Taliban reject talks with US: report

[DoYouEverWonder]

21 January 2005

Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar has rejected negotiations with US-led forces and the Afghan government and vowed to continue his "holy war", a statement purportedly from the radical cleric said on Thursday.

Mullah Omar, who has evaded a manhunt since his regime was ousted in late 2001 by US-led forces, was apparently referring to indications by President Hamid Karzai that Taliban footsoldiers could be offered an amnesty.

"It is astonishing that on the one hand aggressor armies have occupied our country and on the other they are talking about negotiations with Taliban," Omar said in a statement sent to the private Afghan Islamic Press.

"Taliban are not ready for any negotiations while there is even one aggressor soldier present in the sacred land of Afghanistan," Omar said in an unsigned, computer-composed fax in Pushto.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/01/21/top8.htm


Nice to see that Mullah Omar is still a free man with access to a computer and a fax machine. How many billions have we spent and how many lives have we lost trying to track this dude down? Now we are trying to 'negotiate' with him? Maybe we should have tried that before we started this war?

[radwriter0555]

1. Why the hell shouldn't he be? The US had NO right to invade Afghanistan

under ANY circumstances. Just like Iraq and soon, Iran.

He SHOULD be free, and he is entitled to protect his nation and his people from western invaders.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. I think if you

reread my comment, you will see that we both agree.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. the invasion of Afghanistan was the ONLY action taken by the U.S.

which was sanctioned by the world. We located the nest of the people who were responsible for 9/11 and we went after them. The Taliban supported bin Laden. Clinton's Administration had banned trade with the Taliban because they discovered that they were an oppressive organization. IMHO, it was Bush and his Cheney energy buddies that stirred up the hornet's nest. They did go in and tried to force trade with the Taliban in the now famous carpet of bombs negotiations and that, IMHO is what set off the firestorm. However, 9/11 was an excessive use of force which the world agreed required retaliation. Attacking Afghanistan was justified. Bush lost everything when he went to Iraq.

[radwriter0555]

7. Oh please. That's as big a load of hooey as ever existed. The taliban had

nothing to do with 911, niether did Osama Bin Laden.

There was NO justification for invading afghanistan, just a pile of lies that continues to grow to this day.

The ONLY reason for the invasion of afghanistan was that stupid silk road, to put in the trans-afghanistan oil pipeline from the "istan" countries to the Gulf, that the Taliban told the bush oil pals to sod off after.

That silk road idea is the STUPIDEST concept to ever hit the oil cos, and yet, it's still going to happen.

The Taliban is no better or worse than the now-in-place Northern Alliance, and in fact they have a far higher morality, even if a bit more rigid. Oppressive? Sure.. but why is the cultural disparity of a remote, cave dwelling sect of peoples OUR business? They're little different than the amish or the hassidic jews, a few beheadings aside... but not shocking as an ancient, archaic and remote culture. Not really any different than our electric chairs really.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. You started this thread, so you should cite a source that supports

your opinion. Show me where you find that the Taliban and bin Laden were not tightly intertwined BEFORE 9/11. That became common knowledge AFTER the attack. Even Margaret Albright stated that it was a miscalculation on our part not to recognize the inter-relationship earlier, but it was not a problem for the Clinton Administration because they had a policy in place to avoid talking to the Taliban starting around 1998. Maybe had we known, Cheney and his emissary wouldn't have recklessly gone in there demanding that the Taliban give up bin Laden BEFORE 9/11. THAT is what I suspect started the firestorm.

I think you should cite your source, because otherwise, your comments are just the kind of comments that right-wingers love to quote to show that Liberals are bleeding heart apologists.

[radwriter0555]

11. Oh just read up on some REAL history of the Taliban prior to the lies

told about them in order to blame them for 911.

You'll find no evidence that OBL perpetrated 911, and even the FBI doesn't bother to list that event as OBL being wanted in relation to.

My opinions are based on years of reading about the Taliban, 911, the history of Afghanistan and its geo-political importance in the PNAC quest for global domination of the oil supplies. You should read the pleas before Clinton's admin for him to invade Aghanistan to implement the Silk Road by Unocal, and then research the history of Laili Helm's (sound familiar) work with the Taliban.

