KERRY AND BOXER VOTE NO!!!

[rodriguez94]

on the confirmation of Rice...way to go!!

[Liberty Belle]

1. 2 Dems with Spines. What about the others?

[Justitia]

2. Yea! Thanks for the news!

Now, can we get some other Dems to start acting with their conscience too????
Please???
A "no" vote doesn't hurt that bad, I promise!!!

[bemildred]

3. Props to Mr. Kerry.

Credit where credit is due.

[mr_hat]

5. What's he risking, though? Really?

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

9. With the Bush Crime Family?

Death.

More realistically, you can count on not one piece of Kerry-favored legislation making it out of committee.

[durablend]

12. What difference would it make?

They'd squash anything he proposed either way.

I don't see what they're so afraid of in voting "NO" (even if it doesn't mean much)...either we (D) are going to get pissed on (against) or stepped on (in favor of) by *co (and his minions).

[ktowntennesseedem]

21. We'll get pissed on no matter what...

May as well do what we can to make sure they get pissed off!!!

:hurts:

[Maat]

36. They can try to punish him ...

but he'll still go down in history as someone who showed 'spine.' I e-mailed Boxer and Kerry, stating that I appreciated their 'nay' vote.

[bemildred]

15. He did the right thing.

You don't shit on somebody when they do the right thing.
I climbed all over him for conceding. I can say "attaboy John" now.
It doesn't mean I'm going to giv3e him a free ride in the future.

[Sequoia]

4. Capital!

I was listening to Boxer and Condi this AM on Pacifica Raido, she was so calm and cool and Condi was getting very defensive.

[alittlelark]

6. The vote isn't till tommorrow....

[RevolutionStartsNow]

26. The committee voted today

The full Senate vote is tomorrow.

[AllyCat]

7. I'll cut Kerry some slack after this

Lets see where this goes. Thank you Mr. Kerry!

[Pachamama]

24. Me too....I just wish he had shown the same kind of sticking to his guns

regarding the election....

He and Boxer get big kudos on this one...it will be interesting to see which of the Senate confirms Condi in the full vote...I hope that the Dems (and Republicans with any integrity) realize that Condi Rice is a disaster.

What is incredible to me, is that if any other PERSON (male or female, regardless of race) had the kind of failed and questionable record that Condi Rice has, in a DEMOCRATIC administration (ie. Clinton) that person not only would have been having demands made for firing them, there would have been impeachment proceedings against the administration.

How someone like her can even be considered is shocking to me....

PS: Barack Obama voted for her? Guess that must have been the "Martin Luther King Pass" for her...sad....I actually expected him of all people to be color blind....(just got finished reading Obama's book)....

[AllyCat]

34. Obama is a freshman

Probably felt he needed to make his case in some other battles before he starts to go after the big dogs.

Might be making excuses for him too...:eyes:

Most people who support her say she is a really smart woman and it's great to see a woman of color at such a high level in the government. They are right. That's great...if only she actually knew what she was doing! She is very smart, but in general, you don't put a really smart professor of chemistry in a lecture hall to talk about poetry. They have to be smart in the field of their knowledge. Rice is not in that field.

She is utterly horrible in this position and basically just says whatever this Admin wants. She failed to protect us from harm on 9/11 knowing full well that an attack was imminent. She is not suited for this job either!

[oldtime dfl_er]

8. we should all send valentines to Barbara Boxer

because we LOVE her.


www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[Pachamama]

27. After her January 6 vote I sent her 2 dozen roses and a bunch of balloons

that said "I LOVE YOU"....

Only other time I did that was when Jeffords switched to Independent...

I do think Barbara Boxer deserves Valentines :hug:

[ginnyinWI]

10. Yes! John Kerry is a stand-up guy!!!

Now I can say "I told you so!" to all of you naysayers! Told you so!

[pinerow]

14. Sorry to burst your bubble...Kerry was one of the first to tell

Rice that she would be confirmed...Boxer never told her that...Kerry's "no" vote is more symbolic than anything else.

[andyhappy]

16. typical Kerry

its that old 'kinda-but-not-really' magic that defined the Kerry campaign from the get-go!

such a half-ass...

[MarianJack]

22. Wasn't That Just Simply Stating...

,,,the obvious?

There are 55 rethuglican senators and untold spineless democrats. If the vote in the full senate is likely to be on the order of 80-20, I don't see anything wrong about acknowledging it.

[ktowntennesseedem]

25. Exactly.

Hey, only one more post for you to reach 1000!

[MarianJack]

35. Thanks, I got there...

...by starting a movie star thread in the lounge!

[johnaries]

33. I believe he said yesterday that there was no doubt

that she would be confirmed, but that she hadn't gotten his vote yet.

[Julius Civitatus]

11. ONLY TWO???!!!!

What the heck? Where are the Democrats? Only two had the courage to walk the walk? This is embarrassing!

PS: I'll definitely cut Kerry soem slack after this.

[melissinha]

17. But did you hear Biden's reason for yes?

I know he said yes, but he did say that he was seriously disappointed in her performance at the hearing and as Security Advisor, but would cut them slack out of hope and as a gesture fo good will. Which I can respect, buit boy did he register his complaints so that it could be public record!

Yay for Boxer and Kerry!

