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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:55 PM
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WP: Cheney Upholds Power of the Presidency
Vice President Praises Bush as Strong, Decisive Leader Who Has Helped Restore Office

By Bob Woodward

Vice President Cheney said in an interview that the proper power of the presidency has finally been restored after being diminished in the wake of the Vietnam War and Watergate, and that President Bush contributed to the process by not allowing his narrow victory in the 2000 election to inhibit him during his first term.

"Even after we went through all of that, he never wanted to allow, correctly, the closeness of our election to in any way diminish the power of the presidency, lead him to make a decision that he needed to somehow trim his sails, and be less than a fully authorized, if you will, commander in chief, leader of our government, president of the United States," Cheney said in an interview last month that will be broadcast tomorrow night on "Inside the Presidency," a documentary on the History Channel.

Bush's assertiveness in the early days of his presidency, Cheney said, meant that he was able to respond decisively after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. "Faced with a whole new threat, set of challenges, you needed a strong, decisive president, and that's exactly what we had," Cheney said.

The vice president has been at the forefront of an effort by the Bush White House to promote an expansive view of presidential power by frequently invoking constitutional principle in refusing to hand over documents to Congress or allowing administration officials to testify before congressional committees.

more…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22190-2005Jan19.html
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:57 PM
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1. Shut up, Dick! Who cares what you think?
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:57 PM
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2. makes me wanna hurl.....
biggus dickus speaks
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:58 PM
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3. Sieg Heil Herr Cheney... nt
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:59 PM
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4. where's the fecking toilet ...I got to hurl!!!!!!!!!!
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:00 PM
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5. Teensy - Weensy Dick
No "man" would support invading a country and killing innocent people based on a lie.

Go find some WMD Dick...

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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:00 PM
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6. They don't get it
The more they talk about putting "Power back into the presidency" the more they make those who are paying attention realize we are right about the power grab and intentions of this bunch. If Bush does not try to run again in '08, I will be shocked.
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:15 PM
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14. My fear as well
I keep wondering if this admin will try to get around the two-term limit. It seems likely with this bunch of mobsters.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:00 PM
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7. Excuse me while I scream
::words that could get me tortured by Gonzales:::
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:01 PM
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8. Return of the Imperial Presidency or the installation of Hitler?
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Kurt Remarque Donating Member (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:02 PM
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9. have a few drinks and tell us some watergate stories, bob
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:02 PM
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10. Yes. read.
I posted this in the middle of the night. in another thread.

Crossing the Rubicon
Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney


by
Michael Kane


January 18, 2005 (FTW) - In an argument of over 600 pages and 1,000 footnotes, Crossing the Rubicon makes the case for official complicity within the U.S. government and names Dick Cheney as the prime suspect in the crimes of 9/11. Since the publication of this book (to which I had the privilege of contributing a chapter), many people have asked to hear the case against Cheney argued "short & sweet."


I will make it as short as possible, but it can never be sweet.

Means - Dick Cheney and the Secret Service: Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. (Click here for a summary of these points)



Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production reaches its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be harder to find, more expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover and control it. Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our lifetime." (Click here for a summary of these points)



Opportunity - 9/11 War Games: The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens. These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded. The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management. (Click here for a summary of these points)

full article:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simpli...
 



 
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:20 PM
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16. Your link doesn't work
the URL got cut off. Please fix.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:22 AM
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28. sorry. here it is hope it works
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

if not

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
which is main page.

SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001: THE CASE AGAINST CHENEY - by Michael Kane
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:06 PM
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11. Also Waxman's extensive report on Bush secrecy
http://democrats.reform.house.gov/features/secrecy_report/index.asp

Secrecy in the Bush Administration

Rep. Henry A. Waxman has released a comprehensive examination of secrecy in the Bush Administration. The report analyzes how the Administration has implemented each of our nation’s major open government laws. It finds that there has been a consistent pattern in the Administration’s actions: laws that are designed to promote public access to information have been undermined, while laws that authorize the government to withhold information or to operate in secret have repeatedly been expanded. The cumulative result is an unprecedented assault on the principle of open government.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:07 PM
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12. Sheesh, reads like evidence for MIHOP if I ever saw it...n/t
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:11 PM
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13. I have never used this smiley before but...I just have to now.
:puke:
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:19 PM
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15. if he's so marvelous, stop propping him up ...
... take him out of the protective bubble ... the controlled environment ... the loyaly-oath bused-in meetings with people ...

let's have, for example, weekly press conferences ... no more planted, limited questions ... move Helen Thomas back to seat 1, row 1 ...

it's all a media creation ... and, quite scary how easily they do it

is the WP camped out in the Oval Office this week ... or is Karl just faxing stuff over?