Then we can chat about the Unocal's hosting of the Taliban on a whirl-wind tour of the USA in 2001, shortly before Powell handed them a few million (courtesy of Clinton) to step up their efforts in battling the opium trade that the Now-in-power Northern Alliance has reinstated. (The taliban had outlawed and elimated heroin production, VERY successfully)

THEN we can talk about how LOVELY life is under the Northern Alliance, now that they've reinstated Pederasty for fun and pleasure, another pastime that the Taliban had outlawed.

Links? Links to research that is a decade old on the web? No, they're not out there. They've all been replaced with oft-told lies and fables that serve the needs of the whores in the white house. Some of us started on this self-education long before 911 when we knew who was coming to power. I've said "I told you so" about thousands of issues on the bush regime, that I'm worn out. This nation and this regime are hideous, corrupt and far beyond redemption.

I'm leaving for good.

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. On the contrary. I don't see how tieing the Taliban to bin Laden

helps the White House in any way. What it does is reveal two major blunders made by the Bush White House:

(1) By following a policy of ABC (Anything But Clinton) they broke Clinton's policy of not negotiating with the Taliban and abused their power by using the military as leverage in order to force the Taliban into what was no more than a Cheney wetdream to control land that would help his Energy-meeting buddies.

(2) All the evidence pointed to bin Laden (A Saudi Arabian like most of the terrorist) and Afghanistan. Bush should have stayed there and finished the job. But he did not. He weakened our hand by pursuing a war on Iraq which not only is depleting our Army, but has also wasted the goodwill capital that 9/11 had provided us.

[radwriter0555]

16. Not ONE iota of evidence ties OBL to 911. NOTHING. The FBI doesn't

even reference the event on their most wanted website of OBL...

There was nothing in Afghanistan to start OR finish. Afghanistan was merely a penis pointing for Russia and Unocal as thanks for their support.

Bin Laden, a far more credible man than bush, denied all involvement in 911; he'd always taken credit for his attacks in the past, why chance now when the entire world was watching? That guy LOVED attention! (He's dead now BTW, since 23 December, 2001)

The bush regime hired the thugs who perped 911. To date no organization has ever taken credit for the hit.

And the bush white house isn't blundering anything. Their plans are moving right along, although the attack on Iran is a year behind schedule thanks to the democrats vehemently opposing the draft. Iran was to have been invaded last year in July.

You better read up on the PNAC. Http://www.newamericancentury.org

You're swimming downstream in the lies of the bush regime.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. I'm sorry, but you haven't provided any information to support your

position. If you will remember, there was an investigation not too long ago regarding the failure of 9/11. The Clinton staff and the Bush staff were called in to give testimony. It was open to the public, we all saw it; and the agreement was that the Taliban were protecting bin Laden. No one came on from the FBI or the CIA to dispute that.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it surprises me that you can't see that the conventional wisdom doesn't let the PNAC off the hook. If anything, it condemns it for not paying attention and for over-reaching.

[Pastiche423]

18. My eyes are blinking

my jaw has dropped, reading your posts.

Please provide all of us w/links/facts that the 9/11 investigation was anything more than dog shit.

For days, then weeks, then months following September 11, 2001, I waited for the white paper Powell promised the world to prove that OBL was the perp behind the attacks.

It never came and it never will.

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. So you're not convinced. Fine. Now that makes two of you.

I'll be posting a new thread on DU to see what other DUers believe because now my curiousity is perked.

[radwriter0555]

19. My information is provided from MY research, not SOMEONE ELSE'S opinion.

I don't rely on others to tell me what to think. I do the math. I read the various articles. I make my own conclusions.

So what if the Taliban were protecting OBL? He hasn't been accused by this nation's law enforement of any crimes relating to 911. AND he's DEAD.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/terubl.htm

Show me where the US Government implicates OBL in 911 here.

Then explain why he denied it.

Then tell me what the motive was. A real one. What reason did Bin Laden give for DOING it? He gave a VERY lengthy interview on 8 October, 2001 in which he denied planning and carrying out 911. Show me in that text or anywhere else where he explains his motives for 911.

Then follow the money. Pretend OBL doesn't exist and point me to who benefits the most from 911, and that trail leads to the White House, unles you can provide some other perpetrators and some other motive.

