanwhile, has been awarded a new contract worth $164m.

Despite the allegations in the internal US army report, the two companies have described the claims against them 'baseless' and as 'a malicious recitation of false statements and intentional distortions'.

(snip)

In one memo, Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee advises the legal counsel to the president, Alberto Gonzales, that 'physical pain amounting to torture must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death'. :scared:

(snip)

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1391431,00.html
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:29 PM
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1. This is perfectly consistant with Bush's other recent actions
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 09:29 PM by Jack Rabbit
Rice and Gonzales are promoted, Rumsfeld isn't fired (unfortunately, neither was Bush), and Tenet, Bremer and Franks get medals.

I guess in light of that it is fitting that CACI should get a $16 million contract.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:30 PM
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2. Anybody else got a knot in their tummy that gets tighter
with each new outrage?..just twisting and twisting

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:32 PM
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3. Yes. Seriously n/t
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:03 PM
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8. Yes.
My stomach is often in knots.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:39 PM
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4. What Abu Ghahib thingy just a few bad soldiers
lets move on here people!!!

This administration thinks its getting away with torture War and theft of Billions but everybody sees them!!!
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Tangledog Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:50 PM
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5. What is Bybee talking about?
physical pain amounting to torture must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death

I've read this four times and I still don't get it.

But whatever he was saying, a guy who wrote the above is working for the United States Government? As an Assistant Attorney General?

Yeah, my stomach is turning purple. That means I'm still alive, I think. What happens when you hit the limit of moral outrage and can't feel anything any more?

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Il_Coniglietto Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:59 PM
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6. I took it to mean
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 09:59 PM by Il_Coniglietto
that for anything to be considered torture, the pain must be like that of experiencing organ failure, death, etc.

Basically, the creep is saying that torture isn't torture unless the pain is severe enough to mimic death in (part or the whole of) the body.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:01 PM
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7. He pretty much means . . .
. . . that if it isn't the rack or the iron maiden, it isn't torture.
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:28 PM
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14. Are you sure these instruments of torture have been outlawed?
I no longer am.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:33 AM
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9. Kick.
:dem::kick:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:52 PM
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11. kick
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:24 AM
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10. Nice to know what sort of animals have infested our government. eom
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:13 PM
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12.  We're having our faces rubbed in this filth.
Bush is telling us all he's too big now to be stopped, or even slowed down. This seems like flaunting, doesn't it? From the article:
The report on the Abu Ghraib scandal implicated three civilian contractors in the abuses: Steven Stefanowicz from CACI International and John Israel and Adel Nakhla from Titan.

Stefanowicz was charged with giving orders that 'equated to physical abuse', Israel of lying under oath and Naklha of raping an Iraqi boy.

It was also alleged that CACI interrogators used dogs to scare prisoners, placed detainees in unauthorised 'stress positions' and encouraged soldiers to abuse prisoners. Titan employees, it has been alleged, hit detainees and stood by while soldiers physically abused prisoners.
(snip)
Hope to see their karmas enfold them in my lifetime.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:56 PM
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15. This is the IRAQI BOY whose shrieks were heard in the Taguba report.
This boy was held down while Titan's Employee Naklha savagely raped the ANUS of the Iraqi boy WHO BEGAN TO PITIFULLY SCREAM OUT IN PAIN.

Nice stuff no accountability whatsoever.

I would like to see Killer Kimmitt ANALLY raped on TV.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 02:23 PM
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13. Nothing good can come from "Privitizing Torture"!
Something EVIL this way comes!

Corporate secrets are protected. No accountability to the public.

Rumsfeld and the White House can claim "..murkey Chain of Command"!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:02 PM
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16. Kick for the tortured by BFEE.
:dem:
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:05 PM
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17. Hey, they gave 10 years to an EM, what the hell else should we expect.
We are NOT supposed to see stuff like this.

Shut your eyes and forget you ever read this.

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