[WI_DEM]

18. Biden's a wimp

[Freddie Stubbs]

30. Is Russ Feingold one too?

:shrug:

[high density]

20. Biden makes no sense

The Bush administration has already been cut too much slack in the last four years.

[progressiveBadger]

13. Link?

I didn't think they were finished yet.

[melissinha]

28. They are now 16/2

16 Aye
2 No

[Mizmoon]

19. Good for Us

for once.

[johnnyrocket]

23. Boxer for president! She recieved the 3rd MOST votes

After * and Kerry on November 4th.

[cascadiance]

31. Amen...

... but then we'd have to replace two Democratic senators here in California. We need to get a new Democratic Senator candidate to beat out Feinstein in the primaries. She's just not doing the job like Boxer has been doing lately to really represent the citizens and not the DLC "sponsors". Now in some ways I wish she'd run in the Gubernatorial recall election. Then we could have already had someone new in the Senate, though she would have been the person appointing her replacement until 2006.

[Nancy Waterman]

32. Biden is an idiot

All these gracious gestures and cutting of slack is what is wrong with the Democrats. They should just stick together and vote their conscience. We will see the same with Gonzales. He authored torture and still doesn't really back away from it with any gusto, yet the wusses want to be gracious and give the pres his choices. Just like they did with Ashcroft. (I do think Gonzales won't be as horrid as the Crisco Kid, but still, there is the torture to consider!)

I think Kerry will be voting more courageously from now on. He has been to hell and back trying to bend to what he thinks people want. He has nothing to lose anymore. He will never be the Dem candidate again. I wish these guys wiould grow a spine before they run.

[GiovanniC]

37. That Is One of the Biggest Deficits in the Democratic Party Right Now

We give quarter, we extend olive branches, we give peace offerings. We try to reach across the aisle and make compromises and concessions.

In return, the Republicans do none of this. They demand that everything is their way or the highway. Either you're with us or against us. They will not compromise and see no reason to.

As a result, they get their way just about every single time. And Democrats, insanely, continue to give ground to the Republicans even though all evidence and experience shows that it's futile and even counter-productive.

[durablend]

39. When the hell are "we" going to get it?

Do they have no spine, no brains, or it just a race to see who can lick *'s shoes first?

I don't get it :shrug:

[GiovanniC]

43. Robert Frost Said "A Liberal is a Man Too Broad-Minded to ...

take his own side in a quarrel."

I hate to liken today's political climate to a war, but the analogy is somewhat fitting. It's like we're in a war, and the enemy is saying, "We will not rest until all of you are dead and we have all your land!" and our response has been "Well, you certainly have a valid point there. How about if we kill off half our population and give you 70% of our land? Would that be a fair compromise?"

See, the problem is that when we try to make efforts to compromise with Republicans on certain issues, we are basically telling them that they have valid points on those issues and that we agree with them. But when they refuse to do the same, we think it will look as though they are being unreasonable, but in reality people figure, "Hey, the Democrats agree that the Republican position is reasonable, and the Republicans do not think that the Democratic position is reasonable, therefore the Republican position is probably the more reasonable of the two."

It would be nice to be in a political climate where that was not the case, because I do think that if both sides could compromise and work together that we could have solutions to problems that would better serve all of the people of this country.

[bemildred]

29. Rice Wins Backing for Senate Confirmation

WASHINGTON — The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted today to confirm Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state after two days of hearings in which she faced strenuous Democratic assaults on the Bush administration's handling of Iraq.

Pending approval by the full Senate, Rice would be the first black woman to hold the job. She was confirmed by a 16-2 vote with Democrats John Kerry of Massachusetts and Barbara Boxer of California voting no.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-011905rice_wr,0,7850796.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[Renew Deal]

38. I think Kerry has learned.

I think he has learned how to take a position and hold it. It's good for us whether he runs for president or not.

[saigon68]

40. This woman has the blood of every child killed in this war on her hands

She is an apologist for the Bush Criminals and their Corporate handlers.

I don't care if her skin color is Black, Green or Purple she is a disgraceful liar and War Criminal.

She is a disgusting piece of dog meat. Smirking like the Chimp on TV

[ClayZ]

47. War Crimes.........

http://www.ou.edu/oupd/selfarr2.htm

According to this it is our responsibility to arrest them! I have a feeling they won't arrest themselves. (grin)

"If you witness a crime, it is your civic duty to report the crime to the police.
When a crime is committed, you have the right and responsibility to make a "Citizen's Arrest".
Thus, if YOU commit a crime, it would be extremely helpful (and provide a savings of tax dollars) for you to perform a Citizen's Self-Arrest."

Can't you just visulize George at his inagural speach saying; "I am under arrest. I have a right to remain silent. Anything I say can and will be used against me in a court of law. I have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him/her present with me while I question myself. If I cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent me, if I wish one, before I question myself. If I decide to make a statement, I may stop at any time."

_________________
ClayZ

[Robert Oak]

41. Boxer, finally a demo w/ a spine n/t

[smirkymonkey]

42. OK, Kerry is off my shit list.

[Just Me]

44. I sincerely believe their wisdom & integrity will ultimately be rewarded.

n/t

[RetroLounge]

45. Kudos to those 2 Dems

Now how about some others?

RL

[Moderator]

46. Continue here

where there is a link to a news article.
Be sure to check LBN rules before posting. THey are pinned at the top of this forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1164688