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:56 AM
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30. and that's it
the dick could never be elected, and he knows it. he's evil, and finds it too hard to maintain the facade - what's in the dark always comes to the light. however, he's still the one in charge. it's a perfect cover.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:20 PM
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17. VP of War Profiteering and Corporate Corruption speaks power to truth.
Is this the same guy who was trading with Saddam Hussein in 1999 against the US embargo?

In the old days, they used to hang traitors.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:20 PM
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18. I'm the same age as that motherfucker, but if I could get him in a dark
alley...
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:28 PM
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19. I hope Bob Woodward lives to be very old, with his faculties intact
May he deeply feel the ignominy for being little more than a latter-day Julius Streicher for the forces of hate and subjugation. Any moral capital he ever had has long since been squandered by his shameless propagandizing for this cabal. He knows full well what he has done in the name of "journalism", and he knows better; as such, he's the worst kind of hack: a hack of the soul.

Tempted by unequalled access, and guided by long-standing latent reactionary beliefs, he's sold his soul, and I hope he lives long enough to be thoroughly reviled by the public and haunted by the dead and impoverished he's helped to make.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:44 PM
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20. These people wouldn't be all that bad
if they didn't have to TALK and we didn't have to LOOK at them.

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO GO AWAY?????????????????????????
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:50 PM
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21. Cheney is a Monster
He's far more evil than most people realize.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:57 PM
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22. The Presidency has never been a dictatorship before DICK!
I would LOVE to see this creature punished to the fullest extent of the law for his treason against the US.
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:58 PM
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23. What about "limited government"...
...if all of the power in gov't is concentrated in a single person? This is another example of what conservatism really is; The belief that power is good simply by having it, that concentrated power is good. This is what conservatism conserves, power. They hate democracy, a progressive tax, liberty, distributed wealth, a free public education for all and a thousand other things that serves the powerful to the detriment of the common man. Conservatism is the dark black, it is fear, hate, ignorance and greed. Stand alone in the middle of a dark room and your Conservative instincts, bred into us when we spent our days crawling on the jungle floor, will emerge.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:41 AM
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24. He's creepy! He reminds me of Homer Simpson's Boss!
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 12:42 AM by fooj
You know...Mr. Burns! What an egomaniacal freak!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:53 AM
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25. I hope they remember this when a DEM is President!
Cheap ass dicks.

Bake
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:00 AM
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26. Aren't you all thankful that it's getting back near
the time to shove him back in the closet for another 4 years?
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:06 AM
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27. Restore the office to what?
All this sack of shit does 'officially' is come out of hiding every now and then and make stupid comments to the sheep.

We all know asshole vp is too busy with his hands up *'s a@@. That must be a full-time job.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:49 AM
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29. THE BIG DICK HAS SPOKEN
N/T
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:01 AM
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31. all power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely..
:smoke:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 07:18 AM
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32. How ironic...Cheney IS the real president
and Mister President cannot even get control or "power" over him.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 07:30 AM
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33. No… Cheney *Holds* Power of the Presidency (nt)
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Moe Levine Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 09:49 AM
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34. Cheney is on Drugs: Congress, not President, Has Power
Bush and Cheney are about to learn all about the lack of power of the President.

Bush's entire agenda is legislative and he has nothing to trade on the Hill, especially after his "budget" arrives. The phones are going to light up, all those special interests who poured in $$$ and who now face the budget cuts. Forget about it.

There are going to be a lot of orders for West Wing DVDs from the White House, as those fools look for some insights into how to deal with the Hill.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:47 AM
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35. Yep, that's Bush alright...."strongly" wrong, and "decisively" stupid! n/t
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ItsThePeopleStupid Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:13 PM
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36. he has no use for separation of powers (and distribution of power)
"Cheney said that the "low point" of presidential power occurred at the beginning of Gerald R. Ford's presidency and that "over time" it has been restored, despite such challenges as the Iran-contra investigation under President Ronald Reagan, which Cheney characterized as an attempt to "criminalize a policy difference" between the president and Congress.
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