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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:47 AM
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Suspected Nazi Strikes Deal to Remain
Guardian

Wednesday January 19, 2005 4:16 PM


DAYTON, Ohio (AP) - An Ohio man accused of being a Nazi concentration camp guard during World War II has agreed to give up his American citizenship if the government drops its case against him, but will be allowed to remain in the country.

Ildefonsas Bucmys, 84, would become a permanent legal alien under the deal, which must still be approved by a federal judge.

``For Mr. Bucmys, this settlement is a far better alternative than spending several more years fighting the United States government in the courts,'' said Mark Henry, one of Bucmys' attorneys.

Attorneys for Bucmys, a native of Lithuania who came to the United States in 1958, have said he was a guard at the Majdanek concentration camp near Lublin, Poland, but never harmed prisoners. Bucmys has denied seeing the gas chambers at Majdanek. He said he deserted in 1943.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4742679,00.html
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:49 AM
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1. I'm glad Justice still pursues
former Nazis. It's important.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 12:48 PM
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3. Ummm....
I think it's possible that you don't understand how Nazis became Nazis, and how foreign workers got to be impressed into Nazi service during the war against their will.

I suppose you'd urge the tracking down of the camp Capos too, eh?

People did whatever was necessary to survive back then.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:31 PM
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5. I agree with you. While i believe in accountability i am learning...
new respect for the struggles of the German people under the regime. To some of us in this country that see what is going on it is difficult to BELIEVE it has gone so far while many are still oblivious. It is not impossible to understand that by the time some (who still believe Saddam was working with Osama) understand what is happening who knows how dangerous it might be to stand against government.


>>>The New McCarthyism

by Matthew Rothschild




Donna Huanca works as a docent at the Art Car Museum, an avant-garde gallery in Houston. Around 10:30 on the morning of November 7, before she opened the museum, two men wearing suits and carrying leather portfolios came to her door.

"I told them to wait until we opened at 11:00," she recalls. "Then they pulled their badges out."

The two men were Terrence Donahue of the FBI and Steven Smith of the Secret Service.

"They said they had several reports of anti-American activity going on here and wanted to see the exhibit," she says. <<<

>>>She is a freshman at Durham Tech in North Carolina. Her name is A.J. Brown. She's gotten a scholarship from the ACLU to help her attend college. But that didn't prepare her for the knock on the door that came on October 26. "It was 5:00 on Friday, and I was getting ready for a date," she says. When she heard the knock, she opened the door. Here's her account.

"Hi, we're from the Raleigh branch of the Secret Service," two agents said.

"And they flip out their little ID cards, and I was like, 'What?'

"And they say, 'We're here because we have a report that you have un-American material in your apartment.' And I was like, 'What? No, I don't have anything like that.'

" 'Are you sure? Because we got a report that you've got a poster that's anti-American.'

"And I said no."

They asked if they could come into the apartment. "Do you have a warrant?" Brown asked. "And they said no, they didn't have a warrant, but they wanted to just come in and look around. And I said, 'Sorry, you're not coming in.' "

One of the agents told Brown, "We already know what it is. It's a poster of Bush hanging himself," she recalls. "And I said no, and she was like, 'Well, then, it's a poster with a target on Bush's head,' and I was like, nope."

The poster they seemed interested in was one that depicted Bush holding a rope, with the words: "We Hang on Your Every Word. George Bush, Wanted: 152 Dead." The poster has sketches of people being hanged, and it refers to the number who were put to death in Texas while Bush was governor, she explains.<<<

http://www.progressive.org/0901/roth0102.html

We are on our way!

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:56 PM
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7. This is the first one allowed to remain here I've seen.
In every other case I've known of, the man was returned to his home in Europe.

I'm certain, since he did nothing to harm the people in the camp, he'd be received with open arms, maybe given the key to the city, had they decided to follow the same example here.

I don't see any way to justify actual barbaric cruelty to others. The Bible wavers seem to conveniently overlook two references in their own "Good Book" which claim "your sins will find you out."

Just take his word for it? "I didn't do nothin'?" What the hell is he GOING to say?

At least they should relocate him to South Florida, where he can bask in the sun with other mass death devotees, like all the ones regurgitated by Latin American countries trying to purge themselves themselves after massive waves of U.S.(right-wing)-backed murder.

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 12:23 PM
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2. There is something seriously wrong with the first 4 words of that headline
Who's in charge in this country?

Damn it!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:21 PM
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4. self-deleted
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 01:22 PM by bobthedrummer
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:40 PM
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6. Given the headline, I thought this was about the inaugural!
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:01 PM
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8. my mom's first husband was a Lithuanian DP that hid from the Nazis
to avoid being conscripted into their army or into any service at all. He was lucky because his mother was employed by a very wealthy fellow who helped get him out of the country and to a safe haven during the war. Some weren't so lucky...many were either pushed into serving the Nazis or the Soviets...both were horrible...although according to my family the Soviets were actually worse...(that's their personal opinion since they ended up spending more time under Soviet occupation and having countless family members killed or shipped to Siberia)...
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