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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:51 PM
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Soldiers ordered to hand in all photos
23 January 2005

"In a war you have to let your men retaliate," said Mick Helm, a builder who was a Queen's Lancashire Regiment lance corporal at 19 and served in Northern Ireland.

"Your job is to get prisoners and get information from them. Break them down quickly. You have to move fast and hard. We were certainly allowed to put sacks over prisoners' heads in our day. Nothing wrong with that."

Mr Helm's views may well reflect those of ordinary soldiers, but the Army will not welcome them at a time when it is battling accusations of widespread abuse. Senior officers in the QLR, stung by the regiment being identified in the fake abuse pictures published by the Daily Mirror last year, and anticipating cases such as the court martial now being held in Germany, have ordered their men to hand in all personal photographs taken in Iraq, even snaps given to their families at Christmas.

The father of a QLR man said: "It's hard to understand the panic about those pictures. We had to hand in marvellous pictures of my lad being mates with dozens of friendly Iraqi lads. The pictures actually proved that our soldiers were doing good work. I had about 50, showing them fighting on the Shatt al Arab waterway and in friendly gatherings with people they liberated."

An unrepentant Mr Helm said: "I know all about what you get from treating prisoners well. That doesn't mean you haven't got to dish it out. I think QLR morale is down because they have been changing the Army to suit the soldiers, instead of changing the soldiers to suit the Army. "

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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:54 PM
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1. Ah yes the problem is the pictures not the torture - nt
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:01 PM
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4. Destroy the evidence?
Classify the evidence as top secret?
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:00 PM
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2. Hand them over after posting them to the web
Sounds like censorship to me....

If they had done this from the start, we would have never know about Abu Gharib or Gitmo.
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RockStar Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:27 PM
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3. Wouldnt want anymore evidence of us fucking, killing Iraq's, bad for
business when your trying to take over the world!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:08 PM
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5. Welcome to DU RockStar.... now let's go take over the world!! :)
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:37 PM
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6. Pretty galling...
Helms seems oblivious to the fact that he is part of an 'illegal' invasion and occupation and NOT a war per se...

I am sure the SS thought the same thing when occupying East Europe...move fast and hard.

I am also sure that Helms would be insulted by the comparison
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:40 PM
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7. Sounds just like the IL Dept of Corrections!
After the news media released parts of a video shot in prison of and by Richard Speck. In that movie, he had sex with is cellmate, they did drugs (either smoked a joint or crack--can't remember which it was) and he showed off the breasts he'd begun to grow with the bootleg hormones he was able to get in prison. The public was horrified by it and was yelling for something to be done.

The IL Dept of Corrections outlawed video cameras in Illinois prisons the following week.

Sounds like that particular philosophy has been adopted now for Iraq.


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