Every attack OBL ever made was in direct and immediate retaliation for a US action, except 911.

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. Well, you perked my interest.

Please go here and continue this debate:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2992624

[itzamirakul]

22. Forgive me for interrupting this fascinating and very

informative thread - but I must tell you that it disturbed me to see you refer to 911 as having provided "goodwill capital."

Your statement is:"He...has also wasted the goodwill capital that 911 had provided us."

Gosh, what a chilling thing to say! The idea that three thousand deaths could be morphed into a financial idea - "goodwill capital!"

That sounds so....BUSHCO!

OK, now I will keep reading the thread.... :)

[geek tragedy]

25. Wow, a pro-Taliban poster.

That's worse than being a Freeper, imo.

[DrWeird]

26. Freepers are the Taliban.

Same rhetoric. Same ideology. Same God.

[charlie]

2. Taliban? Who they?

Someone needs to up their meds, because they're talking to ghosts. GeeDub smashed those vermin, dispersed them to winds so proud Free Americans never need to worry anymore.

"As a result of the American military, the Taliban is no longer in existence."

-- Mighty Mite George Muthafuckin' Bush

[ckramer]

5. Exactly.

The fact that US wanted to talk, means something is not right.

[ckramer]

4. That also means he's confident for a victory over US in the long run

[leesa]

8. First of all, the Taliban did nothing to us, but secondly, we don't WANT

to find these people because if they are ever put on trial the truth might come out. They could catch these people in a heartbeat if they wanted too. My guess is that OBL was Bush's ally for 9-11, if OBL was involved at all.

Remember, the Taliban offered to hand OBL over for trial at least twice after 9-11, IF we provided some evidence of his involvement. We had no evidence and Bush refused the offer twice.

[DoYouEverWonder]

23. In the last four years, Ashcroft's Justice Dept

has not successfully prosecuted one single 'terrorist'. It's all a bunch of bullshit.

In the meantime, the real terrorists, like the wacko who's on the louse at the moment in FL, aren't even a concern.



David Vice, 41, a father of four, is wanted on at least two felony charges.


http://www.sptimes.com/2005/01/22/Northpinellas/Powder__packages_frig.shtml

[Solly Mack]

9. Good thing we won against the Taliban, huh?

I'm thinking of all of Shrub's speeches about ridding the Taliban

[BattyDem]

12. Didn't we crush the Taliban and render them powerless?

If this story is true, then that means our pResident ... (gulp) ... LIED to us! :eyes:

[Charlie Brown]

14. I remember how the Afghan invasion was supposed to

cut the head off of Al Quada and destroy its base of support. We were going to destroy the Taliban and put the Northern Alliance (themselves international criminals who had slaughtered innocent people) into power. Women were going to be revered by the new regime and everyone would live in peace and harmony.

I never bought into the necessity for the Afghan invasion, perceiving that it was probably exactly what Bin Laden wanted. Indeed, since we "cut the head" off Al Quada their have been been deadly bombings in Indonesia, the Philippines, the Madrid bombings, and Israelies are still blown up daily.

I maintain that it was a mistake.

[thecrow]

15. Who woulda thunk it?

The US wants to negotiate with the Taliban?
I thought King ** said "We don't negotiate with terrorists".
And don't expect Mullah Omar to come out of hiding to sit around that table and talk.

You can't make this shit up.

[Deja Q]

24. Why was the US wanting to talk at all? Here's why:

The US said the Taliban was behind 9/11, et al. * made his pretty toddwer speeches about bringing all responsible to justice.

Never mind that * openly said he didn't give a damn about OBL come March 13, 2002... x(

Why is he turning commie pinko liberal now?

He isn't. Not one damn bit.

He needs troops to go to Iran and other countries to press forward his great vision of bestowing freepon upon all the nations of this world. :eyes: And the Taliban know this too.

It's sad, the state of the world and how we got there. And so many unanswered questions (once again, why did * help OBL's family? Why did * ignore all of the pre-attack warnings that the civilized nations of the world told him about?! PNAC? Sheer stupidity? Americans deserve the truth. Not fear, tinfoil, and duct tape.)